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I'm Considering Having Weekend Sales Starting This Fall

Pyrite Sopwith
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09-03-2008 12:05
But I do have some questions regarding this matter:

1. If I were to have a traveling sale, are there any locations where I could rez objects for free (that are not sandboxes, that is)?

2. I did pick up some clothing items for free that I could sell to users. I will do an assessment to see what the average prices are, and I will see if I can sell them for less than the average.

3. Some outfits I did pick up are labeled L$1200 or L$599 on the box or something like that. If I were to sell them for close to the average prices (or just below that figure), would I have to disable the ability for others to copy, transfer, or resell/give away?
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09-03-2008 12:13
If any of what you have was acquired via a Business in a Box, I'd be very, very careful...a lot of the time, those items are stolen, ripped without the creator's permission via CopyBot.
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09-03-2008 12:17
Hi Pyrite and welcome to SL :)

I'm going to be honest with you, if you purchased a 'Business in a Box', you got either less that salable items (being nice here), or you got stolen content...which while beautiful, has already been basically rendered worthless due to the fact that it has been passed around full perm and most likely has been or will soon be relegated to the freebie boxes. That being said, who knows, maybe you got lucky!

I might be wrong and I don't know the particulars but I believe there are one or two malls who will provide a space to new players for very reduced rent. You can't sell from a sandbox, and while a weekend farmer's market is a good idea if it weren't for lag, nothing like that I know of either. Your best bet would be to buy or rent a parcel to set up on, but if I were you I would probably find a newcomer friendly (NCI comes to mind) area with some classes to help you to get to know about SL a little before you dive into a business.
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09-03-2008 15:15
From: Pyrite Sopwith
But I do have some questions regarding this matter:

2. I did pick up some clothing items for free that I could sell to users. I will do an assessment to see what the average prices are, and I will see if I can sell them for less than the average.



Why would you want to sell stuff that you got for free?? Even if the items aren't stolen, it's a bit dishonest for you to sell something when the buyer can get it for free elsewhere. Whenever I see someone running that type of business I think "scammer".
Pyrite Sopwith
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09-03-2008 16:58
From: Stephanie Misfit
Why would you want to sell stuff that you got for free?? Even if the items aren't stolen, it's a bit dishonest for you to sell something when the buyer can get it for free elsewhere. Whenever I see someone running that type of business I think "scammer".
Okay, so much for that idea.

It would be better for me to learn to design and script objects than to get something for free and try to sell them. For that, thanks for the heads up, but I think I will scrap my idea of a business and hold off on it for now. "Business in a Box" is one of those things that are deemed "too good to be true", IMO. I think I will take advantage of the time I have off from my RL job and starting soon I will gladly design new clothes for SL. I think it can take just a few minutes to create a single garment of clothing and possibly an entire wardrobe.

But it really was worth asking questions before I conduct such activity. Thanks to all of you, you folks protected me from getting banned from SL. It really is better to be creative and sell my own creations in SL. One-of-a-kind clothing items will sell really well, and a reward will come out of it.

But at least the clothes I got are freebies, and they will come in handy for my personal use.

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Hi Pyrite and welcome to SL :)
I've actually made my SL debut in December 2007, to be honest with you. ;)
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09-03-2008 17:13
From: Pyrite Sopwith
I think it can take just a few minutes to create a single garment of clothing and possibly an entire wardrobe.

hehehehe!
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09-03-2008 17:20
troll imo
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Pyrite Sopwith
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09-03-2008 18:00
From: Ralektra Breda
troll imo
Who's a troll?
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09-03-2008 18:04
From: Pyrite Sopwith
<snip> I think it can take just a few minutes to create a single garment of clothing and possibly an entire wardrobe.
</snip>


Good luck with that....
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Ann Launay
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09-03-2008 18:04
From: Pyrite Sopwith
I think it can take just a few minutes to create a single garment of clothing and possibly an entire wardrobe.

If you haven't taken a look at the Texturing Tips forum, you should. Making GOOD SL clothing takes far more than a 'few minutes.'
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09-03-2008 18:07
There are place I guess you could sell stuff like yard sales places that allow anyone to rezz stuff to sell or there use to be but I never used them usually they are only weekends.
I don't remember the name of place or if they are still around.
Often those places that cost very little or nothing anyone can sell items there so many there I would imagine only few people's content gets notices to be sold in first place.
My first shop was one of those 50L a week places nothing really ever was sold there that friend hadn't bought even that was rare.
Personally I spend numerous hours trying to make really high quality things and when I did spent more money then I earned to have shop space very few things sold, regardless of advertising which cost money too and very few sold to even cover the rent.
It is amazing though how some people put very little effort in content creation part and make tons of money or more then I ever made spending hours making something.
Who know maybe you'll me one of those marketing genius that can get rich of selling freebies or transferable items you bought or were given.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do though.
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09-03-2008 18:23
From: Pyrite Sopwith
I think it can take just a few minutes to create a single garment of clothing and possibly an entire wardrobe.


