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Non-entry due to no age verification.....

Czari Zenovka
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03-12-2008 21:13
...when I am. :confused:

Was at a sim earlier and I could walk around parts of it, but not other parts. It was like walking into an invisible wall and I would get the message - age verification missing from alerts.xml.

Thing is, I *am* age-verified, even double-checked it on My Account page.

The only thing I can think of is that recently some items went missing from my inventory and in an effort to retrieve them, I deleted the C:\Documents and Settings\'User Name'\Application Data\SecondLife folder, which apparently "rebuilds" itself next logon.

Does anyone have a clue about the alerts.xml file and how to fix that?

Many thanks in advance.

Totally puzzled about this.
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Ricardo Harris
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03-12-2008 21:19
This age thing is the biggest piece of crap they could of thought of. Like if it's really going to stop underage people from entering sl. All it will do is inconvenience residents as well as put their rl info out there.
Toy Halfpint
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03-12-2008 21:39
all underage people will be age verified. and be the first to do so.
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Czari Zenovka
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03-12-2008 22:11
I agree with you both...still hoping for a way to figure out what this mysterious alerts.xml thing is :mad:

ESPECIALLY after I did go ahead and verify. /mumbles darkly
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Nina Stepford
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03-12-2008 22:26
does alerts.xml even exist ? if it does, try renaming it to 'alerts.xml.bak' then relogging. perhaps a fresh downloaded copy will fix your problem.
Viktoria Dovgal
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03-12-2008 22:39
The alerts.xml message comes from older clients that don't know about the new verification flag, but that shouldn't have an effect on whether or not you can get into a given parcel. The access itself would be handled on the server side.
Czari Zenovka
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03-12-2008 23:22
From: Nina Stepford
does alerts.xml even exist ? if it does, try renaming it to 'alerts.xml.bak' then relogging. perhaps a fresh downloaded copy will fix your problem.


I did a search on my PC for this file and lo and behold about 10 by that name came up. The only difference I could detect was the language. I opened the English one but was hit with coding language that made my eyes go buggy.

I am using an older viewer so I may have to update that as much as I live by the addage "If it ain't broke don't fix it." :)

Thank you for your response :)
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Czari Zenovka
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03-12-2008 23:23
From: Viktoria Dovgal
The alerts.xml message comes from older clients that don't know about the new verification flag, but that shouldn't have an effect on whether or not you can get into a given parcel. The access itself would be handled on the server side.


That's what I was wondering...if I was running into an issue because I'm still running an older client. I guess the only way to test that theory is to download a newer version and check.

Thanks so much for responding :)
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Qie Niangao
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03-13-2008 06:15
Hope you'll post back here what you find. Back when all this was first supposed to work, I set up a little age-restricted test parcel (there's nothing much in that parcel, so no need to queue-up for entry :p ), and I would get that obscure "alerts.xml" message with older clients, but it would only happen for my non-verified alts (who weren't also Owners in the parcel-owning group). So... if you're age-verified and seeing that message, something sure seems b0rked. (I'm wondering if it could possibly be that a server update has made all age-restricted parcels inaccessible to everybody but nobody noticed since nobody's setting age restrictions anymore.)
Ricardo Harris
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03-13-2008 08:17
Why would anyone restrict their lands by using this age verification contraption? I mean places of business. Hmm.. residential areas too, why not?

In places of business all you're doing is curtailing more people from coming in which in turn reduces the traffic that buys from you. Hence, less business for shops. In your place of residence you don't even need this as you can restrict people from coming in by other means.

This is just a lame attempt to make it seem like something worthwhile and usable is actually doing something for the benefits of the "kids." It's just a waste of time which will be annoying as well as time consuming as you'll soon find out. Besides, this isn't going to stop anyone from entering sl if they really wanted to.

Another thing, when this brilliant idea was first announced I recall reading if anyone really wanted they could find out private personal information on residents thru' this program. Does this still go? Regardless, it's not a good idea.
Colette Meiji
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03-13-2008 08:20
From: Ricardo Harris
Why would anyone restrict their lands by using this age verification contraption? I mean places of business. Hmm.. residential areas too, why not?


Some people really beleive LL that this system is just around the corner, and want to be ready for it.

