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Chris Norse
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08-10-2009 03:36
From: Bith Wierwight
Wasn't really addressing you Clarissa...just a paranoid tone I've observed that I'm finding idiotic and tiresome.

It isn't paranoid that "our" government is asking citizens to inform on other citizens who express a contrary view to proposed government policies. [email]flag@whitehouse.gov[/email] (I am already on the list. I self reported) It isn't paranoid when "our" president (an overpaid government employee) basically tells citizens (his employers) who disagree with him to "sit down and shut up".

This isn't about Obama, I was just as critical of Bush the Lesser.
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08-10-2009 03:37
From: Clarissa Lowell
Lol, I have sent things through places like - not to hijack so, a place that sends school stuff to Iraqi kids - so I'm not as paranoid as I sound. However this seems like helping citizens break the law and that makes me a tad nervous.


Unjust laws should always be broken.
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Bith Wierwight
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08-10-2009 03:52
From: Chris Norse


This isn't about Obama, I was just as critical of Bush the Lesser.



I know you were. But tell me: if the feds are so good at their covert ops on us, then why can't they be that good at other things we need them to be good at. Why the distrust? Why are they only excellent when they are the bad guys?

And BTW I am not a Democrat. Just wanted to toss that out there. Haven't been in nearly 15 years.
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Zen Zeddmore
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08-10-2009 04:12
From: Milla Janick
Or put the name and address of someone you knew who was a real jackass in high school on them.



O_o ?
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Demona Delvalle
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08-10-2009 09:06
What worries me is when people don't question unjust laws. This is how you get the kind of authority system that you see in Iran in the first place. Religion makes it easy for them because anyone who questions religious law is outcast anyway. That's scary shit if you ask me.

Allowing another power-tripping regime to hide the world from it's citizens is the real crime here.
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08-10-2009 10:26
From: Bith Wierwight
I know you were. But tell me: if the feds are so good at their covert ops on us, then why can't they be that good at other things we need them to be good at. Why the distrust? Why are they only excellent when they are the bad guys?

And BTW I am not a Democrat. Just wanted to toss that out there. Haven't been in nearly 15 years.


They aren't even any good being the bad guys anymore...they can't keep it a secret to save ther lives. :p
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08-10-2009 11:23
From: Milla Janick
Have you found any cheap ones? I looked for some today while I was out and the best I saw were 2GB for ten bucks.
I found this site that seems to be about the cheapest:

http://www.oempcworld.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=USB128&GCID=C8090x005

I typically do my donations in $50-100 range for most things so I can spread my money around and a bulk purchase of these will fit into that range.
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08-10-2009 11:25
From: Clarissa Lowell
However this seems like helping citizens break the law and that makes me a tad nervous..
Our own revolutionists were law breakers in their time.
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Gummi Richthofen
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08-10-2009 15:31
From: LittleMe Jewell
That is for them to decide - this is simply giving a choice, which is what we often spout that everyone should have.


Yes, but what is that choice? "here's your free chance to try something out which, if it goes wrong at all in any way, will have you shot and your dead body dragged through the streets as a traitor. We haven't really tried it out and we don't really know if your government are on to us already, but that's just the price of freedom, dude"

I'd go so far as to say that it's criminally irresponsible to offer anything like this.
Clarissa Lowell
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08-10-2009 15:34
From: Bith Wierwight
Wasn't really addressing you Clarissa...just a paranoid tone I've observed that I'm finding idiotic and tiresome.


But I have the tin foil hat and *everything.*

(Two of them in fact. Thanks, FC group!)

PS what if these drives end up in 'the wrong hands' - just a thought.

'sides, soldiers ask for thumb drives all the time too.
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08-10-2009 15:40
From: Bith Wierwight
I know you were. But tell me: if the feds are so good at their covert ops on us, then why can't they be that good at other things we need them to be good at. Why the distrust? Why are they only excellent when they are the bad guys?

And BTW I am not a Democrat. Just wanted to toss that out there. Haven't been in nearly 15 years.


Because this type of spying is dead easy, whereas the other stuff is a lot harder.

Why anyone would set up any kind of independent liberation charity, when Amnesty International are already on the case and are pretty damn famous for not screwing around, seems to me just incomprehensible.

And I would love to join you in happy happy land, but see, I have this checkbook here, in the name of Chief Emeka Anyaoku. Now weirdly enough, I used to know of that chap, and I worked briefly with his son: both charming fellows, I'm sure. That's why I am *quite* certain that neither the Chief, nor his son, would have applied for a bank account and checkbook using my house as their home address - and it took me an exceedingly long time to persuade the issuing bank that they better close that account, and take the checkbook back for shredding.

By which I mean: if you think the global reach of trivial basic personal data isn't already out of safe control, then you are dreaming. It's not about paranoia - it's actually about laziness. Lazy people with mischief in mind can now see your house in Google Street View. Lazy hackers can publish your usernames and passwords on freely searchable forums in China (try googling for your common passwords...): Lazy data thieves can pay your postman £10 a week to intercept mail for false names they have set up at your address. It's not a big brother problem.
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08-10-2009 16:14
From: Gummi Richthofen
Yes, but what is that choice? "here's your free chance to try something out which, if it goes wrong at all in any way, will have you shot and your dead body dragged through the streets as a traitor. We haven't really tried it out and we don't really know if your government are on to us already, but that's just the price of freedom, dude"

I'd go so far as to say that it's criminally irresponsible to offer anything like this.
I am pretty sure our own revolutionists were criminal in many of their doings too and the people that offered aid along the way might have been criminally irresponsible also.

The definition of criminal and criminal irresponsibility usually depends on which side wins in the end. Our own revolutionists are no longer criminals, but heros (well, heros to us Americans anyway - probably still criminals to the British).
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-10-2009 16:16
Difference is it would be much harder to revolt today than back then. That said, what our forefathers carried off was nothing short of genius (no offense to Britain especially as many of my ancestors are from there.)
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08-10-2009 17:20
From: Demona Delvalle
What worries me is when people don't question unjust laws.

If Americans did that more, you'd probably still be Free country.
Bith Wierwight
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08-11-2009 00:29
Meh.
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08-11-2009 01:21
From: LittleMe Jewell
Definitely on this -- download one of the freebie shredder apps and make sure it is thoroughly cleansed.

I thought I'd leave the porn on it for them, isn't that the issue? Danate them coppies of your porn collection? :)
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Conan Godwin
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08-12-2009 02:58
From: Brenda Connolly
God, I was going to say essentially the same thing.


That's because you are Chris's alt.
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Conan Godwin
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08-12-2009 03:01
From: Clarissa Lowell
Difference is it would be much harder to revolt today than back then. That said, what our forefathers carried off was nothing short of genius (no offense to Britain especially as many of my ancestors are from there.)


Yes, the rape and torture of loyalist civilians was pretty impressive.
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Brenda Connolly
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08-12-2009 05:42
From: Conan Godwin
Yes, the rape and torture of loyalist civilians was pretty impressive.


Too bad waterboarding hadnt been invented.
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Clarissa Lowell
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08-12-2009 14:02
From: Conan Godwin
Yes, the rape and torture of loyalist civilians was pretty impressive.


Do people invent things to be offended by sometimes? Lol.

So you're a Tory? Tell us about life over 200 years ago.

I was talking about the system of government, which is still the best out there today as much as it sticks to the original model at least. And about the fact it was a pretty scraggly but brilliant bunch who overthrew an empire.

Not shabby.
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