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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 02:32
I see many people get caught up in their business so much that they end up justifying immoral things as being "merely very competitive", or they wax on about this justification or that justification, and all the while never do see, or care to see that some of the things they do in the name of the almighty currency negatively affect others.  _____________________
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Sling Trebuchet
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01-10-2010 03:46
..... I think you mean things like, if a person does something to get his/her search ranking higher, it affect others because it necessarily moves their rankings down and, therefore, they make fewer sales. If that's the sort of thing you mean, saying that it's unethical is utter garbage. If it were true, absolutely everything that a person could do, that affected other people in a negative way, must be unethical - such as lowering prices to get people to buy here rather than there, paying more for Classifieds to get above the competition and thereby get more sales at the expense of the competition, etc. .... There are two main ways of promoting a business. 1) above board 2) underhand Price setting, advertising, etc are above board. Everyone can see the prices. Everyone can see the advertising, discounts, whatever. Underhand methods in SL include Traffic botting, Pick buying, Keyword stuffing and other gaming of search. These are unethical. They are cheating. LL's guidelines to merchants on Search are clear. Again: ... Appeal to Humans, Not Search Engines .... Any attempt to artificially inflate your rank in search results could result in penalties to your rank, de-listing from search and disciplinary action against your Second Life account. This includes but is not limited to inappropriate use of traffic bots or Picks. ..... These are recommendations for reasonable behaviour. Your running of bots, your keyword stuffing, your manipulation of content to artificially inflate your rank in search results are unreasonable, dishonest, cheating, unethical behaviour. They also run directly against LL's wishes. You and people like you do this for your own personal gain. In behaving like this you not alone damage the sales of honest people. You also force LL to divert resources into dealing with the abuse. You therefore damage everybody's SL experience. You are pissing in the pool. You are environmental damage. _____________________
Maggie: We give our residents a lot of tools, to build, create, and manage their lands and objects. That flexibility also requires people to exercise judgment about when things should be used.
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Kitty Barnett
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01-10-2010 03:55
I think you mean things like, if a person does something to get his/her search ranking higher, it affect others because it necessarily moves their rankings down and, therefore, they make fewer sales. You clearly know that you only do as well as you do (search-wise) simply because you have no issues with subterfuge and hoard knowledge that would threaten your rank if it became common knowledge. (That in and by itself is already contrary to a forum where the intent is to help others and share knowledge) Pussycat made a good point that whatever rules LL sets out are the very bare minimum and ethical vs unethical goes beyond that: you've used traffic bots and in the end LL moved to block those; you've used an exploit and LL moved to block it; you acknowledge keyword stuffing isn't wanted and realize that LL is moving to block it but you're still holding on to it to the moment it might hurt your ranking; you haven't used paid picks but joined dozens of threads defending the practice and LL is moving to block it. You continually end on the short end of the stick when it comes to some of the tactics you use. You know fully well they're "undesirable" but you just do them anyway because you face no consequences for doing do until the exact moment it might harm *you* which is when you stop using them. You may run a profitable business, but an ethical one it is not. |
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Ciaran Laval
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01-10-2010 04:09
There are two main ways of promoting a business. 1) above board 2) underhand Price setting, advertising, etc are above board. Everyone can see the prices. Everyone can see the advertising, discounts, whatever. Underhand methods in SL include Traffic botting, Pick buying, Keyword stuffing and other gaming of search. These are unethical. They are cheating. In your opinion, I see paid picks as advertising, which you say is fine, but you don't see paid picks as advertising. Pricing, many people complain about pricing, the whole XStreet mess is about pricing with people claiming it's not fair that people give away freebies or sell dollarbies. Others accuse those complaining of the price of freebies and dollarbies of engaging in price fixing and restrictive marketing practices. So it's far from black and white. |
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 04:17
You've already stated that some of the things you did/do guarantee you a first spot, but then only if other people don't know about it. You clearly know that you only do as well as you do (search-wise) simply because you have no issues with subterfuge and hoard knowledge that would threaten your rank if it became common knowledge. (That in and by itself is already contrary to a forum where the intent is to help others and share knowledge)  You think that people should share all they know - everything that gives them an edge? Priceless LMAO You continually end on the short end of the stick when it comes to some of the tactics you use.  You know fully well they're "undesirable" but you just do them anyway because you face no consequences for doing do until the exact moment it might harm *you* which is when you stop using them. You may run a profitable business, but an ethical one it is not. What happened to you? You used to write sensible posts. _____________________
