How do you deal with your nasty neighbors?

How do you deal with your nasty neighbors?
For those of us who can't go buy entire sim or Island it seems like we
don't get much choice in our neighbors.
This area I lived for really long time has changed for the worse, much
worse.
If I am forced to sale I am thinking about quitting SL all together
because there isn't place you can own unless its island that is
through LL without some one moving in and causing problems
or stealing all or majority of the fps and resources of the sim if you have to share.
I am getting fed up with it.
I own little under 1/4 I hadn't plan to sell.
My friend is thinking about moving too who owns the other sim.
Why does land ownership in SL's mainland suck so bad?
I am paying but it seems to be bit pointless.
I don't want to rent from a another resident.
So I guess maybe SL is only for those who can own several sims and islands

Maybe if you elaborated on what's going on with your neighbors, we might be able to help you with some solutions to your problem.

I lived in this area for long time with my friends over a year.
I got one friend with sim in one area the other had most of sim in another spot
I had around 13000m in land.
One friend had hardship had to sell the land to land trader.
The land trader bought it sold it to this RP group of furries and proceeded to use
big ugly black cement walls on everything fencing certain areas off on the very edge of property line, totally blocking their neighbors off, who knows what to generate more lag to turn it into combat zone.
Then one informed friend who has tiny 512m lot next to my land it was mistake if
she refuse to sell and things would be difficult for her, she is literally walled in with 3 walls
and is building on my land which I don't mind and offered to give her another lot.
And he informed her he was going buy my land.
It isn't for sell, I relocated to be closer to my friends sims.
No matter where I move I am going to deal with this on mainland.
If my friend on the other side sells, I am going to be surround by who knows.
I don't care if they think what they are building is cool, ugly,etc and they can do what they
want on their land but if they wanted entire sim why didn't they just buy one
why do they have to move in and make things difficult for anyone who was there first?
Why do people who can afford all the land that I have have to decide they want it all when
they could have just gotten entire sim of their own in first place? It isn't like their
isn't sims for sale on mainland.

One option: With that amount of land, you can make a pretty big sky platform that needn't feel like a box. It'll be flat (damned sculpty collision box!) and won't be the same as the ground, but it's a great place to work because client-side lag is just non-existent above 500m or so.

You could hang out up there till the ground gets tolerable again. Most new owners come and go quickly, and the faster they try to expand, the sooner they'll either implode or convince themselves that they need their own sim.

On the other hand, if they're eating too much of the frame time with combat physics or something--that is, if the sim itself is suffering time dilation or low sim-side FPS--then you're screwed. If it's bad enough, you can ask the Lindens to come out and investigate; if they start returning laggy stuff to the new folks, it may help speed them on their way to their own sim.

I am up above mainly but I have friends who live below.
I lived long enough on mainland to know living ground level is intolerable.
But I am concerned about my friends who share lot who build at ground level.
What happens when they decide to put black boxes all way up to 4000m where is
the only place I get 10 fps? Lower areas to group level is 7 to 3 fps on my computer
friends with higher get little higher then me but I don't. They only used 3500 or so prims
but with all the additional mega prims plus mine that I have sky platforms its getting a mess.
It is going to get worse when they use up every prim, every resource with their role play
builds and stores, their furry costumes.
They came to land to get away from griefers but what they are doing in my opinion is
to equivalent to grieving but it sanctioned.
I don't care that they are building ugly things I am use to that being in mainland.
Everyone has different taste what gets to me is they are moving in and expecting
everyone to sell and they get to take over, don't seem to care how their builds are boxing
others out.

Wow. There's a lot of draw-distance-separations between the clouds and 4096m... I honestly didn't know anywhere was getting crowded at all altitudes already.

The bullying to get people to move is a problem. If nobody caves, then the newcomers will soon get frustrated and move on themselves, but if people start selling, they'll get the idea that it's working, and it could be a long, hard-fought battle to convince them otherwise.

The one thing you surely do *not* want to do is to sell out now and wait before buying back in to Mainland. I really can't imagine LL letting Mainland prices go much further downhill, and eventually they're likely to cycle up again, so selling low and buying high is a risk.

It's really a tremendous pain that one can't buy standalone OpenSpace sims. It sounds as if you and the "good neighbors" could be very happy on one, but like you, I could never quite bring myself to rent the space I'm using for my main tinkering spot.

