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Phil Deakins
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11-30-2009 13:43
Efficiencywise, yes. Practicalwise, no :)
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Arielyn Docherty
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Join date: 3 Jul 2007
Posts: 625
11-30-2009 13:54
From: Anya Ristow
Dear emeral devs,

You super sekrit decoder ring is apparently able to determine that the intended recipient isn't wearing a decoder ring. So, why don't you tell the sender about it rather than the recipient?

Dumbasses.

Love,
Anya


Sorry, but this has to be among the funniest things I've read in a LONG time. You go, Anya!!!
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Mitzy Shino
can i haz ur stufz?
Join date: 15 Dec 2006
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11-30-2009 14:11
From: Phil Deakins
I only use the Emerald radar for seeing where an av is after I've seen its nearby presence on my normal radar. The Emerald one can't replace the normal type.


I have to disagree, I love the emerald radar, dumped my scripted one about 2 minutes after starting to use the emerald one, but of course thats my (not so) humble opinion, and of course your entitled to yours (but mines right!).

On the other hand I dislike OTR, because it is buggy on so many levels. Not sure if they have fixed it yet but if you were having an OTR conversation with someone and crashed, it would continue to encrypt the messages.

Switch viewers, or have IM's go to email and you got gibberish.
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Phil Deakins
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11-30-2009 14:16
From: Mitzy Shino
I have to disagree, I love the emerald radar, dumped my scripted one about 2 minutes after starting to use the emerald one, but of course thats my (not so) humble opinion, and of course your entitled to yours (but mines right!).
You keep that big box open all the time? I couldn't do with that on-screen all the time.
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-30-2009 14:25
From: Phil Deakins
You keep that big box open all the time? I couldn't do with that on-screen all the time.
Yeah, I am with you on that. I even use a 25" wide screen for SL and I still don't want that box taking part of my screen real estate.
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Phil Deakins
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11-30-2009 14:31
Mine is only a 22" widescreen but I wouldn't want it open all the time with one your size, Lil. And I don't even want all the avs it lists in it. I only want those that are nearby. The rest just get in the way even though they are sorted by distance.
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Anya Ristow
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Join date: 21 Sep 2006
Posts: 1,243
11-30-2009 14:42
From: Meade Paravane
So don't use it. Go back to the LL viewer and complain straight to LL when you find problems in it.


I'm not using it. That's the problem. The person who is using it is not told about the problem. The person who isn't using it receives the message. Worse, the person who did receive the message can't tell the person who should have received the message.
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Milla Janick
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Join date: 2 Jan 2008
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11-30-2009 14:48
From: Dante Tucker
Emerald is for advanced, technically inclined users. Advanced users will not misunderstand these things, and know what they are doing.

Says who?

Not Modular Systems.
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Phil Deakins
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11-30-2009 14:51
LL is about to make an announcement concerning 3rd party viewers and I think it's the encryption that kicked it off.
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Sassy Romano
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11-30-2009 15:06
From: VonGklugelstein Alter
No I was talking about the entire viewer not just that small part of it. I notice severe performance degradation whenever somebody tp's into a sim and I am wondering if a viewer that is sending a gazzilion requests could have an impact.. and don''t get your panties all ruffled up yet.. I won't bash the thing unless I have a reason to.

For severe performance degredation, google mono scripts and teleporting and you'll arrive here:-

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3895

Now wait for someone with shoes from say Stiletto Moody, 400 scripts per pair, some Damselfly hair another 200 scripts, a skirt with resize scripts, maybe another 150 scripts.

Watch that sim die as it tries to instantiate 750 mono compiled scripts...

Or we could just blame it on the Emerald viewer as being evil.

It actually occurred to me today how funny it was at the last Stiletto Moody launch. Nobody could move, nothing would rez, the sim was basically at a complete standstill. All the lovelies wanted to turn up in their overscripted SM shoes thus bringing upon themselves and the creator their own denial of service. lol.
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11-30-2009 15:11
From: Phil Deakins
LL is about to make an announcement concerning 3rd party viewers and I think it's the encryption that kicked it off.


Well, I can understand why chat encryption would bother LL. In spite of what they protest to the otherwise, they are ultimately responsible for what happens on their grid. Courts help them if they don't have the evidence all neatly stowed against future problems. (Or at least that's what they're excuse will be.)
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Mitzy Shino
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11-30-2009 15:12
From: Phil Deakins
You keep that big box open all the time? I couldn't do with that on-screen all the time.


No, I'm not so paranoid as to need to know who is sneaking up behind me, I only open it when I need to know who is around. If I have it going constantly how is anyone going to be able to sneak up on me and kidnap me?!?!
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Phil Deakins
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11-30-2009 15:14
From: Mitzy Shino
No, I'm not so paranoid as to need to know who is sneaking up behind me, I only open it when I need to know who is around. If I have it going constantly how is anyone going to be able to sneak up on me and kidnap me?!?!
You need more than the Emerald Radar box then. You also need to tell us where you'll be - and when.