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 04:37
There are two main ways of promoting a business. 1) above board 2) underhand  Price setting, advertising, etc are above board. Everyone can see the prices. Everyone can see the advertising, discounts, whatever. Underhand methods in SL include Traffic botting, Pick buying, Keyword stuffing and other gaming of search. These are unethical. They are cheating. So, to clarify. Things that you don't like are cheating, underhanded, etc., regardless of what others think and regardless even of truth, because you are the arbiter of these things. Got it. Ty. LL's guidelines to merchants on Search are clear. Again: These are recommendations for reasonable behaviour. Your running of bots, your keyword stuffing, your manipulation of content to artificially inflate your rank in search results are unreasonable, dishonest, cheating, unethical behaviour. They also run directly against LL's wishes. You and people like you do this for your own personal gain. In behaving like this you not alone damage the sales of honest people. You also force LL to divert resources into dealing with the abuse. You therefore damage everybody's SL experience. Oh, and yes, we are in business for "personal gain". You should try it sometime - it's good You are pissing in the pool. You are environmental damage. _____________________
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 04:39
In your opinion, I see paid picks as advertising, which you say is fine, but you don't see paid picks as advertising. _____________________
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Kitty Barnett
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01-10-2010 04:47
More nonsense, Kitty. I've never known anything that can guarantee first spot, so I've never said anything like that. Why don't you try sticking to truth? It's so much better for everyone, albeit not for you.  . Just to refresh your memory: Not long ago, I discovered a very important thing about rankings. Something that, together with the other things I posted, just about guarantees the top spot as long as the competition doesn't know about it. Undersireable? Only to those who don't want them (usually those who don't understand them) It was clear from the start that traffic bots, keyword stuffing and gaming picks weren't things they wanted. You tried (and still do try) to argue in favour of ways to subvert search but in the end the people objecting to them were the ones proven right. |
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Innula Zenovka
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01-10-2010 05:05
@Innula I dont think the british museums ethics are in question. I can still loosely apply my "what if" If everyone spent the day(not at the same time, of coures) at the British Museum absorbing culture. The world could be a little better. It certainly does not seem negative and passes my "what if". You said, Ask yourself this: What would the world be like if Everybody did it too? You now tell me that I should add the qualification (not at the same time, of course). But what does that do your original example, " if everybody ran 40 bots on their parcel; SL would be lagged out."? It's by no means clear to me that if everybody ran 40 bots on their parcel(not at the same time, of course) that SL would be lagged out. It would all depend on how many people did it simultaneously and for how long. If all SL account holders tried to log in at the same time, SL would doubtless crash.. but since they they don't, any more does every Londoner try to visit the BM at the same time, or any more than does everyone run 40 bots on their parcel, or is likely to, it doesn't seem worth worrying about. That's what I meant about your question not working particularly well when I try to apply it. |
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 05:09
Must have been some other Phil Deakins then . Just to refresh your memory: (/327/b9/271804/29.html#post2095259/327/b9/271804/29.html#post2095259) Which happens to be LL in all the cases I listed. It was clear from the start that traffic bots, keyword stuffing and gaming picks weren't things they wanted. You tried (and still do try) to argue in favour of ways to subvert search but in the end the people objecting to them were the ones proven right. I use keyword stuffing to an extreme for one of my parcels, and I admit guilt on that. But I also wrote to LL, telling them how bad it was becoming, and pointed them to my own page as an example. So even that isn't/wasn't underhanded. One more thing. You said that "in the end the people objecting to them were the ones proven right". So I was proven right I am one of the people who shouted against traffic bots to LL, and against keyword stuffing to LL. The only one I didn't shout about was picks - that's the one I didn't participate in, as you know. It's good to know that I've been proven right - thankyou for letting me know _____________________
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Qie Niangao
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01-10-2010 05:14
A common but simplistic notion is that freedom is a virtue unto itself. Freedom unchecked is the freedom to live enslaved to the guy with the biggest club, or to hide from the riotous mob.
