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Maya Remblai
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09-05-2008 21:18
From: Ponsonby Low
Hmn.....forgive me if this no-doubt common question has been rehashed ad nauseum on the Forums, but:

Pluto.......Furry? Goofy.....NOT Furry?


Well like I said it depends on who you're talking to really. Pluto does not speak, a big part of being furry, but he does have human emotions, expressions, and thoughts. He's also stylized to the point of not counting as anything BUT furry. BUT, he walks on all fours, so most would not call him furry.

Goofy walks upright and talks, putting him firmly in the furry position. However, he doesn't look remotely like a dog (or anything else) so some may argue that he isn't a furry. There's also the fact that he acts exactly as a human, with no animal traits at all, which most furries have. Bugs Bunny at least lives in a hole in the ground, for instance.

Of course, being toons their furry status isn't usually up for debate anyway...Furry is almost always reserved for characters with a greater degree of animal traits. In general, the term almost always applies to fully animal characters (no weres, nekos, or halfbloods) who walk upright in human fashion, speak, and are capable of using tools, clothing, etc. The ratio of human to animal behavior varies, but usually doesn't slip into fully human behavior. At the least the characters are aware of their own and others' species, and related habits.

For example, compare these two webcomics:

http://www.inherittheearth.net/
http://cyantian.net/

The former features furries whose behavior is almost purely human - they recognize themselves as uplifted animals, but otherwise act like medieval humans.

The latter features furries who have developed societies of their own, based on their species' needs and habits. They still act like animals in some ways: paying attention to scent, growling when upset, etc.
Mjolnir Uriza
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09-05-2008 21:19
From: Ponsonby Low
Hmn.....forgive me if this no-doubt common question has been rehashed ad nauseum on the Forums, but:

Pluto.......Furry? Goofy.....NOT Furry?



i think that is backwards, pluto: is mickeys pet dog so not a furry

goofy: two legged caststrophy waiting to happen, bi-pedal so furry
Malina Chuwen
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09-05-2008 21:38
From: Ceera Murakami
Yes, to the best of my knowledge. But they tend to be laggy, and not as welcoming to new furries as some of the other sims mentioned. Depends on who you run into in Furnation. It';s a big place, and has both good and bad...


Oh my.. I bet I know the owners of that SIM! ;) Gonna have to get me a furry suit and trot on over some time, lol. I loved playing a furry on another game, not sure why I haven't done so on here too.
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Dakota Tebaldi
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09-05-2008 21:52
From: Maya Remblai
Well like I said it depends on who you're talking to really. Pluto does not speak, a big part of being furry, but he does have human emotions, expressions, and thoughts. He's also stylized to the point of not counting as anything BUT furry. BUT, he walks on all fours, so most would not call him furry.

Goofy walks upright and talks, putting him firmly in the furry position. However, he doesn't look remotely like a dog (or anything else) so some may argue that he isn't a furry. There's also the fact that he acts exactly as a human, with no animal traits at all, which most furries have. Bugs Bunny at least lives in a hole in the ground, for instance.

Of course, being toons their furry status isn't usually up for debate anyway...Furry is almost always reserved for characters with a greater degree of animal traits. In general, the term almost always applies to fully animal characters (no weres, nekos, or halfbloods) who walk upright in human fashion, speak, and are capable of using tools, clothing, etc. The ratio of human to animal behavior varies, but usually doesn't slip into fully human behavior. At the least the characters are aware of their own and others' species, and related habits.


I would propose that the above-mentioned particulars would similarly disqualify Anubis, even in his modern-day interpretations (i.e. with a tail, etc) as a furry. Aside from his appearance, one could argue that Anubis (as well as the other hybrid gods) does not exhibit any animal traits.
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Maya Remblai
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09-05-2008 22:01
From: Dakota Tebaldi
I would propose that the above-mentioned particulars would similarly disqualify Anubis, even in his modern-day interpretations (i.e. with a tail, etc) as a furry. Aside from his appearance, one could argue that Anubis (as well as the other hybrid gods) does not exhibit any animal traits.


Good point. All in all it's really a matter of opinion I guess. I, personally, would consider most Anubis avatars in SL as being more or less furry...Most of them are basically animals. But note that I didn't say a character can't act totally human and not be considered a furry - it's just that there are a lot more animal-like furries than there are human-like ones.
Winter Ventura
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09-05-2008 23:18
Anubis was a god, with the head of a jackal, and the body of a human (humanoid god). He was not "a jackal".



Anubis avatars that represent Anubis as a man, with the head of a Jackal, would therefore not be "furries".. Anubis avatars that are made out of Stargate "Jaffa" armor, also would not be furries.

"Anubis" avatars that represent Anubis as an anthropomorphic jackal wearing egyptian raments.. WOULD be furries.
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Tegg Bode
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09-06-2008 00:21
From: Winter Ventura
Anubis was a god, with the head of a jackal, and the body of a human (humanoid god). He was not "a jackal".



Anubis avatars that represent Anubis as a man, with the head of a Jackal, would therefore not be "furries".. Anubis avatars that are made out of Stargate "Jaffa" armor, also would not be furries.

