Was not allowed -Age Verification

Today I was flying over an area and just about to pass over a house and I was stopped in mid air. " You must be Age Verified" it said. First time I have had that message.
Thought I was verified due to payments from my CC and PayPal.

I'm in UK and not really wanting to pass personel information to the USA, without a great deal of thought.

How are others getting on with this?

Love
June

I haven't come across it yet June, but am in same frame of mind as you regarding my personal info. I'm also in the UK.

Age verification is via the Aristotle procedure you can access by signing in here, clicking my account on top, then clicking age verify at the left side.

Account verification is what you can do by using payment information.

They are not the same thing.

There are two types of verification, June: payment info and age verification. Payment info is enough to get you into adult areas, but some parcel owners can still set age verification (whether adult land or not). The only way around this is to send some form of ID that proves your age to the company handling Linden Lab's age verification procedure (which I believe is still Aristotle; can someone correct or confirm that?).

As a UK resident the usual options (driving license, National Insurance number, passport number) cannot be verified via Aristotle, since the UK Government does not generally allow those to be released into the public domain [lost/stolen civil servants' laptops notwithstanding ] so your only other recourse is something like a scan of your birth certificate and a utility bill showing your current address.

Since these are *only* needed to access the few parcels where the parcel owner has set age verification, and since you are concerned about sending this data out, then don't worry about it. Payment info will get you into most places, except these odd, occasional parcels. If you can live with that, then don't bother age verifying (half the time, even when people *have* age verified, those parcels still won't let them in, so it's hit and miss even if you *do* go for it).

There is a difference betwee "adult" land and land where the owner has set the parcel to "only allow age verified adults"

The first allows anyone with payment info on file

The second only allows those that have completed that adult verification thing on the website.

Zindra is the first thing, the second thing is a parcel option that I *think* can be used on any parcel in any type of sim.

And yes, seems silly to me too, its like having PG, mature, probably adult, definately probably adult.

Something similar happened to me two days ago June. Like yourself I thought I was age verified due to having CC details on file. I agree with you and Eve, I dont really want to pass personal information without a great deal of thought ... I am also from the UK.

Is it just me or is anyone else confused about all this ? I do not fully understand the different between an Adult and a Mature sim and will there be problems in the future if I do not become age verified ?

Hugs

Rayanna

Hi Rayanna;

There is a new 'adult' classification. Adult today is what Mature used to be. Mature today is more like PG used to be. (With the exception 'adult' things can happen in Mature land but behind closed doors.)

PG is the new, family friendly SL in a nutshell.

Adult things are now on their own continent - Zindra. Things left on the mainland should be Mature or PG now. But some parcels are still choosing what was always in the land tab for owners - the ability to ban anyone based upon lack of payment info, lack of age verification, and (I think) being under a month old in Second Life. Any or all of those can be chosen by land owners, this is nothing new.

It's up to each resident to decide whether what is on that particular parcel is worth feeding their information to Aristotle. (Seems very few are age verify - many are account verify. One can go to most places in Zindra with only account verify/payment info used. At least it seemed on my few quick tours, although it changes daily now as the lots fill up.)

I've been seeing more and more parcels using these settings lately. What's really annoying is that often the land owner has checked both boxes so you have to be age verified AND have PIOF to get into a (usually empty) parcel. I can only assume that landowners are doing this because they are confused about the Adult changes.

There's a jira to have these settings removed altogether ...

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4489

A piont I would raise is when a person can't enter these tagged places can they fly thier camera in and see the Adult things? In other words is it just the Avi that can't enter and join in?


To me if your house you can tick these 3 boxes and save yourself a Security system, is this what they intending or just not knowing how the things work.

Personally I think Linden should keep under 18's out, or 21's if that is adult in some countries. Mind you some countries might not allow anyone even adults to do adult SL. Think we all being made to suffer due to Linden on this.

West

I've noticed it more often too, although it's still rare. What makes no sense is the parcels often seem harmless. An ordinary club for instance.

Anything adult is supposed to be on Zindra now or soon, so, I am puzzled why anyone would want or need to age verify elsewhere, unless for some reason of their own.

(The exception being private islands, which did not move to Zindra. I am referring to 512 and 1024 single lots and such, on the mainland.)

i warned people about this some time ago and some insisted I was wrong.....

its ludicrous Ive paid by credit card and pay pal and they still want more info.

In the UK we have to be 18 to open a pay pal account or get a credit card. Why should any further age ident for UK users be necessary.

Lindens can identify us to take VAT payments so we shouldnt need to give further details.

I've come across a couple of such places. I just shrug and move on, it's a big grid, plenty of places to go.

I've come across this too. I also cannot age verify since I live in a country where such details are forbidden to be shared, so thankfully my payment info has been accepted. Even so some places forbid me. Maybe it's because I am young and beautiful and the owners are monsters with floppy bodies and ugly fizzogs. That is prolly the real reason. Ask Pep. He knows all about that sort of thing.

It's a question of good taste.

Pep (Those landowners must have some. )

Yes you can still cam in,
An adult sex pose ball shop owner refused to move to zindra and threatened to give up their successful business,even got the group members to join in a petition to send to LL.
Of course they did not win,in the the end they stayed where they are and flagged it adult.now everyone who wants to go there has to be age verified and PIOF is not enough,
I personally think not moving to zindra was cutting their own throat,many people on SL,like me,do not care to get age verified for all the reasons that have been given.
To only allow age verified avys,is cutting probably more than half their previous income from the business

I had that once or twice, so I verified (I'm from UK too) and it went through with no problems.

You should be outside in fresh air Pep, mowing your lawn. I must go off line in a while - packing up for my winter place.
Summer goes too quickly.
My seagull enjoyed lamb again today as I emptied out my fridge. My Mum will drive up to feed him when I am away.

I'm in UK also and no way am I going to hand over copies of any personal ID documents not already publically available to a very shady US data mining company. Nor to anyone else that I don't have to for that matter, in whichever country they are.

To my mind, if my paid up credit card connection with LL isn't good enough for any other resident, then their store/build isn't good enough for me either and it's their loss - I'd just go somewhere else. I won't lose sleep over it.

Incidentally, UK birth certificates specifically state on them that they are not to be used as ID confirmation. They are publically available documents and anyone can obtain an official copy of any registered UK born person's certificate on payment of the appropriate fee, by post or in person at the appropriate office. If Aristotle accepts them as ID verification, more fool them - it makes their database even more worthless.

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Aes

Aeslyn, if you have a passport wait until your about to renew it and use that, when you renew your passport it comes with completely new number anyway. If you have just got a new 10 year passport, that may be too long to wait, so just register using the old passport number, simple!

I rammed an adult verification parcel once, cammed inside, and realized that I wasn't missing anything by not verifying. (^_^)y

Almost no one uses it, so it's no big deal if you don't want to age verify.

Personally, for accessing Adult regions, I prefer using it to putting credit card information on file for alts. If someone figures out my password, their ability to rip me off is extremely limited. All Aristotle can do is sell my name to people who send me junk mail I throw away without reading. I'm not giving them much more information than is available in the phone book.

Alternatively, you can do the same thing with your Driving Licence. If you have an old paper one or a coloured photo' one - you could change it for a new black and white photo' one.

This land option has to be removed, completely, it's worthless and will cause more and more problems as time goes on.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4489

Agreed and already voted, if they want a catch all "account verified" option then fine but having age verification and piof as different options is plain silly.

So did mine but I was fortunate enough to verify early in concierge beta when the details they can't verify and don't need could be left blank.