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Nuno McCullough

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Join date: 28 Dec 2007

Posts: 275

07-18-2008 07:48

The problem is not the premium or no-premium is the grid stability, imagine if everyone goes premium??? do you really think that you could login? lololol it's a grid problem not a monetary issue

Lord Steadham

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Join date: 26 Mar 2007

Posts: 312

07-18-2008 08:41

From: Ripley Oxbar

Free accounts should have very limited or no privileges compared to paid accounts. This business model that allows for all but land ownership between free accounts and premium accounts is totally stupid on the part of Linden. When you consider a full third of the logged in accounts are free alts and many of these are statistics bots, I am surprised some premium member hasnt sued Linden for Breach of Contract over limited access to paid members yet.

My RL wife and I have been paid members for 2 years now and I for one will not support lindens land based economy again until they limit free account privileges well below current levels.

All these problem will be a mute issue though once the Opensim Project is in Beta by the end of the 2008 or early 2009. But until then, if linden wants SL to stay a viable service they need to address this free account privilege issue or it will kill the game.

It's moot, not mute, you necroposting kook.

Amy Stork

Way past use by date

Join date: 26 Feb 2006

Posts: 646

07-18-2008 08:49

I'm mad too! Finally I'm not alone anymore

You need to upgrade your accounts to ultra-premium, UP members get to login to the grid even when it's down altogether. UP members get an extra option in the right-click so they can boot out non-paying members whenever they like. UP members get to ride on the front of the bus with all the other UP members. UP members get to gather in special places and build big fires to burn all the players who are less fortunate than themselves and cannot afford to pay for membership.

/me rollseyes

Cherry Czervik

Came To Her Senses

Join date: 18 Feb 2006

Posts: 3,680

07-18-2008 08:51

From: Lord Steadham

It's moot, not mute, you necroposting kook.

Not if someone's muted you, then it's a moot point to the muted.

/me eyes the PC clock waiting for the magic number 17:00

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Brenda Connolly

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07-18-2008 08:52

Stop using the term racism in this discussion. It's just ridiculous. In RL, th word is overused as it is.

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Sassy Romano

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Posts: 619

07-18-2008 08:55

From: Ripley Oxbar

Free accounts should have very limited or no privileges compared to paid accounts. This business model that allows for all but land ownership between free accounts and premium accounts is totally stupid on the part of Linden.

Why? Not everyone wants to own MAINLAND which is the only real benefit that that paid account gets (and support, needed to get back inventory loss).

People who don't buy land do buy stuff in world!

It would be interesting to see the statistics of the funds spent for both premium and non. Just because you're premium doesn't mean you don't build the economy.

Amy Stork

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Join date: 26 Feb 2006

Posts: 646

07-18-2008 08:55

From: Brenda Connolly

Stop using the term racism in this discussion. It's just ridiculous. In RL, th word is overused as it is.

You're right it's not racism, but it *is* discrimination which has a much broader remit

Chris Norse

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Join date: 1 Oct 2006

Posts: 5,735

07-18-2008 09:12

From: Amy Stork

You're right it's not racism, but it *is* discrimination which has a much broader remit

Everyone discriminates every day, most of the time we don't recognize it as such. But we all discriminate.

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Amy Stork

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07-18-2008 09:15

Of course, if you have two pies and one looks much nicer than the other then you might choose the good looking pie. But does that make the other pie any less valid in it's pieness?

Chris Norse

Loud Arrogant Redneck

Join date: 1 Oct 2006

Posts: 5,735

07-18-2008 09:37

From: Amy Stork

Of course, if you have two pies and one looks much nicer than the other then you might choose the good looking pie. But does that make the other pie any less valid in it's pieness?

No, but it does mean I am less likely to bring it into my home and that I will show preference for the one I do like.

The right of free association is worthless if it does not also include the right to not associate.