Now this I gotta see. :rolleyes:
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09-03-2008 18:30
From: Pyrite Sopwith
I think it can take just a few minutes to create a single garment of clothing and possibly an entire wardrobe.


mmmm well yes, provided you're just making a simple Tshirt or its ilk...if you're looking to create really saleable content then it will take you far longer. I don't make clothes myself but the one stab I had at it convinced me that, masses of competition apart, I needed to be one hell of a wiz with Photoshop.

Just TP to any mall or look on SLX etc for some idea of the competiton you'll face. But if that's your dream, go for it!

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09-03-2008 19:46
From: Pyrite Sopwith
... I think it can take just a few minutes to create a single garment of clothing and possibly an entire wardrobe.
Possibly, but I doubt the items will be real high quality and able to sell for much. I suggest not rushing it.




From: Pyrite Sopwith
But at least the clothes I got are freebies, and they will come in handy for my personal use.
The other thing that the BIAB clothes are good for is taking them apart to see how the prim parts are constructed.
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09-03-2008 19:54
From: LittleMe Jewell
The other thing that the BIAB clothes are good for is taking them apart to see how the prim parts are constructed.

yep, highly recommended, even if you endup a month later with the feeling you did nothing but gained basic techniques :)
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09-04-2008 01:12
From: Pyrite Sopwith
Who's a troll?


I am thinking that you are a troll. I understand that it is difficult to read 'tone' in the written word, but your comment:

From: Pyrite Sopwith
... I think it can take just a few minutes to create a single garment of clothing and possibly an entire wardrobe.


reads to me as dripping with sarcasm, and intended to incite those who spend hours doing what you think you might be able to do in just a few minutes.

Maybe you aren't a troll, maybe you are just...naive. Yes, that's it. Naive.
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09-04-2008 02:28
I am not a troll. If I was accused of being a troll more than three times, I would have left this forum by now. Calling someone a troll is considered disturbing and harassment, IMO. Especially to someone like me who is autistic. Such terminology could scare someone off for doing something innocent in his/her ways. I know of some users on other forums who were accused of such activity, and they were scared off in a heartbeat - and I think they were innocent in their ways.

And no, I wasn't being sarcastic when I said that it would take just a few minutes to create new clothes. It's just that I have poor judgment due to my autism, and such individual deserves to be accommodated. Yes, I get the picture - it does indeed take hours to learn, but once accustomed to it, it becomes easier and easier every time.

Back to the troll comment, trolls do not get banned from forums unless they end up committing harassment, swearing, or doing something very disturbing on such sites. I do ask questions, and that is a normal thing on forums. It is not considered trolling. So for that, Ralektra, you owe me an apology.

BTW, what is the actual definition of "troll"?
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09-04-2008 07:15
A few little SL rules to live by:

There are no sustaining get rich quick schemes in SL.

The bar for content quality available in SL is constantly being upped. To really stand out, serious effort needs to be put in.

Do what you love, be passionate about it, spend the time and energy and others will follow.

Selling items does not stop at making the item. Marketing can take even more time and energy sometimes.

Content theft is met with severe derision and while it may not get someone banned from SL, they will be ostracized and ousted out by the residents. SL is a small world really -- news can travel very fast.
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09-04-2008 07:32
From: Pyrite Sopwith
Yes, I get the picture - it does indeed take hours to learn, but once accustomed to it, it becomes easier and easier every time.

True, as far as it goes, but it's never going to take just a few minutes if you're aiming to produce quality work.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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09-04-2008 07:33
From: Pyrite Sopwith
I am not a troll. If I was accused of being a troll more than three times, I would have left this forum by now. Calling someone a troll is considered disturbing and harassment, IMO. Especially to someone like me who is autistic. Such terminology could scare someone off for doing something innocent in his/her ways. I know of some users on other forums who were accused of such activity, and they were scared off in a heartbeat - and I think they were innocent in their ways.

And no, I wasn't being sarcastic when I said that it would take just a few minutes to create new clothes. It's just that I have poor judgment due to my autism, and such individual deserves to be accommodated. Yes, I get the picture - it does indeed take hours to learn, but once accustomed to it, it becomes easier and easier every time.

