Oh no! I sell the Tiny Hippo Habitat, for Hippo tinies!
Does this mean I have to rename it? Tiny Sea Elephant Habitat maybe?
(I kid.)
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Cocoanut Koala
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03-24-2008 22:14
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Gusher Castaignede
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03-24-2008 22:33
I also question the SL letters. Way before this agreement update came about I created an item bearing those letters to clarify that my item is an item used in Second Life.
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Alicia Sautereau
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03-24-2008 22:34
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Ray Musketeer
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03-24-2008 22:35
pu is also 2/3's of a pun
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Gusher Castaignede
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03-24-2008 22:39
they`ll have a field day over at sl.com wich are SL™  Look at the government Trademark database and search SL Well, Many came up! All different companies!! http://www.uspto.gov/ |
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Alicia Sautereau
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03-24-2008 22:46
Look at the government Trademark database and search SL Well, Many came up! All different companies!! http://www.uspto.gov/ lol 474 Records(s) found still think sl.com is funniest as they are located in SF aswell like LL SL, SL-GMS, GMS, Enterprise RTView, SL Corporation and the SL logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Sherrill-Lubinski Corporation in the United States and other countries. © 1999-2008 Sherrill-Lubinski Corporation. All rights reserved. lets see where the crap flies, not going to change a thing besides what i`ve planned, my local judge will throw philly in an institution here hehe _____________________
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Adz Childs
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03-24-2008 22:56
So you don't have to worry about violating this policy in chat, I've created the Second Life(R) Trademark Compliance Gesture Pack v1.
It intercepts the word secondlife and replaces it with Second Life ® ...replaces SL with SL™ ...lindenlab with Linden Lab® ...Your World, Your Imagination is replaced Your World, Your Imagination™ and a few others It is available at the forum cartel clubhouse, amongst the other freebie boxes. Enjoy! _____________________
http://slnamewatch.com — Second Life Last Name Tracking — Email Alerts — Famous People Lookup — http://adz.secondlifekid.com/ — Artificial Boy — Personal Blog
Hmm, there's nothing really helpful there, but thanks for pasting. |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-24-2008 23:00
 The above image is an abandoned trademark. The InSL logo looks like the libsecondlife logo.  I guess libsecondlife will have to change it's name. libshoopedlife might work. _____________________
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Alicia Sautereau
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03-24-2008 23:05
you know what`s funny?
LL and RL aren`t trademarked, Linden Lab & Linden Research must have been glitch with the kids slamming on the keyboard _____________________
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Snowman Jiminy
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03-24-2008 23:09
Kleenex. Diet Coke. Ford. Second Life. SL. Linden Lab. Our World, Your Money. There, I said them. Send in the feds! If they think I'm gonna stick a little R in a circle on it every time I type those words, they got another think coming. If they're going to get all exercised about me typing their name, I can easily just start referring to SL with some of my other names for it, which I've had for several years now: Snooty Life, Sucky Life, and Slutty Life, and S****y Life. I don't think they mean this for us at all, though, in terms of posting things, or typing in chat. I think they mean it altogether for people using the words Second Life as part of their business names. That CRAPOLA they wrote about, "How to properly refer to us, besides 'Your Majesties,'" notwithstanding. coco Mercedes might have something to say about use of those two letters, that also happen to precede T and M in the alphabet. The real upshot of this is that if you use the terms that they don't want you to and you do something they don't like, they can ban you from using their system, and give a reason, although the ToS says they don't have to have a reason. Secondly, you will get a letter or email. I am sure that anyone who accidentally does not use the PU TMs properly, but happens to be raving about how wonderful it is, will have a blind eye turned. If everyone really did start using PU instead..... OMG, that would genuinely be funny ! _____________________
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Madhu Maruti
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03-24-2008 23:10
You can go the USPTO site at http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=i1q6tb.1.1 and see at least some of the linden research entries in the USPTO listing by search for owner name and address and putting linden research in as search terms. SL shows as being trademarked in 2007. Does prior use have any bearing on the validity of such things? They've trademarked Hippo also. And 2ND life. They've tradmarked the word grid. Ha ha ha. Thank you god, for not making me be a lawyer. You know, if you *were* a lawyer you might understand the relative significance of some of the items you mentioned. That might not be as much fun as sneering at them, granted, but it seems kind of excessive to thank God for making you a person who hasn't yet learned the meanings of certain terms of art. Linden Labs submitted an application in the United States Patent and Trademark Office for federal registration of the mark "SL" in 2007. That application has not matured into a registration. The same is true of the marks "GRID" and "HIPPO" that you mention. It's not really correct to say that Linden has "trademarked" any of these words, though I think these applications for registration are what you are referring to. What they have done is apply for federal registration of a number of marks they use in their business. Whether those registrations will be allowed depends upon a number of factors, including use of the marks by others on related goods and services to the ones LL has specified in its application. If those registrations are allowed, it will give Linden Labs certain rights - but again, those rights may be limited against senior users of the marks in related areas. It's important to remember that one can use a trademark without obtaining federal registration of it. Federal registration grants certain enforcement rights, like the right to sue for infringement in federal court and the benefit of certain evidentiary presumptions about one's use of the mark, but it's not a blanket power to exclude all other uses of the words of the trademark in any context, nor even a blanket power to exclude all other uses of those words as a trademark by others. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-24-2008 23:18
Thank you, god, for not making me be a lawyer with a stick up my butt about my profession.
