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Freebie store is allowed by LL ???

Beezle Warburton
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08-20-2007 10:32
From: 3Ring Binder
the OP has the freebie store, and someone made a store of the same items, but is charging money for them (the freebies). the freebie store owner is also the sim owner. she has been advised to evict the charging store owner, and ban him.

Manstan is opposed to the term "hippie" being used as a derogatory label. i always thought a hippie was a long haired dope smoking liberal, therefore a griefer. how that relates to the OP or Manstan is beyond my knowledge, and how they each intreprest the definition of a hippie clearly differs, and has not been explained, but has caused a skewing of the thread subject and introduced a certain level of potential entertainment for us looky-loos.

okay, i think we are all caught up. :p

(edit: Meade beat me to the punch)


Far out, man.
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Rafaella Schumann
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08-20-2007 10:36
From: someone
I think by giving away the stuff from the business in a box, you are ruining the business of everyone who was using that BiaB to set up a business.


You are right...Buuuttt ?? Well...PPls that's buy BIB is subject to it.
If I aquired a BIB with full permission, it means that I bought rights.So, if I don't wanna win money with it..It's my right too.In other words: I Bought the right to do whatever I wannt.
And in my opinion: Wanna set up a business ? Life is not easy ! So, SL neither ! There is no such easy money in any life !

From: someone

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Ring Binder
there are at least 5 great freebie spots already. why do we need the same stuff, at a different location?


To attract traffic, I guess


You are right !

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And I do understand: you bought a business-in-a-box and now your business is challenged by somebody who did the same, but is giving the items away. This is one of the many reasons that a business-in-a-box package is simply a bad way to start a business here in SL. Your best bet is to create some items yourself, and start with a small store.


No, I got severla BIB and I created a FreeBie Mall.But someone open a little store in front of the shopping with the same products that I give for free, but chargins something for it.Just to:

- Tell to LL later that the guy didn't sell anything because my Freebie Mall screwed his little store.
- Or simple: Atract more ppls to the Movement agains Freebies

Remember: I received a menace of several ppls against freebie.Obviouslly it's a plan to try to screw me.
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08-20-2007 10:39
From: Rafaella Schumann
Remember: I received a menace of several ppls against freebie.Obviouslly it's a plan to try to screw me.

paranoid much?
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08-20-2007 10:42
From: 3Ring Binder
paranoid much?


She like, totally needs to mellow out, man. Her bad vibes are like a total buzz kill.
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08-20-2007 10:43
you read me like a book. :)
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08-20-2007 10:46
From: Meade Paravane
Other way around, I think. The OP is giving them away for free and the other person is selling things for L$100. Also, the OP is the sim owner.

If you really own the sim, tell the people in the other store to stop or leave. Your sim, your rules.


Yep ! That's What I made...

I Create a new and simple rule:

You cannot put products for sale that's available on the Na Faxa Freebie Shopping.You need to ensure about it before start your rental.If you are selling one or more products that's can be found at the Na Faxa Freebie Shopping you must stop to sell immediatelly

Very Easy ;)

Just for follow up: Before I got the decision to open a FReebie Mall I consulted several store owners with this question: "If I open a FReebie Mall u will feel that it can screw your business ?"

Common Answers:

- No, because my products cannot be found in this kind of store.If someone wanna use something original, need to buy from me.
- No, my public is different.
- No, because like the RL, ppls don't wanna see all avatars with the same clothes, hair, etc...So, later or not someone will need to spend on my store

and I received others answers too.Maybe I'm wrong, but I fell like Freebie just hurt the business of ppls that's wanna win easy money
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08-20-2007 10:53
From: 3Ring Binder
i always thought a hippie was a long haired dope smoking liberal,


Correct.

From: 3RingBinder
...therefore a griefer.


Not correct, man. Peace. Make love, not war. Tune in, turn on, drop out. Faaar out, man!

(My parents were hippies).

