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Oryx Tempel
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10-19-2007 12:13
From: Isablan Neva
Actually, it is considerably less. I did my own 501c3 for my organization. Costs broke out as follows:

$20 E-book "Prepare Your Own 501c3 Application"
$30 State fee to file as Non-Profit Corp
$40 Corporate Kit
$150 IRS Filing Fee

It was a lot of work, but was able to complete all steps myself.

Not only that, but there are corporate lawyers who are willing to do pro-bono work in helping to set up 501(c)3 companies. One of my buddies is actually required by his firm to do a few hours of pro-bono work every month, and he sets up non-profits for free.
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Carl Metropolitan
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10-19-2007 12:18
From: Isablan Neva
Actually, it is considerably less. I did my own 501c3 for my organization. Costs broke out as follows:

$20 E-book "Prepare Your Own 501c3 Application"
$30 State fee to file as Non-Profit Corp
$40 Corporate Kit
$150 IRS Filing Fee

It was a lot of work, but was able to complete all steps myself.


Perhaps the costs have gone up. When I last checked (in August) it was a 750US$ IRS filing fee.
Carl Metropolitan
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10-19-2007 12:19
From: Michael Bigwig
I love NCI. You guys have a nice setup. Good people involved. I check out classes from time to time. I also enjoy the modeling Pictionary game...


Thanks for the kind words, but the Primatory game is not us. That's ASL (Academy of Second Learning). We do have Show & Tells and Blitz Building competitions, though.
Marcel Flatley
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10-19-2007 12:21
Brenda, I did not mean to imply we need higher tiers, since I think its expensive enough as it is :) What i ment is that from the tier we already bring in alltogether, a little slack must be left to take care of community property like parks :)

On the other hand I did not think of the tip jars, as long as they do their job, the parcel should indeed pay for itself. Oryx made a very good point there :) Indeed Lindens would have to control who is entitled to the discount, which would not be a very good idea. So okay, back to the drawing table for now!
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10-19-2007 12:24
From: Michael Bigwig
I love NCI. You guys have a nice setup. Good people involved. I check out classes from time to time. I also enjoy the modeling Pictionary game...


Oh yes, I than God for your dressing rooms for the first month I was here.
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10-19-2007 12:30
From: Brenda Connolly
Oh yes, I than God for your dressing rooms for the first month I was here.

I just changed in public, and I still got a 5 rating.
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Isablan Neva
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10-19-2007 12:32
From: Carl Metropolitan
Perhaps the costs have gone up. When I last checked (in August) it was a 750US$ IRS filing fee.


It has gone up, but only to $300 (which is still a lot, I filed in 2004 so it has doubled since then.)

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8718.pdf

It is $750 if your receipts are over 10k.....
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Brenda Connolly
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10-19-2007 12:33
From: Lexxi Gynoid
I just changed in public, and I still got a 5 rating.


Try someplace besides Help Island next time, dear.
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Michael Bigwig
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10-19-2007 12:35
From: Carl Metropolitan
Thanks for the kind words, but the Primatory game is not us. That's ASL (Academy of Second Learning). We do have Show & Tells and Blitz Building competitions, though.


Ah right...of course. Yes. I also go to the show and tells...the 'olbies' one of course. I showed up to the 'newbies' one the first time I went to one...showed an object, they deleted it right away and I misunderstood, got flustered, and left.

It was a little embarrassing. :) I go to the oldies ones now at the big top.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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10-19-2007 12:35
From: Brenda Connolly
Try someplace besides Help Island next time, dear.

Oh, I never changed there. Heck, I didn't spend any time there. I was changing in clubs, and parking lots, and stores, and at theme parks.
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10-19-2007 12:38
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Oh, I never changed there. Heck, I didn't spend any time there. I was changing in clubs, and parking lots, and stores, and at theme parks.

I mean in Second Life, hon. :p
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Lexxi Gynoid
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10-19-2007 12:48
From: Brenda Connolly
I mean in Second Life, hon. :p

Oh, right. Well in Second Life I always hide in plain sight.
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10-19-2007 12:50
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Oh, right. Well in Second Life I always hide in plain sight.


Hide in plain sight? Ummm...:) Is that like having your eyes wide shut?
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Lexxi Gynoid
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10-19-2007 12:51
From: Michael Bigwig
Hide in plain sight? Ummm...:) Is that like having your eyes wide shut?

Yes. As in I always closed my eyes and changed in public. If I couldn't see them, they couldn't see me.
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Carl Metropolitan
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10-19-2007 12:59
From: Isablan Neva
It has gone up, but only to $300 (which is still a lot, I filed in 2004 so it has doubled since then.)

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8718.pdf

It is $750 if your receipts are over 10k.....


My reading of the regulation in i1023 is that the law requires NCI to count L$ receipts and tier donations according to their US$ value, which puts NCI would be in the 750US$ filing fee range. But I would want to talk to a lawyer to be certain of how to proceed. I check into the pro bono option. That was a good idea from Oryx.
Wilhelm Neumann
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10-19-2007 16:52
From: Susie Boffin
Forget it! I was commenting on the commercialisation, or however you spell it, of SL but I think I was too obtuse. :eek:


well actually in "real life" even national federal thingies have little tourist shops etc so there is always commercialism going to be around to a point in anything. Basically people need to raise money. I dont like malls as in the ones that look like a mall and I dont go to them often. I dont mind the mix eg: some guy has an island that is set up to be a zoo but in that zoo he has an area where you can buy zoo animals. This makes sense from a point most points of view. If you go to say the smithsonian institute there is a shop well shops actually. Most zoo's I have been to have an area wher eyou can buy stuff elephants and the like.

I would think a farm in order to raise a bit of cash to pay tier might sell some farm animals in a small kiosk somewhere. I really dont see how you can have a totally non commercial place because of the overhead unless you have 4096 of land or something and build a house on it or something. The costs are just to high to own half a sim and build a farm and not try to make a bit of cash off of the creations in one corner of it.

the 30 foot wall things are malls however to be fair there is a bit of commericalism in most things in SL as in real life unless its a private house :)
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