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Oryx Tempel
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10-10-2007 16:32
From: Bodie Bosch Just like IRL cops are crooks with badges, WTF is this supposed to mean?
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Tegg Bode
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10-11-2007 02:18
From: Raudf Fox Myself, I am of the "Freeze, dress 'em up, take snapshots and the the eject/ban" mentality myself. Auto return takes care of the mess and no push helps with some of the other issues. *shrugs* Last one that offered protection for money got the treatment  Hmm last 2 times I froze griefers they got unfrozen in a about 1 minute and escaped.
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Tegg Bode
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10-11-2007 02:25
From: Oryx Tempel
Originally Posted by Bodie Bosch Just like IRL cops are crooks with badges
WTF is this supposed to mean?
He has no real idea what a bad person is? He prefers no enforcement of road rules or vehicle roadworthyness and gun/ordinance ownership to be free for all? Probaly thinks the Fire Brigade and Ambulance are bludgers too.............
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Tegg Bode
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10-11-2007 02:28
From: Kalel Venkman Nearly all so-called anti-griefing groups use the same tools the griefers use, and therefore produce no benefit to the metaverse society. Moreover, the power to deal with griefers lies overwhelmingly with the landowners themselves, who have no need of outside interference to deal with griefers, since they have eject/ban tools at their disposal.
Of the remainder, abuse reports not only work, but they work well, thanks to the new system in place. Anti-griefing groups should focus on this and make it work for them. Anything else is just more of the same thing the griefers are doing, and as an earlier poster said, interacting with the griefers on any level but this is just giving them what they want. Trouble is with 16,000sims and only a similar number of non-bot residents online, landowners are rare to find, making the grid a smorgasboard for griefers.
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Tegg Bode
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10-11-2007 02:31
From: Bodie Bosch I ban and eject "security" and "police" officers on sight on any sims/parcels I have control of or live in. Just like IRL cops are crooks with badges, anti-griefers are an accident just waiting to happen. I let my banhammer do all of the talking for me, I do not need some SWAT knock-off-look-alike to do it for me. ;3 Yeah and you probably eject FireBrigade, Ambulance, Kids and clowns on sight too. Please ban me too, I don't want to soil my feet by accidently entering or shopping on the lands of one who just bans people on appearance.
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Bodie Bosch
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10-11-2007 07:26
From: Oryx Tempel WTF is this supposed to mean? Just what is says my friend. I worked as a state's officer for a while, as did a close buddy of mine. We left because of the corruption within even back-woods counties and offices. It's the criminals that stay being a cop. ;3
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Bodie Bosch
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10-11-2007 07:30
From: Tegg Bode Yeah and you probably eject FireBrigade, Ambulance, Kids and clowns on sight too. Please ban me too, I don't want to soil my feet by accidently entering or shopping on the lands of one who just bans people on appearance. Nope, just the swat and police with "SL" and "Linden" next to the word swat or police.... there are no such groups sanctioned officially by LL, it's against the TOS to pose as such and the majority of the people that I have encountered in these groups are glorified griefers. At least, that has been my past experience down to at least 85% of them when I met them face to face. Didn't matter where I met them too - some of the most obnoxious ones were at Help Island public and can be found at telehubs near you. Edit: I'll gladly add you to my ban lists on properties I manage... avoid the trouble straight off at your request.  I am pleased to aim.
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Chris Norse
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10-11-2007 07:44
From: Tegg Bode He has no real idea what a bad person is? He prefers no enforcement of road rules or vehicle roadworthyness and gun/ordinance ownership to be free for all? Probaly thinks the Fire Brigade and Ambulance are bludgers too............. In America gun ownership is pretty much free for all. That is the way it should be in a free society. As for road rules, most of them have more to do with making money for the state then they do for safety reasons. As for fire and ambulance, where I live I am served by volunteer firefighters and the ambulance service is privately owned.
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Brenda Connolly
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10-11-2007 07:46
From: Bodie Bosch Just what is says my friend. I worked as a state's officer for a while, as did a close buddy of mine. We left because of the corruption within even back-woods counties and offices. It's the criminals that stay being a cop. ;3 Yes there are bad cops, just as in any profession. And corruption is a problem in general in Government. But as someone who has quite a few family members on the job, Iyour comments as over generalized and personally offensive. Most law enforcement officers I've encountered are brave, honest professionals, who put their lives on the line for us every day.