Actually, since the OP is giving the stuff away free, and the capitalist swine who wants to profit from the ignorant masses is the one giving her a hard time, it would be more likely that the OP is the "hippie" and her opponent the Establishment Businessman.
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08-20-2007 11:05
From: Meade Paravane
Other way around, I think. The OP is giving them away for free and the other person is selling things for L$100.
Right. I totally understand. I was talking to Manstan, because I assumed he was the person selling the items. Didn't see how somebody could get bent out of shape about "stupid hippie" if they didn't feel they were the target. Sorry for the confusion.
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08-20-2007 11:06
From: Rafaella Schumann
I fell like Freebie just hurt the business of ppls that's wanna win easy money

so your goal is to hurt people?

and people who create their own original products are not out to win easy money. have you ever created anything of quality? it takes HOURS to get it right... i still haven't got it right.

and, i have to say, i am a big-time freebie shopper. but your attitude sucks and i will NEVER frequent your sim, for freebies or anything else. what's the name of your sim again? i don't think you shamelessly plugged it enough up there. sheesh.
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08-20-2007 11:07
From: Lindal Kidd
Correct.



Not correct, man. Peace. Make love, not war. Tune in, turn on, drop out. Faaar out, man!

(My parents were hippies).


ha ha ha ha ha i was referring to the 'liberal' portion of my definition as the griefer. just a little American politics humor. :D
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08-20-2007 11:41
From: Lindal Kidd
Not correct, man. Peace. Make love, not war. Tune in, turn on, drop out. Faaar out, man!


What a long strange trip it's been.

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08-20-2007 11:59
From: Rafaella Schumann
You are right...Buuuttt ?? Well...PPls that's buy BIB is subject to it.
If I aquired a BIB with full permission, it means that I bought rights.So, if I don't wanna win money with it..It's my right too.In other words: I Bought the right to do whatever I wannt.
And in my opinion: Wanna set up a business ? Life is not easy ! So, SL neither ! There is no such easy money in any life !

No, I got severla BIB and I created a FreeBie Mall.But someone open a little store in front of the shopping with the same products that I give for free, but chargins something for it.Just to:

- Tell to LL later that the guy didn't sell anything because my Freebie Mall screwed his little store.
- Or simple: Atract more ppls to the Movement agains Freebies

Remember: I received a menace of several ppls against freebie.Obviouslly it's a plan to try to screw me.


The movement against freebies? Let's cut to the chase here, exactly what are you trying to sell on the back of this movement against freebies? You admitted you're trying to attract traffic, so what's your angle?
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08-20-2007 13:24
I've been going through a lot of Business-in-a-Box content that was donated to NCI lately. When I first approached the the BIABs, I thought it would be easy to set all the stuff out as NCI freebies. But when I started looking into the provenance of the various items, the sitution was not so clear.

BIAB contents seems to break down into the following categories (from largest to smallest):

1) Freebies packaged for resale.
2) Items that were stolen either via fraud, permission bug, or exploit from the original creators.
3) Items made by creators who have left SL.
4) Items that due to database errors no longer have a creator credit.
5) Items that were actually created and sold for the BIAB business.

What I've ended up having to do for NCI is check the history of each BIAB item that we were donated. If at all possible, the original creators are contacted.

When the item is a repackaged existing freebie, it is goes out.

If the item was exploited from the original creator, the item is tossed--unless the creator give us permission to put it out as a freebie. This has happened in several cases. Many creators would rather see their work distributed for free than to have people make money off of stolen work.

If the item was made by a creator who has since left Second Life, the item is put out if a) we can confirm the creator is no longer here, b) the items are widely distributed as freebies currently, and c) there does not appear to be anyone with a legitimate claim on the items.

If the item no longer has a creator listed due to SL database errors, we can't check with the original creator. We can't even know who it is. However, if contacted by the original creator with evidence that the item is theirs, we will remove such items on request.

Items that were created and sold as BIABs are not put out unless the creator does not care if they are distributed as freebies (confirmed either due to documentation in the BIAB or checking with the creator).