It's not for nothing that the US pledge of allegiance invokes "liberty and justice" in the same breath. One way or another, societies impose structures to control the use of power, enabling people to get on with their lives productively instead of spending all their time defending themselves from somebody else's power. Market economies adopt much the same structures, hence both anti-trust laws and protection of individual property from confiscation by the masses. It's just more efficient: it maximizes a sum-of-sums utility function. Wherever either extreme reigned unchecked, markets failed and people suffered. What has any of this to do with SL? SL is a completely artificial, contrived economic and political environment, defined by Linden Lab. That invites us to a confusion of levels: is the imposed definition a political structure, with LL playing the role of enlightened despot? If so, its ToS and policies are the rules of the SL society. Or are those structures even more fundamental: the laws of human nature for SL--where we are free to define our own structure of political and economic powers within the behaviours possible under the fundamental rules? I believe Philip initially intended the latter, basically telling us to go forth and make our own rules, norms, etc., as a kind of in vitro sociology experiment. That may sound like fun, and there have been some attempts, but because the only real power permitted in the ToS is ownership of virtual "land", there's a nearly inevitable emergence of a Mainland crypto-Anarchist free-for-all, and unchecked Estate fiefdoms. So we're back to LL as despot, and our only means of protecting ourselves from any emerging mobs or guys with big clubs is to petition the monarch for amended rules. Once something is the law of the land, it's no longer really a question of ethics: the Mafia may be unethical, too, but mostly it's illegal. Rather, "ethics" is about what's not (yet?) a rule. If commendation for ethics is in order, it's not for following the ToS but for complying with norms above and beyond those rules. |
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Kitty Barnett
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01-10-2010 05:22
"just about guarantees" isn't quite the same as "guarantees". .In the future "I don't recall saying anything like that" would serve you better rather than the absolute "I said no such thing" followed by some weak "insults". I use keyword stuffing to an extreme for one of my parcels, and I admit guilt on that. But I also wrote to tell LL it was how bad it was becoming, and pointed them to my own page as an example. So even that isn't/wasn't underhanded. |
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 05:38
Keep clinging to those straws if it makes you happy .In the future "I don't recall saying anything like that" would serve you better rather than the absolute "I said no such thing" followed by some weak "insults". Don't try to appear noble, Phil. You used that exploit back then and at least as far as the forums go you never even once indicated a remote desire to report it to LL like you should have the very moment you found out about it. I never used keyword stuffing until about 6 months ago (maybe more recent) - not "back then", as you put it. Any word repetitions before that were not keyword stuffing - they were contained in my standard item description, as they've always been since long before the GSA came along. Then about 6 months ago, I saw that people were making ranking gains by significant keyword stuffing and, in order to keep my rankings up, I competed with them bit by bit, until the resulting pages at the top of the rankings became totally useless to users. I didn't like making my page useless - hence "bit by bit" - but that was, and always will be, less important to me than the success of my business. It's a real RL business, after all. When, in the space of a couple of weeks, the pages had gone from being useful, as LL intended, to pretty much useless to users, I wrote to LL, showing them what the pages at the top of the rankings were becoming, including my own, and suggesting an alternative. That's the truth, regardless of what you prefer it to have been. There's nothing noble about it. _____________________
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 06:17
Don't try to appear noble, Phil. You used that exploit back then and at least as far as the forums go you never even once indicated a remote desire to report it to LL like you should have the very moment you found out about it. It was possible to make the pages more useful, as I did by grouping item types with headings and spaces between the groups, and it's a shame that they didn't just filter certain html codes out instead of all of it. _____________________
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Sling Trebuchet
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01-10-2010 06:18