Remember LL's plan is to REQUIRE self-rating of content subject to your neighbor turning you in.
Qie Niangao
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03-13-2008 08:33
From: Ricardo Harris
Another thing, when this brilliant idea was first announced I recall reading if anyone really wanted they could find out private personal information on residents thru' this program. Does this still go? Regardless, it's not a good idea.
Agreed that the whole thing is absurd and barely credible even as the media window-dressing for which it was intended. But I think the only private information that would be revealed--and that, only by observation--is the willingness to be age-verified. It's not supposed to show up in the Profiles (it kinda did, we think, when first test-implemented, but that field of the profile was so whacked in that first client that it's kinda hard to tell for sure just what was in there). But if you follow somebody around and watch them bump into age restricted parcels, or enter without barrier, you do know something about them that one might not really want to reveal. Take the extreme example of a kid AV: they're kinda damned either way, because if they age verify, there'd be questions of what evil ageplay they're up to, and if they don't, there's the (stupid) question of whether they're RL underage. So, whatever they do, they probably wouldn't want it public knowledge.
Czari Zenovka
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03-13-2008 08:36
From: Qie Niangao
Hope you'll post back here what you find.



I will definitely post an update when I get to the bottom of this. :)


From: Qie Niangao
Back when all this was first supposed to work, I set up a little age-restricted test parcel (there's nothing much in that parcel, so no need to queue-up for entry :p ), and I would get that obscure "alerts.xml" message with older clients, but it would only happen for my non-verified alts (who weren't also Owners in the parcel-owning group). So... if you're age-verified and seeing that message, something sure seems b0rked.


If you still have that test parcel set up, I would love to come over and see if I get the same message there. Although I have a feeling I would.


From: Qie Niangao
(I'm wondering if it could possibly be that a server update has made all age-restricted parcels inaccessible to everybody but nobody noticed since nobody's setting age restrictions anymore.)


Well, here's the odd thing: I was on this property with my partner and we were walking along until I hit the invisible wall with the "alerts.xml" message and he kept going. Both of us age-verified. The only difference is he keeps updating his viewer to the most recent one and I'm still using ver. 1.18.5.3 with the Nicholaz BE-v viewer.

Keeping up with all the different viewers SL brings out *plus* which Nicholaz viewer works with which one is a real pain and this viewer has served me well so I'm not one that wants to be upgrading just to upgrade if I don't have to.

And overall it's not a big deal as this is the first time I've run into this "age verified" ban...although I AM verified :mad:...plus the land was a tiny island off the coast of a large educational sim which is where we were exploring in the first place and just happened to spy what looked like a cute little area, so it's not like a place I'm dying to return to.

Another kind of "puzzlement" - the land appeared to be PG - very mild Mature. The pose balls were mainly just the "holding her" types...nothing sexual. My partner walked around and didn't see anything that would be offensive if one were underage.

My main annoyance is having gone through this whole age verification deal and it STILL not working. Oh...but I'm on SL. *hand palms* Silly me :p
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Colette Meiji
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03-13-2008 08:39
From: Czari Zenovka

Another kind of "puzzlement" - the land appeared to be PG - very mild Mature. The pose balls were mainly just the "holding her" types...nothing sexual. My partner walked around and didn't see anything that would be offensive if one were underage.

My main annoyance is having gone through this whole age verification deal and it STILL not working. Oh...but I'm on SL. *hand palms* Silly me :p


I think there will be many people who "Age-verify" their land with the idea that it will keep out griefers.


Not that it will work, but people originally tried it with payment-info-on-file status.
Qie Niangao
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03-13-2008 09:02
From: Czari Zenovka
If you still have that test parcel set up, I would love to come over and see if I get the same message there.
Be my guest: it's at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Shinsa/150/118/54. But I'm guessing things are even more b0rked than we know: I just tried to re-test this with my oldest viewer (1.18.5 (3)) and my unverified alt, and he just waltzed right into the parcel, despite it still being restricted to age-verified only. I rechecked that he wasn't a group Owner (nor Officer, nor anything interesting), and even double-checked that he hadn't verified himself while I wasn't watching :p , and he really shouldn't be able to get in there. So... I have no idea what's going on. I guess "beta" means "expect truly random behavior."
Isabeau Imako
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03-13-2008 09:15
From: Qie Niangao
Be my guest: it's at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Shinsa/150/118/54. But I'm guessing things are even more b0rked than we know: I just tried to re-test this with my oldest viewer (1.18.5 (3)) and my unverified alt, and he just waltzed right into the parcel, despite it still being restricted to age-verified only. I rechecked that he wasn't a group Owner (nor Officer, nor anything interesting), and even double-checked that he hadn't verified himself while I wasn't watching :p , and he really shouldn't be able to get in there. So... I have no idea what's going on. I guess "beta" means "expect truly random behavior."