So as you can see, the situation is more complex than "all BIABs are freebies". As a practical matter, anything that is fullperms _can_ be distributed. But the question is should you?
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08-20-2007 13:35
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Not correct, man. Peace. Make love, not war. Tune in, turn on, drop out. Faaar out, man!


Ahahahah !!!! OMG !! Im laughing a lot !!!

From: someone

so your goal is to hurt people?


No, however, I don't care about these ppls.Whatever if will hurt or not...Nothing against anyone.I Just don't care.

From: someone

have you ever created anything of quality?


Man, obviouslly you are trying to upset me...This will be my last answer to you.Find a wall to let the wall upset.
Yes, I've prefab stores, 3 residential SIMS and my last project was a 10.000 US$ project to a RL Real Estates Company.I made a sim to this company.
The quality ?? Humm...go to check if U wanna: Search for LOPES in the Wold Map.Me and my team made this sim and this is not the only sim that we made too.
Obviouslly U will try to judge my job and will say "this is a crap"...But I will understand ya ;)


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The movement against freebies? Let's cut to the chase here, exactly what are you trying to sell on the back of this movement against freebies? You admitted you're trying to attract traffic, so what's your angle?



Correct...Atract traffic...It's my goal...But, some ppls that says "We are the movement against freebie" wanna try to shutdown my Freebie store.Maybe the angle of these ppls is "Im the evil capitalist that wanna smash others ppls".And I'm not.I really just wanna atract traffic to my sim and nothing else more.

First the leader of this "movement" told me that I'm killing the soul of the artists and I'm evil...
And then..I discovered that he is a big mall owner and his tentants sell several itens that I'm give for free.


BTW - I WANNA SEND A FEEDBACK FOR ALL..PAY ATTENTION !! IT'S REALLY GOOD !

Well...this is a new sim with several rentals yet available.The tentants is concentrating near the freebie mall.It's totally unexpected to me.They are doind it because the tentants fell like the trfic generated by the freebie mall can help the others business too.
So, in others worlds: The Freebie shopping is helping the business of my tentants and I'm really happy because it was totally unexpected to me.
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08-20-2007 14:57
From: someone
so your goal is to hurt people?

From: Rafaella Schumann
No, however, I don't care about these ppls.Whatever if will hurt or not...Nothing against anyone.I Just don't care.

'nuff said.
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08-20-2007 15:07
From: Rafaella Schumann
I fell like Freebie just hurt the business of ppls that's wanna win easy money


3ring, I don't think the OP is saying she wants to hurt content creators here. I read this as saying that the SELLING of freebies is just people out to make a quick buck (like the person sending the threats) and that the OP's freebie mall only hurts the buisness of THOSE people, not the vendors in her mall. People who are out to make a buck by selling freebies are the people the OP doesn't care about.
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08-20-2007 15:22
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No, however, I don't care about these ppls.Whatever if will hurt or not...Nothing against anyone.I Just don't care.


Well, then, I think you're finding out what happens when the feeling is mutual.
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08-20-2007 15:55
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08-20-2007 15:57
hamm.....sorry :(

What is "OP" ????
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08-20-2007 15:59
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08-20-2007 16:20
I'm confused. :confused:

I used to be a hippy - a verry long time ago. So I guess that makes me an old ex-hippy.

From what I can remember, giving things away *FREE*ly used to be the kind of thing that a hippy would do.

So she's giving things away, yet bad mouthing the guy that wants to sell stuff by calling him a stupid hippy?

Isn't she being the hippy and he's being the money-grubbing *man*?

Or has something drastically changed in the last 40 years that I wasn't aware of? :confused:
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08-20-2007 16:47
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3ring, I don't think the OP is saying she wants to hurt content creators here. I read this as saying that the SELLING of freebies is just people out to make a quick buck (like the person sending the threats) and that the OP's freebie mall only hurts the buisness of THOSE people, not the vendors in her mall. People who are out to make a buck by selling freebies are the people the OP doesn't care about.

oh. i stand corrected.
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08-20-2007 16:47
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3Ring quit trolling.
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i wouldn't. ever. but i will stop communicating on this thread, certainly.
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