Back to the troll comment, trolls do not get banned from forums unless they end up committing harassment, swearing, or doing something very disturbing on such sites. I do ask questions, and that is a normal thing on forums. It is not considered trolling. So for that, Ralektra, you owe me an apology.

BTW, what is the actual definition of "troll"?


As I said, it is difficult to read tone in the written word. And so, if I was mistaken in my interpretation of your statements regarding the amount of effort necessary to create clothing, then I apologize with gravity and sincerity.

From Wikipedia, "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."

If my interpretation of your comment as sarcastic and meant to incite an emotional response from those who actually spend hours doing what you had stated could be done in a few minutes had been correct, then 'troll' would have been exactly what you were. It appears that this was not your intent, and if this is the case then rest assured, you are not a troll :P

Again, my humblest apologies.
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09-04-2008 08:06
From: Ralektra Breda
From Wikipedia, "An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."


AAH FINALLY!!

For years I have been developing the above characteristics, fine tuning my ability to disrupt forums and antagonise it's users, however, I didnt know there was a collective name for people like me, it's wonderfull to finally feel like I have an Identity, to be labeled and pigeon holed.

My name is Porky Gorky and I am a TROLL!
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09-04-2008 08:17
From: Pyrite Sopwith

And no, I wasn't being sarcastic when I said that it would take just a few minutes to create new clothes. It's just that I have poor judgment due to my autism, and such individual deserves to be accommodated. Yes, I get the picture - it does indeed take hours to learn, but once accustomed to it, it becomes easier and easier every time.


So you have Autism. As you said, this results in poor judgment on your part as cleary established from your opening post. SL is full of thieves conmen (and women) and rip off merchants. Openly advertising that you have a developmental disability on a public Forum is not a good idea. You should never do that again.

As far as going into business is concerned, if you cannot tell the difference between a few minutes and a few weeks then I very much doubt you will have the cognative ability to successfully get a business up and running that generates any substantial income.

My advice to you, play around with textures and the build tools, priority number 1 is have fun. Do this for 6 months to a year, try and make friends and learn the markets and tools of SL.

Once you fully understand the world then maybe make a more serious attempt at starting a business, ideally with a friend you trust in world who can make up for your lack of judgement and any other deficiencies you may have as a result of your disability.
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09-04-2008 08:29
From: Porky Gorky
Blah blah blah


Nevertheless, as you can see from Porky's posts, you certainly don't need to be able to type accurately, spell or punctuate correctly to participate here.

Pep (You definitely don't need to be honest or sincere, so you can stop that right away)
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Pyrite Sopwith
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09-04-2008 10:47
From: Porky Gorky
As you said, this results in poor judgment on your part as cleary established from your opening post. SL is full of thieves conmen (and women) and rip off merchants. ... You should never do that again.
My humblest apologies. Thanks for the reminder. That said, I wish that post was deleted.

From: Porky Gorky
As far as going into business is concerned, if you cannot tell the difference between a few minutes and a few weeks then I very much doubt you will have the cognative ability to successfully get a business up and running that generates any substantial income.
All I want to do is earn some lindens. Not any heavy volume of lindens. I don't intend to purchase or lease land any time soon to build a house.

From: Porky Gorky
My advice to you, play around with textures and the build tools, priority number 1 is have fun. Do this for 6 months to a year, try and make friends and learn the markets and tools of SL.
I will do that. Thanks for the advice.

From: Porky Gorky
Once you fully understand the world then maybe make a more serious attempt at starting a business, ideally with a friend you trust in world who can make up for your lack of judgement and any other deficiencies you may have as a result of your disability.
Oh, I think I can make some friends who are experts in such field. I may even have one or two already, but as a precautionary measure I won't post his/her user identity here.
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09-04-2008 11:15
It's already been said, but bears repeating, just take your time and learn the tools. Learn to use Gimp or photoshop if you want to make clothes. If I were a clothing maker, I would have been offended by your comment as well, but reading further, I see you didn't mean it as an insult. Good clothing makers spend hours and hours on each piece they do. It's not something you can just toss together in a few minutes.

You're taking the right approach in not feeling like ou have to immediately make big L in Second Life. Just have fun, follow your creative instincts and enjoy what you do. If you make some Lindens, good. If not, you had fun. I've been in Second Life well over a year now, and I'm just getting around to oppening up a little storefront and putting some stuff up for sale. I have Lindens to play with, so i don't care if i make some or not. I figure I'll try this for three or four months and if people don't like it, or I don't enjoy doing it, I'll move on to the next thing.
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