"Anubis" avatars that represent Anubis as an anthropomorphic jackal wearing egyptian raments.. WOULD be furries.


Hmm, so is a Wookie a Furry? :)
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Winter Ventura
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09-06-2008 01:11
From: Tegg Bode
Hmm, so is a Wookie a Furry? :)


no, a wookie is an alien creature. An Ewok on the other hand, would come closer to a sort of furry. However, if we follow this through the more recent films, Watto, and JarJar, and to some degree Sebulba.. while not specifically actually possing of "fur" are far closer to Furries, in that they are "cartoonish anthropomorphs"..

There is the argument of "clothes" as well. Goofy wears clothes, Pluto doesn't. Ewoks wear primitive clothing, but Wookies are far more primitive in terms of clothing.

Unfortunately, we're not permitted to link webpages on the forums, so I can't give clearer examples of what "is" a furry.. but there is the old "I know it when I see it".

Generally, Furries are anthropomorphic, cartoonized animals, who are not entirely aware of their status as animals. They generally interact with society in a way in which they are considered "human" or "people".. where their status as animals is treated at most, like a different race or ethnic background. One might liken this to the interactions between various members of "The Muppet Show".. while Kermit was a frog, and Miss Piggy was a pig, it's clear that they are both "people" and thus their longstanding romantic relationship is never called into question. Juxtapose this against the other animals appearing in the series, for example Camilla and the other chickens.. and the occassional passing duck. They are generally "just animals" although Camilla is given a personality, and allowed a relationship as well, with Gonzo (who no one is sure what he is).

While Kermit remains a frog, his life is more like that of a person. He wears clothes (most often just costumes for skits) he plays the banjo, files paperwork, makes phone calls.. runs a theatre... etc. Piggy, far from rooting around in the mud, takes great care in her appearance, wears only the latest fashions, and fancies herself a movie star. Gonzo, is a plumber, turned performer. Fozzie bear, wears a hat and tie, and seems to have a desire for a career in vaudeville comedy.

In most fur comics that I have seen, Furries wear clothes, shirts, ties, pants, skirts, shoes, etc.. They are ususally a bit more humanized than your average Disney or Warner toon. They have relationships, jobs, heartbreaks and silly fun.. I would argue that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, are probably THE number one most recognizeable example of what is a "furry". Their situations depend on the worlds they inhabit. When the turtles were strange mutants, they were in hiding. In worlds where there are many mutants and weird cartoon types, they are right at home.
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Mjolnir Uriza
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09-06-2008 01:16
gonzo's an alien from another plant sent here to be an emasery for earth

gods don't you watch the movies
Winter Ventura
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09-06-2008 01:56
One could also look at the behaviours of the characters from "The Jungle Book (disney). In the disney film, all the animals were "animals" and while they had some humanized characteristics, there were not "furries". Yet, when you take those very same characters, and Juxtapose them into the world of "Tale Spin" they become furries. The moment that Baloo puts on a khaki shirt and becomes a bush pilot, and the moment that Sheer Khan puts on a business suit, they cross that "line".
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-06-2008 02:02
tbh, i don`t get the fur vs gor thing

awhile back when people were complaining alot, i got a fur avi and went all over the grid for fun only to find nothing but silence (yes, even gor sims)
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09-06-2008 02:10
From: Alicia Sautereau
tbh, i don`t get the fur vs gor thing

awhile back when people were complaining alot, i got a fur avi and went all over the grid for fun only to find nothing but silence (yes, even gor sims)


I went to a gor sim (unintentionally, a friend TPed me) in a HUMAN anime avatar, and got harrassed and kicked for being "a furry",
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Dakota Tebaldi
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09-06-2008 05:44
From: Winter Ventura
Anubis was a god, with the head of a jackal, and the body of a human (humanoid god). He was not "a jackal".

http://www.linsdomain.com/gods&goddesses/pictures/relief-anubis.jpg

Anubis avatars that represent Anubis as a man, with the head of a Jackal, would therefore not be "furries".. Anubis avatars that are made out of Stargate "Jaffa" armor, also would not be furries.

"Anubis" avatars that represent Anubis as an anthropomorphic jackal wearing egyptian raments.. WOULD be furries.


But Anubis sometimes certainly was portrayed simply as a jackal. The determinative hieroglyph in his name is a jackal laying on a dias, and full statues of the god depicted that way have been found. The most famous I can think of was found in KV 65; that's the one you can find copies of in every pseudo-Egyptian mystical curio shop on earth. In fact, I think I saw someone selling them in SL too...
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09-06-2008 06:42
From: Dakota Tebaldi
But Anubis sometimes certainly was portrayed simply as a jackal. The determinative hieroglyph in his name is a jackal laying on a dias, and full statues of the god depicted that way have been found. The most famous I can think of was found in KV 65; that's the one you can find copies of in every pseudo-Egyptian mystical curio shop on earth. In fact, I think I saw someone selling them in SL too...


That would also not be a Furry.
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