Did you use the same RL name when you made your alt? Would that make any difference? Since it is _you_ who is aged verified...
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Czari Zenovka
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Update
03-13-2008 09:26
Ok, to test out the theory that this age-verification deal is only recognized by more recent viewers, I just tried ver 1.19.0.5. In the notes it mentions something about age verification being smoother with this version (or words to that effect).

Went back to the island...hit the invisible wall again...BUT, this time instead of just getting a curt "alerts.xml" message, I was greeted with a "friendlier" message of "You are not age-verified. Would you like to go to (website location) where you can verify your age?" I clicked yes and landed right back on My Account page - which declares in bold green letters that I *am* verified.

/bangs head on desk and thinks this is going to be a long day
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Czari Zenovka
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03-13-2008 09:29
From: Colette Meiji
I think there will be many people who "Age-verify" their land with the idea that it will keep out griefers.


Not that it will work, but people originally tried it with payment-info-on-file status.


At least with this particular land I encountered that is exactly right. When I first landed there was a message that anyone with no payment-info-on-file would be permitted. Ok, no problem, I have payment info on file. The message continued to say that the owner regretted having to do that but had had quite a lot of trouble with griefers.

I was able to walk around on some of the land, but then was hit with the age-verification barrier on others.
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Czari Zenovka
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03-13-2008 09:37
From: Qie Niangao
Be my guest: it's at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Shinsa/150/118/54. But I'm guessing things are even more b0rked than we know: I just tried to re-test this with my oldest viewer (1.18.5 (3)) and my unverified alt, and he just waltzed right into the parcel, despite it still being restricted to age-verified only. I rechecked that he wasn't a group Owner (nor Officer, nor anything interesting), and even double-checked that he hadn't verified himself while I wasn't watching :p , and he really shouldn't be able to get in there. So... I have no idea what's going on. I guess "beta" means "expect truly random behavior."


Welp, just tried your test parcel with both my older and newer viewers....got the dreaded "alerts.xml" message with both. (Plus a red border surrounding the entrance also declaring I was not age verified. At least with that I didn't blindly hit an invisible wall and had a bit of warning. lol)

Back to the drawing table.
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Cunundrum Alcott
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03-13-2008 09:43
Why don't people go through the age verification process? Maybe I'm not understanding...I did it awhile ago.
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03-13-2008 09:44
From: Isabeau Imako
Did you use the same RL name when you made your alt? Would that make any difference? Since it is _you_ who is aged verified...
Well, yeah, I use my real RL name for all accounts, but the alt's account still shows as not being age-verified, and he couldn't get into the parcel before, when I was testing out all this nonsense. (At that point, I was trying to establish which specific parcel permission made a group Owner able to access the group-owned age-restricted parcel even if not age-verified. I can't remember what I found, though. Well, it seemed significant at the time. :o )
Aeval Okelly
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03-13-2008 09:53
I'm age verified and I have the problem every-so-often. I even had it on my own purchased land at one point and removed it because I couldn't even get in even after being verified.

I wish they would figure it out. As a club owner with areas that will be pretty explicit I would like to know that at least I can say I told people they had to be 18 and tried to protect it. I know that you can't keep everyone out of a virtual land, but making it a little bit more difficult will help.

This age thing is one reason why my avatar remains a virgin. lol I really don't want to find out the person I've decided to spend an evening with isn't over 18. ick.

Please keep us up-to-date if you come across any fixes and I'll do the same.
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03-13-2008 09:55
From: Qie Niangao
Well, yeah, I use my real RL name for all accounts, but the alt's account still shows as not being age-verified, and he couldn't get into the parcel before, when I was testing out all this nonsense.


Thanx, I was curious to know.



From: Cunundrum Alcott
Why don't people go through the age verification process? Maybe I'm not understanding...I did it awhile ago.


There are many reasons. For me, it was because I didn't have a Driver's Permit and didn't want to give out my SIN (that's a no-no in CAN). I also haven't gotten around renewing my passport. There are other ways to verify I suppose, like sending your info via snail-mail, but for the moment I just don't want to go through that hassle. I really don't think it will limit many places I enjoy, anyway. But that's just me.
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Cunundrum Alcott
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03-13-2008 09:56
It's not mandatory to limit your parcels as far as I know?
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03-13-2008 09:59
From: Cunundrum Alcott
Why don't people go through the age verification process? Maybe I'm not understanding...I did it awhile ago.


She did, thats the core of her problem.

She is age verified but still being rejected by the age verification block.
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