Everything I've ever done here has been above board - out in the open for all to see. So I'm good so far Someone using Search is not necessarily aware of the effect of Traffic bots on Search ranking. Your use of traffic bots was not “out in the open” in the sense that price setting and advertising are. Your use of cross-linked pages was only visible to those with technical insight and who went digging. It was not not “out in the open” Your use of alts for Picks is not not “out in the open”. LL guidelines? I've never done anything contrary to LL's guidelines, so I'm totally in the clear - thank you for pointing it out .Yet again, here are relevant extracts from LL’s “Linden Lab Official  earch Guidelines”http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official earch_Guidelines]... Appeal to Humans, Not Search Engines .... Any attempt to artificially inflate your rank in search results could result in penalties to your rank, de-listing from search and disciplinary action against your Second Life account. This includes but is not limited to inappropriate use of traffic bots or Picks. Other things that may cause your listing to receive a lower search rank include: Keyword stuffing or ..... Currently, the last update to that page was on January 7th. You might have missed it on the day, but you have been aware of them since yesterday at the very least as they were quoted in posts that you commented on. Perhaps you removed all your keyword stuffing yesterday? Maybe it’s just that the Search indexing hasn’t caught up with your modifications. At the moment, All Search serves this up for you: Furniture Low Prim Furniture. Top Quality Furniture Low Price Furniture Bedroom Furniture Kitchen Furniture Home Furniture Household Furniture Living Room Furniture Outdoor Furniture Couches Furniture Adult Furniture Dining Room Furniture Items found here: Price Description ********* FURNITURE - LOW PRIM FURNITURE - QUALITY FURNITURE at AMAZINGLY LOW PRICES ********* 205, 116, 251 Go Go . + 1000 top quality, Low cost, Low Prim Furniture items includes - Home Furniture, Bedroom Furniture, Sex Furniture, Kitchen Furniture, Outdoor Furniture, Beach Furniture, Garden Furniture 192, 123, 257 Go Go . + Low Prim Furniture Living Room Furniture Diningroom Furniture - Low prim sex beds, sex couches, sofas, sex sofas, sex rugs, Chesterfield Furniture, lamps, Furniture Home Furniture 192, 113, 257 Go Go . BEDROOM FURNITURE over 60 different beds - sex beds sleep beds - Color/texture changing Furniture, Bedroom Furniture, Sex Furniture, Low Prim Furniture, Furniture, Low Prim Furniture 208, 97, 261 Go Go . Bed animations are unique to Prim Savers Low Prim Furniture - Furniture, Sex Furniture, Sex Beds, Sleep Beds Furniture, Low Prim Furniture, Adult Furniture, Low Prim Furniture 208, 80, 259 Go Go . Campfires (camp fires). Log fires with or without stone firepit - camp fires low prim outdoor furniture beach furniture patio furniture garden furniture lawn furniture hammocks picnic tables 128, 179, 260 Go Go . Hammocks, single hammocks, double hammocks, low prim hammocks - hammocks low prim outdoor furniture beach furniture patio furniture garden furniture lawn furniture picnic tables camp fires 128, 181, 260 Go Go . KITCHEN FURNITURE : kitchen assemblies units kitchen sex units - fridges, cookers, Kitchen Furniture, Dining Room Furniture and Furniture Kitchen Furniture, Low Prim Furniture & Furniture 184, 144, 265 Go Go . Kitchens you can design yourself with low prim kitchen units - fridges, cookers, Low Prim Furniture, Kitchen Furniture, Dining Room Furniture, Low Prim Furniture, Low Prim Furniture 208, 144, 259 Go Go . LAMPS : Over 140 different lamps, including Tiffany lamps and - 1 prim lamps, floor lamps, table, ceiling, wall lights. Furniture Low Prim Furniture Living Room Furniture Home Furniture 206, 109, 250 Go Go . Lawn furniture. loungers, umbrellas, deckchairs, wicker, tables - lawn furniture hammocks picnic tables camp fires low prim outdoor furniture beach furniture patio furniture garden furniture 128, 177, 260 Go Go . Low prim beach furniture. deckchairs, loungers, umbrellas, more - beach furniture patio furniture garden furniture lawn furniture hammocks picnic tables camp fires low prim outdoor furniture 128, 174, 260 Go Go . Low prim garden furniture Loungers deckchairs hammocks and more - garden furniture lawn furniture hammocks picnic tables camp fires low prim outdoor furniture beach furniture patio furniture 128, 176, 260 Go Go . Low prim outdoor furniture - decckairs loungers tables hammocks - Low prim outdoor furniture beach furniture patio furniture garden furniture lawn furniture hammocks picnic tables camp fires 128, 173, 260 Go Go . Low prim patio furniture Loungers deckchairs hammocks tables - patio furniture garden furniture lawn furniture hammocks picnic tables camp fires low prim outdoor furniture beach furniture 128, 175, 260 Go Go . Matching lamps and tables in many designs - Home Furniture, Low Prim Furniture, Living Room Furniture, Low Prim Furniture, Home Furniture, Low Prim Furniture, Furniture 205, 51, 250 Go Go . Picnic tables - low prim picnic table with 4 seating positions - picnic tables camp fires low prim outdoor furniture beach furniture patio furniture garden furniture lawn furniture hammocks 128, 178, 260 Go Go . SOFAS COUCHES CHAIRS : over 300 top quality couches and chairs - chat, cuddle, sex sofas & more Home Furniture, Living Room Furniture Low Prim Furniture Low Prim Furniture Home Furniture 188, 158, 258 Go Go . Sex, cuddles, Chesterfield, leather, fabric, modern, sectional - Living