As we all know, Mainland has its pros and cons, and resource sharing is always going to be difficult. I'm sorry you've hit a rough patch now.

I recently moved up to 1000m after someone moved in next to me and built this:



Note that they have a sculpty n00b instead of an actual bot or camper! And believe me, that picture doesn't do justice to the misaligned, full-bright, badly textured, z-fluttering horror of the build.

The area was never perfect, but it was better than a lot of mainland. The rot started to set in as land prices fell. Rather than weathering the storm, neighbours started selling up. A neighbour who owned a large amount of the sim had previously been interested in buying up as much as possible: she told me she wanted to keep it looking as nice as she could. Next thing I know she had parcels up for sale, and sold a 40 x 4m strip next to mine - obviously useless for anything but the billboards which inevitably appeared. I was lucky and that piece came up for sale at a relatively low price, so I was able to snap it up and turn it over to the Arbor Project.

So yeah, I deal with my nasty neighbours by... running away from them. Heading for the stratosphere isn't a perfect solution, but it might be the only one. If the land griefers want to follow you up there, it can be as much hassle for them, and if they have builds they want to keep at ground level, they may not want to use the extra prims to box you out in the sky.

FD, I Know moving is a pain in the arse. But maybe you can find a private island that offers group only access to the estate. They can give you guys access to group abilities to ad your friends.. Might be a good option for you. I would hope someone out there does that for some of their islands. Would be a great marketing idea for moving land.
Would hate to see anyone leave just because of a bunch of loons on main land. I ran into the same problem back in 2006, then I discovered private islands. and moved quicly lol. I didn't even care if I took a loss on the property. I sold cheap and got out quick. Was worth the loss that's for sure..
Good luck i hope you get things worked out
I know after getting off main land, I had no more problems like that .

I know the cons and pros of Mainland, I guess wish it was managed better so
whomever with little bit more dollars can take over do whatever.
I guess money means you can do whatever even here.
I have thought long hard if I could figure it out to go just on some stand alone sim
because it just no way to deal with how things are managed sometimes in mainland.
It great if you can afford big enough space manage the resources carefully but
most often that just not possible.
Any way thanks.
I know everyone on mainland deals with neighbors, good, bad, the ugly and the
greedy threatening types.

I differ with Qie on selling. If someone wants the land enough, you and the others can sell comparitively high and buy low somewhere else.

For a lot of people, it seems, creativity in SL equals BBBB (big, bright & badly built!)
When I was new premium and I built gaudy stuff, I only had about 128 sq metres to play with, so my bright and badly stuff built wasn't big!! Plus the fact that I actually lived on an ad farm where a neighbouring landowner had put up a huge rusty screen wall!

Oh, actually I don't necessarily disagree with that if it can be coordinated with everybody, but if somebody gets left behind, they could get hounded even more. (Or possibly get an extra premium offer, if they're lucky.)

The "high/low" thing I was worried about is that selling Mainland at the bottom of the market is fine if you buy right back in at the bottom. Waiting around is the risk.

I know that buying a parcel from an estate owner has earned a bad reputation in this forum because of some unscrupulous island owners. But the last time I got fed up with neighbors, I looked hard for an estate owner I could trust AND who enforces the covenant. I've been in my present location since January 2008 with residential and commercial parcels. I have had very few problems, and all problems were dealt with quickly and fairly.

This probably isn't the place to recommend a specific estate owner -- I don't want to hijack the thread. But FD, there are several with good reputations, and it sounds like you're looking for the same kind of solution I needed several months ago.