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Trout Recreant

Public Enemy No. 1

Join date: 24 Jul 2007

Posts: 4,873

07-18-2008 10:16

From: Raudf Fox

I don't say Premium users.

Gah, why does it have to freaking be premium? I'm premium and I think it should be based on order of payment info, Payment Info Used gets first dibs, then Payment Info On File and then No Payment Info On File.

Actually, you know what? If the concurrency is at the level where SL starts acting up.. I'm not logging in. I'd rather not deal with a borked SL.

I agree with this. Premium, non-premium - who cares. If you want to get bots off the grid, use payment info as a resource. The plus side? Premiums and people who aren't premium but have established a willingness to buy lindens and contribute to the economy get first priority. Why is that preferable? Well, I'm not premium, but trust me, you want me to be able to log in and come to your store. I have no reservations about buying stuff. SL is my entertainment, and I think of a night goofing off with my friends in SL the way I would a night in RL goofing off with my friends. What's a RL night out going to cost? $50? $70? If I spend half of that at 265L/$ that's a minimum of 6600L in the economy in the form of tips, purchases, whatever, and it could be more than 10k.

I wish premiums would stop treating me like I'm a leech or some lesser form of life just because I'm not premium. My Visa bill pays your tier, so if you don't mind, I'd like to be able to log on.

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Trout Recreant

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Join date: 24 Jul 2007

Posts: 4,873

07-18-2008 10:19

From: Lord Steadham

It's moot, not mute, you necroposting kook.

I like you. Please stay and post more.

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Wildefire Walcott

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Posts: 2,156

07-18-2008 10:43

From: Lord Steadham

It's moot, not mute, you necroposting kook.

Win.