Room Furniture, Low Prim Furniture, Home Furniture, Leather Furniture, Low Prim Furniture, Low Prim Furniture 169, 153, 257 Go Go . Tiki bars. Small tiki bar, large tiki bar. Ideal for the beach - tiki bars low prim outdoor furniture beach furniture patio furniture garden furniture lawn furniture hammocks picnic tables 128, 180, 260 Go Go . ~ FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE - FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE 205, 118, 251 Go Go . ~ FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE - FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE 205, 118, 251 Go Go . ~ FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE - FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE 205, 117, 251 Go Go . ~ Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture - Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture 205, 119, 251 Go Go . ~ Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture - Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture Furniture 205, 119, 251 Go Go . ~ LOW PRIM FURNITURE, FURNITURE, LOW PRIM FURNITURE, FURNITURE - LOW PRIM FURNITURE FURNITURE LOW PRIM FURNITURE FURNITURE LOW PRIM FURNITURE FURNITURE LOW PRIM FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE 206, 118, 251 Go Go . ~ LOW PRIM FURNITURE, FURNITURE, LOW PRIM FURNITURE, FURNITURE - LOW PRIM FURNITURE FURNITURE LOW PRIM FURNITURE FURNITURE LOW PRIM FURNITURE FURNITURE LOW PRIM FURNITURE FURNITURE FURNITURE 206, 117, 251 Go Go . ~ Low Prim Furniture, Furniture, Low Prim Furniture, Furniture - Low Prim Furniture Furniture Low Prim Furniture Furniture Low Prim Furniture Furniture Low Prim Furniture Furniture Furniture Oh, and yes, we are in business for "personal gain". You should try it sometime - it's good ...There is absolutely nothing wrong with being in business for personal gain. The issue is the manner in which the business is operated. _____________________
Maggie: We give our residents a lot of tools, to build, create, and manage their lands and objects. That flexibility also requires people to exercise judgment about when things should be used.
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 06:39
Someone using Search is not necessarily aware of the effect of Traffic bots on Search ranking. Your use of traffic bots was not "out in the open" in the sense that price setting and advertising are. Your use of cross-linked pages was only visible to those with technical insight and who went digging. It was not not "out in the open" Your use of alts for Picks is not not "out in the open". Yet again, here are relevant extracts from LL’s "Linden Lab Official earch Guidelines"Currently, the last update to that page was on January 7th. You might have missed it on the day, but you have been aware of them since yesterday at the very least as they were quoted in posts that you commented on. Perhaps you removed all your keyword stuffing yesterday? Maybe it’s just that the Search indexing hasn’t caught up with your modifications. At the moment, All Search serves this up for you: There is absolutely nothing wrong with being in business for personal gain. The issue is the manner in which the business is operated. _____________________
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Anna Gulaev
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01-10-2010 07:02
A correction to my earlier post: I do use keyword stuffing for one of my parcels. You mean the 50400 sq m one? Yeah, it's easy to forget those micro parcels. If it'll help, I give you a landmark so you can find the little bugger. |
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 07:08
You mean the 50400 sq m one? Yeah, it's easy to forget those micro parcels. If it'll help, I give you a landmark so you can find the little bugger. _____________________
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Sling Trebuchet
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01-10-2010 07:14
..... A correction to my earlier post: I do use keyword stuffing for one of my parcels. Hopefully, that will be rectified this month. .... Right now, you are knowingly in violation of Official LL policy statements and guidelines. You have known this from yesterday at the very least. Despite it being mentioned here, perhaps you also missed the Blog posting and the clear statement that Keyword stuffing is not welcome. ...... Relevance improvements. We've made some changes that will lower the rank of keyword-stuffed or gamed listings. This means that high-quality destinations and listings will rise to the top of Search results, creating a more satisfying search experience for Residents by connecting them with the best of Second Life...... You pretend to be honest and above board. Your determined gaming of Search is in view, but it is not "above board". "Hopefully" definitely does not cut it. "this month" (sometime) does not cut it. You can just go to the parcel and fix the violations. How long does it take to delete those objects? Read the LL statements. I didn't write them. LL did. _____________________
Maggie: We give our residents a lot of tools, to build, create, and manage their lands and objects. That flexibility also requires people to exercise judgment about when things should be used.