Of course, if that's all you use any radar for, then the Emerald one is just fine - better, in fact, as it's just a button click away. I think that most of us who use a radar, like to have the little list in a corner of the screen though.
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Mitzy Shino
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Join date: 15 Dec 2006
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11-30-2009 15:19
From: Phil Deakins
You need more than the Emerald Radar box then. You also need to tell us where you'll be - and when.

Of course, if that's all you use any radar for, then the Emerald one is just fine - better, in fact, as it's just a button click away. I think that most of us who use a radar, like to have the little list in a corner of the screen though.


Err my location is errm secret, and I'll be there 5 minutes after you leave!

I used to be like that, always curious who was around, now I just use it for locating people in sims when they are yelling for help :)
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Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
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11-30-2009 18:04
Generally speaking, my policy is "3rd party, beta, and first look viewers are not supported; contact your viewer's support organization for problems".

That said, I'll try and help if I can, but I am not going to be on the hook for someone else's problems. <.< We've had this policy at the Isle for years since the first First Look viewer caused money transfer problems with vendors.
Qie Niangao
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Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
11-30-2009 19:00
I now find that when I'm asked for help here or in-world, about 50% of the time I have to first ask: "Are you using the standard viewer?"

I guess that will go to 100% once Viewer 2.0 is added to the mix along with Emerald, 1.23.mumble, Snowglobe, and all the ghetto-chic urbalife viewers.
Viktoria Dovgal
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Join date: 29 Jul 2007
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11-30-2009 19:33
From: Qie Niangao
once Viewer 2.0 is added to the mix

How long do we have to wait before we get to call that one vaporware?
Brieanne Bomazi
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11-30-2009 20:20
From: Phil Deakins
You keep that big box open all the time? I couldn't do with that on-screen all the time.


I poked around the settings, and i have it set where it announces when someone enters the sim i am on (Usually my own) and with in chat range. I usually only open the big box when i don't *see* them.I admit i was addicted to my *local* radar on the bottom right of my screen, but since i keep the chat history window open, i can pretty much keep track easily enough unless we get super busy :)

Since i tend to be wearing lots of prims (not scripts i remove the size scripts as soon as it fits) i figure the more i can do to reduce my *own* lag the better. Using the built in AO & Radar has helped... maybe not a HUGE help, but every little bit counts :)

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Bree Giffen
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11-30-2009 22:00
During the Emerald install process it asked if I wanted to enable OTR and said it was recommended. It's certainly not the case that users are just going into the options and turning on OTR for the hell of it. Maybe it wasn't being pushed before in previous installs and maybe they've taken it out of the install process already. Anyhoo, Emerald works great for me.
Dagmar Heideman
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11-30-2009 22:25
From: Phil Deakins
If 'required' is something that an Emerald user has to turn on, as Viktoria said, then I'd just ignore them after replying to the first IM. It's their choice, and their loss.
I'd be inclined to ignore them without even replying to the first IM regardless of whether they have to turn it on or it is a default setting. I certainly would not feel any obligation to reply. It's their choice to use Emerald, and their own fault for being ignorant about how a third party viewer works. If they are one of the many people who only learn how to use the viewer to enable jiggle tech, stop lookin' at me tech, stop lookin' at my profile tech etc. and can't be bothered to take the time to study and understand the extra features of the viewer, how they work, and how they are set then they have no one but themselves to blame.
Ansariel Hiller
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11-30-2009 23:39
From: Phil Deakins
That's not what I meant, Meade. I meant that, if Emerald only has the radar button, then it's not the type of radar that we normally use, because it's not on-screen all the time. It can be be, of course, but it's a big box to have open all the time. Also, it lists avatars that are a long way away, even in the next sim, making a big list, much of which isn't wanted. The type of radar we are used to is one that's on-screen all the time and only lists those avs that are nearby. In other words, the Emerald radar isn't really a radar in the way that we mean radar.

I asked because someone used the term "local radar" and I wondered if Emerald has another one, more like a normal radar, that needs opting in for.

I only use the Emerald radar for seeing where an av is after I've seen its nearby presence on my normal radar. The Emerald one can't replace the normal type.


Emerald can send the radar info into a local chat channel so you can also use a HUD to pick up the data and display it. There seems to be one freebie version of a radar HUD that can deal with it on XSL, but I don't remember the name.

Oh, and for me, Emerald doesn't crash 5x a day and has solved the "only avatar attachments visible when new avatar coming into view range" issue.
Viktoria Dovgal
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12-01-2009 01:38
From: Ansariel Hiller
Emerald can send the radar info into a local chat channel so you can also use a HUD to pick up the data and display it. There seems to be one freebie version of a radar HUD that can deal with it on XSL, but I don't remember the name.


Yeah, you can do that, but it reintroduces most of what makes radars pig out on script time in the first place, and then some.
Ansariel Hiller
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12-01-2009 02:54
Of course it does, but Phil prefers lag over the "monstrous" but resizable Emerald radar window. ;)
Phil Deakins
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12-01-2009 03:04
From: Ansariel Hiller
Of course it does, but Phil prefers lag over the "monstrous" but resizable Emerald radar window. ;)
Actually, I prefer the display and limited list of normal radars to that of the emerald viewer. From that point of view, normal radars win by a mile. Lag doesn't come into it either way.
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