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Kalderi Tomsen
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10-11-2007 08:11
Could we keep RL political issues out of the SL forums, please?
So Private Islands already have the tools they need to deal with the griefers - freeze, eject and ban are effective. I'm not as familiar with the mainland - those similar tools to ban and eject people exist there?
I guess I'm not seeing the need for private security/vigilante squads....
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Bodie Bosch
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10-11-2007 08:13
From: Brenda Connolly Yes there are bad cops, just as in any profession. And corruption is a problem in general in Government. But as someone who has quite a few family members on the job, Iyour comments as over generalized and personally offensive. Most law enforcement officers I've encountered are brave, honest professionals, who put their lives on the line for us every day. Agreed, been there and done that. As I said, the smart ones avoid it. Perhaps they have had the luck of not running into the problems I had personally. I wish them luck and as a former fellow officer, my respect. And as a former officer, I am entitled to my opinion, as general, broad brush painting and blanketing as it was. ;3
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Bodie Bosch
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10-11-2007 08:15
From: Kalderi Tomsen Could we keep RL political issues out of the SL forums, please? So Private Islands already have the tools they need to deal with the griefers - freeze, eject and ban are effective. I'm not as familiar with the mainland - those similar tools to ban and eject people exist there? I guess I'm not seeing the need for private security/vigilante squads.... The tools are there, but for parcel owners only. You would be able to affect any of the tools needed on your slice of the region/estate, but they will not work region-wide. So all you can do there on the mainland, unless you own the whole region is protect your part of it. Ownership is 9/10ths of the law here. ;3 The rest is handed down form on high from the benevolent keepers at LL.
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Brenda Connolly
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10-11-2007 08:33
From: Bodie Bosch And as a former officer, I am entitled to my opinion, as general, broad brush painting and blanketing as it was. ;3 Of that I can't argue. For your honest service you have my admiration.
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Bodie Bosch
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10-11-2007 09:42
From: Brenda Connolly Of that I can't argue. For your honest service you have my admiration. Aww, now thank you. You made me feel all melty now...group hugs! But seriously, police corruption IRL (OT, I know, but this is the last I will speak of it, promise!) is insidious. You have to weigh every situation against your own moral compass. More and more it was requested of me to handle things in a manner that was not just shady, but downright wrong - or easier said - "I would not like this to happen to me!" And some of the things requested were definitely contra-productive to law and basic civil rights - let alone respect for your fellow. Soon it became a matter of "Do it this way or turn in the uniform, badge and guns." Good thing I had a change of clothes in my locker that day. Officers have it rough, the moment they go out there, they are a walking blue shirted target. There are people that will come up and mess with you just to get a rise out of you or pick a fight. It takes a lot of character to deal with that and then to walk away - no harm, no foul. And then there are the countless days/nights/times when you walk into a situation blind. Like domestic disputes - you never know if a couple beating themselves to death will gun you down through the door in the light of a "common enemy" to their way of life, etc. Then there are the pushers and users....my worst night was when I had to detain someone so high on methamphetamine that you could smell the drug rotting through his flesh... One of a thousand memories I cannot forget - will not forget - indelibly etched on my mind that will *haunt* me for the rest of my years. My hat's off to yours and youn when it comes to your officer family members and friends - if they are indeed still good, steady and just officers. I couldn't hack it under the pressure of what I deep down KNEW I had to do and was being forced upon me as my "job". I went back to a day job, 8-5 shaping the future minds of children at a local University now. And you know what, the job is a cinch compared to the stress of patrolling a beat. Cakewalk in fact... But there is still a part of me that reflexively "thumbs off" the strap on my holster no longer at my hip when a professor beats on the door when campus-wide e-mail decides to purge his in-box for him. They can get downright ornery when that happens. *laugh* 
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Brenda Connolly
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10-11-2007 09:49
No, you are correct, it is a difficult thing to do, more "roadblocks" thrown up every day it seems. You've Walked the Walk, so it entitles you to Talk the Talk.
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