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 07:18
Right now, you are knowingly in violation of Official LL policy statements and guidelines. You have known this from yesterday at the very least. Despite it being mentioned here, perhaps you also missed the Blog posting and the clear statement that Keyword stuffing is not welcome. You pretend to be honest and above board. Your determined gaming of Search is in view, but it is not "above board". "Hopefully" definitely does not cut it. "this month" (sometime) does not cut it. You can just go to the parcel and fix the violations. How long does it take to delete those objects? Read the LL statements. I didn't write them. LL did. _____________________
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Sling Trebuchet
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01-10-2010 07:46
That's correct. I'm not willing to change it until the changes to the All search come along. ... You know you are in violation. You are not willing to change it. It is clear that LL are intent on stamping out the gaming of Search. You will continue gaming right up to the last possible moment that you think you can get away with. _____________________
Maggie: We give our residents a lot of tools, to build, create, and manage their lands and objects. That flexibility also requires people to exercise judgment about when things should be used.
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 08:07
You mean the 50400 sq m one? Yeah, it's easy to forget those micro parcels. If it'll help, I give you a landmark so you can find the little bugger. _____________________
Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices.
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Phil Deakins
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01-10-2010 08:10
You know you are in violation. You are not willing to change it. It is clear that LL are intent on stamping out the gaming of Search. You will continue gaming right up to the last possible moment that you think you can get away with. _____________________
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Ciaran Laval
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01-10-2010 08:13
Right now, you are knowingly in violation of Official LL policy statements and guidelines. You have known this from yesterday at the very least. Despite it being mentioned here, perhaps you also missed the Blog posting and the clear statement that Keyword stuffing is not welcome. Keyword stuffing is not against LL policy, not in any way shape or form. What they've said is that they will tweak search to ensure keyword stuffing isn't rewarded. A couple of issues, one, they should define keyword stuffing. If they mean using the same word over and over then it's a positive move, if they mean any keywords are bad then it's a bad move, the parcel description field is too small. |
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Sling Trebuchet
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Join date: 20 Jan 2007
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01-10-2010 08:32
When they banned traffic bots, I removed mine long before the stated date when the new rules would come into force. With keyword stuffing, they've said that they will change the system for it this month. I am very willing to change my page (remove the the kewword stuffing), in fact I positively want to do that - as you well know - but I've decided to wait until the changes are made this month. What I'm not willing to do is anything just to satisfy you. Ha! You are satisfying me very nicely by demonstrating what a fraud you are. During the threads on Traffic bots prior to the ban, you had a mantra to the effect that we had no way of knowing what LL's thinking on the topic might be. It has been crystal clear what their thinking on the gaming of search has been since that first step in banning the traffic bots and camping on 'for search' land. It is crystal clear from their latest statements that they continue to move against abusers like you. They have explicitly mention Keyword stuffing. In acknowledging the policy and refusing to abide by it, you demonstrate that your spoutings through all these threads has been no more than self-serving humbug. My bet is that when it becomes clear that LL have begin to punish keyword stuffing by reducing ranking, you will do your utmost to discover the level of stuffing that strikes the best balance between the positive and negative effects on ranking. What you do is fly as close to the wire as possible, completely disregarding the spirit of policy and looking for technical loopholes for your own advantage. That matches with the lowest form of business and social behaviour. That's the sort of 'business ethic' that has resulted in financial disaster for innocents in RL. _____________________
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