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I'm Mad...mad As Hell
Nuno McCullough PixelDolls' wholesaler Join date: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 275	07-18-2008 07:48 The problem is not the premium or no-premium is the grid stability, imagine if everyone goes premium??? do you really think that you could login? lololol it's a grid problem not a monetary issue
Lord Steadham Registered user Join date: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 312	07-18-2008 08:41 From: Ripley Oxbar Free accounts should have very limited or no privileges compared to paid accounts. This business model that allows for all but land ownership between free accounts and premium accounts is totally stupid on the part of Linden. When you consider a full third of the logged in accounts are free alts and many of these are statistics bots, I am surprised some premium member hasnt sued Linden for Breach of Contract over limited access to paid members yet. My RL wife and I have been paid members for 2 years now and I for one will not support lindens land based economy again until they limit free account privileges well below current levels. All these problem will be a mute issue though once the Opensim Project is in Beta by the end of the 2008 or early 2009. But until then, if linden wants SL to stay a viable service they need to address this free account privilege issue or it will kill the game. It's moot, not mute, you necroposting kook.
Amy Stork Way past use by date Join date: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 646	07-18-2008 08:49 I'm mad too! Finally I'm not alone anymore You need to upgrade your accounts to ultra-premium, UP members get to login to the grid even when it's down altogether. UP members get an extra option in the right-click so they can boot out non-paying members whenever they like. UP members get to ride on the front of the bus with all the other UP members. UP members get to gather in special places and build big fires to burn all the players who are less fortunate than themselves and cannot afford to pay for membership. /me rollseyes
Cherry Czervik Came To Her Senses Join date: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 3,680	07-18-2008 08:51 From: Lord Steadham It's moot, not mute, you necroposting kook. Not if someone's muted you, then it's a moot point to the muted. /me eyes the PC clock waiting for the magic number 17:00 _____________________ To exchange power is sublime. To steal from another ... well, what goes around comes around.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	07-18-2008 08:52 Stop using the term racism in this discussion. It's just ridiculous. In RL, th word is overused as it is. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Sassy Romano Registered User Join date: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 619	07-18-2008 08:55 From: Ripley Oxbar Free accounts should have very limited or no privileges compared to paid accounts. This business model that allows for all but land ownership between free accounts and premium accounts is totally stupid on the part of Linden. Why? Not everyone wants to own MAINLAND which is the only real benefit that that paid account gets (and support, needed to get back inventory loss). People who don't buy land do buy stuff in world! It would be interesting to see the statistics of the funds spent for both premium and non. Just because you're premium doesn't mean you don't build the economy.
Amy Stork Way past use by date Join date: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 646	07-18-2008 08:55 From: Brenda Connolly Stop using the term racism in this discussion. It's just ridiculous. In RL, th word is overused as it is. You're right it's not racism, but it is discrimination which has a much broader remit
Chris Norse Loud Arrogant Redneck Join date: 1 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,735	07-18-2008 09:12 From: Amy Stork You're right it's not racism, but it is discrimination which has a much broader remit Everyone discriminates every day, most of the time we don't recognize it as such. But we all discriminate. _____________________ I'm going to pick a fight William Wallace, Braveheart “Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind” Douglas MacArthur FULL
Amy Stork Way past use by date Join date: 26 Feb 2006 Posts: 646	07-18-2008 09:15 Of course, if you have two pies and one looks much nicer than the other then you might choose the good looking pie. But does that make the other pie any less valid in it's pieness?
Chris Norse Loud Arrogant Redneck Join date: 1 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,735	07-18-2008 09:37 From: Amy Stork Of course, if you have two pies and one looks much nicer than the other then you might choose the good looking pie. But does that make the other pie any less valid in it's pieness? No, but it does mean I am less likely to bring it into my home and that I will show preference for the one I do like. The right of free association is worthless if it does not also include the right to not associate. _____________________ I'm going to pick a fight William Wallace, Braveheart “Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind” Douglas MacArthur FULL
Trout Recreant Public Enemy No. 1 Join date: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 4,873	07-18-2008 10:16 From: Raudf Fox I don't say Premium users. Gah, why does it have to freaking be premium? I'm premium and I think it should be based on order of payment info, Payment Info Used gets first dibs, then Payment Info On File and then No Payment Info On File. Actually, you know what? If the concurrency is at the level where SL starts acting up.. I'm not logging in. I'd rather not deal with a borked SL. I agree with this. Premium, non-premium - who cares. If you want to get bots off the grid, use payment info as a resource. The plus side? Premiums and people who aren't premium but have established a willingness to buy lindens and contribute to the economy get first priority. Why is that preferable? Well, I'm not premium, but trust me, you want me to be able to log in and come to your store. I have no reservations about buying stuff. SL is my entertainment, and I think of a night goofing off with my friends in SL the way I would a night in RL goofing off with my friends. What's a RL night out going to cost? $50? $70? If I spend half of that at 265L/$ that's a minimum of 6600L in the economy in the form of tips, purchases, whatever, and it could be more than 10k. I wish premiums would stop treating me like I'm a leech or some lesser form of life just because I'm not premium. My Visa bill pays your tier, so if you don't mind, I'd like to be able to log on. _____________________ From: Jerboa Haystack A Trout Rating (tm) is something to cherish. To flaunt and be proud of. It is something all women should aspire to obtain!
Trout Recreant Public Enemy No. 1 Join date: 24 Jul 2007 Posts: 4,873	07-18-2008 10:19 From: Lord Steadham It's moot, not mute, you necroposting kook. I like you. Please stay and post more. _____________________ From: Jerboa Haystack A Trout Rating (tm) is something to cherish. To flaunt and be proud of. It is something all women should aspire to obtain!
Wildefire Walcott Heartbreaking Join date: 8 Nov 2005 Posts: 2,156	07-18-2008 10:43 From: Lord Steadham It's moot, not mute, you necroposting kook. Win. _____________________ Desperation Isle Estates: Great prices, great neighbors, great service! http://desperationisle.blogspot.com/ New Desperation Isle: The prettiest BDSM Playground and Fetish Mall in SL! http://desperationisle.com/ Desperation Isle Productions: Skyboxes for lots (and budgets) of all sizes!

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