The land or part of is my gallery and shop space, other part is a friends who
I had to turn it to group access only because people were stopping by pestering
friend and even blocking doors, changing his television some how even though we got no scripts, no build,etc off for non-members.
My other friend who lives there really wants to build on ground level doesn't
like sky boxes or building in sky.
Selling isn't option for me unless my friend moves or I want to go strictly to OpenLife, quit paying for land in SL because any where in SL there is going to be some land problems it seems.
I know a few land owners who rent are good like Inc, Sarah, the place Jojogirl manages but I don't want to rent from them I don't want to be stuck in crowded lot or paying tons for space to someone else's tier with little protection or control over how I want
to do my own land be it commercial or non-commercial, group run,etc.
I could go back to West Haven and rent 512m plot in West Haven for 350L a week
from Sarah that build whatever I wanted, it still unrented from last time I checked 4 days
ago that I had small shop during summer time.
But I don't have deal with certain things when I am not renting, I don't want too.
Renting there so few protections and land management controls often.
Also my friends donate tier so I have opportunity to spend less then I would if I rented for
same amount of land.
I can live with ugly buildings around the lot it just bugs me when someone has
to put big mega prims to edge painted black, I could understand mega prim trees or
something but are really protecting their privacy with black boxes in place
that anyone who can increase Draw distance and camera can zoom through the boxes?
They actually believe they protecting their privacy probably.
It just irks me how greedy and selfish some people are they own part of it so they assume now they get all of it.
I just want to keep to my lonesome and to few friends create, have fun and may have gallery space of my own to share with few friends.
I truly wish I could bought the rest of Huin but I couldn't.
Good news they are Furries fleeing griefers so who knows when we will be
hit by their enemies from one who talked them.
The new neighbors might be all from same group of role players but it
sure seems like.
What worse a griefer can do to land when object entry, scripts, fly, and basic
land permissions are off to non group members?
I am asking just for my own protection if PN or some other Furry hating griefer
group decides to stop by.

some people just love to harass people and force them out..
it's like a game to some .so their tactics are to make you want to move and not to be a good neighbor..
SL is a big world..more like a huge basket of mixed nuts and nut crackers..if it were the real world you would have to get a bigger set of crackers but it's SL and it comes down to..do you want to be frustrated when you come on SL or do you want to enjoy it??
it just depends on you and if you feel it is worth standing your ground and never selling and just ignoring them or moving to a better place..
you have the ability to make walls too and you can put anything you like on them..
what SL needs is rules about eye sores like 200 meter walls put on landlines with crap textures..
they should be made to be transparent on the oposite side of the owners after so high..

Luckily I have been lucky with certain unpleasantness this last year personally
I will guess I will see what happens and mind my own land, ignore what they are doing for the moment.
I just wish there was a better way to deal with BS that goes with mainland, their
was actual way to improve how it is used, people were good neighbors,etc.
but I guess I was new I had some pretty tall and ugly towers.

i stay away from mainland myself as much as i can..so i understand what you are saying..mine is more of a lag issue that anything when i go there..

Lag I got issues regardless of where ever I am especially when the Sim owner
has decided to use over 50 percent of prim resources or more,
tons of animated objects, particles and every thing else one could rezz,
add flexible hair, skirts, bling, other various prim attachments I am struggling
if I am lucky with fps is 2 if more then 3 people are in sim like that.
Most people think oh I got blank amount prims I can use every single
one no problem, I guess its no problem if you got state of art, high
end computer with super fast isp, for people forced to use older computers
that are less powerful it is big issue.
Not everyone can afford new computer every two years or less.

Speaking from experience (I know folks remember my neighbor story), jes wait them out. Show a united front an give 'em the idea that no, ya'll are not going anywhere.

FD you have always seamed resanable to me. so i'll tip you off in case you do deside to move

jeogeot is mostly empty Mao has most of the valley floor sitting for sale at a resonable price if outwaiting them becoumes a none option look around that area. using the sell high idea posted here you could get a nice place to live that both of you can live side by side

Are those two sims next to each other?

jeogeot is the continted
Mao a sim name,in jeogeot, that runs down the valley, there use to be a few castles that sat on the bluffs there but i think only one remains that whole aera is mostly yellow on the map

gosh FD, i've only really ever had one bad experience. i ignored them, and i just moved because i don't want the negative experience. i've been very happy where i am now.

i hope you can find resolution. *hugs*

jeogeot isn`t showing on the map and moa is a private island

FD, if you need some quiet lag free space to build things while riding it out, your welcome to use my land at "Sensual Estate", void sim but got a few prims left and a giant idiot ban hammer for it to remain quiet

I have to agree with Marianne on the wait them out advice. Most places like that will last a few months and then move on.

You and your friends should just mute the bad neighbor and go about your business. If they are using an unreasonable amount of sim resources, there is an abuse category for that in the new viewer.

Whatever you do, do not retaliate or give the bad neighbor any excuse to file an AR on you.