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03-25-2008 00:28
You know, if you *were* a lawyer you might understand the relative significance of some of the items you mentioned. That might not be as much fun as sneering at them, granted, but it seems kind of excessive to thank God for making you a person who hasn't yet learned the meanings of certain terms of art. OMG EVERYBODY IT'S AN INTERNET LAWYER! _____________________
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Maggie McArdle
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03-25-2008 00:34
Kinda ironic: Your World™ Your World LindenLab's ©®™ Way "fixed" ************************ /me watches the horizon for the threat that made Linden Lab©®™ implement this new ToS blurb _____________________
There's, uh, probably a lot of things you didn't know about lindens. Another, another interesting, uh, lindenism, uh, there are only three jobs available to a linden. The first is making shoes at night while, you know, while the old cobbler sleeps.You can bake cookies in a tree. But the third job, some call it, uh, "the show" or "the big dance," it's the profession that every linden aspires to.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-25-2008 00:58
The Pixel Universe - in the comic strip Pixel, which I don't recall seeing before, althouth it seems like something I would have come across.
http://pixelcomic.net/086.shtml You really need to read the whole strip. There are pixels in the pixel universe, but there are also vectors and voxels. This episode shows a vector and a voxel. The term "pixel universe" appears in the text below the strip. _____________________
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Gusher Castaignede
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03-25-2008 01:37
The Pixel Universe - in the comic strip Pixel, which I don't recall seeing before, althouth it seems like something I would have come across. http://pixelcomic.net/086.shtml You really need to read the whole strip. There are pixels in the pixel universe, but there are also vectors and voxels. This episode shows a vector and a voxel. The term "pixel universe" appears in the text below the strip. Interesting comic there and rather funny but....after reading that it seems that someone out there already has sculpts tech copyrighted already? I also have a gut feeling of where we're headed, nothing is ours? How would all builders feel about this? All the hard wasted work and hours then at the end, you don't own it, its mine! |
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Magdalena Siemens
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Trade Mark
03-25-2008 01:37
Ok Miss Marketing needs to step out of character again
About Trademarks The biggest misconception about registered Trade marks is that its owner may prevent you legally to use the mark within a normal conversation or even in written text. That’s Bullshit. In most countries but especially in the US using a trademark as described above is actually protected. That means it is your RIGHT to use the mark, even in promotional material, if you either accurately want to describe an aspect of your product or to identify the owner of the mark. For example a sentence like: "I am at present building a platform which is of a similar concept like Second Life", would be perfectly legal, whatever the LL, Linden Labs TOS may state. Its called "fair use". You do not even have to but the TM sign behind it. You simply may not use the trade mark to name your own products, services or company or...thats all. Nor can you give in your material the impression of being assocciated in what ever form to the mark when you are not. But that would not be an infrigment as such , but would be an attempt of fraud hence criminal. So if we talk about Linden Lab, Second Life or LL, or SL we may use these terms to identify the company and or their products, it's totaly legal. We do this every day even in our corporate blog: Second Life Marketing Regards Maggie Disclaimer: I dont take responsability for the outcome of adhereing to advise given by myself free of charge. |
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Aylissa Babii
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03-25-2008 03:01
The biggest misconception about registered Trade marks is that its owner may prevent you legally to use the mark within a normal conversation or even in written text. That’s Bullshit. (...) For example a sentence like: "I am at present building a platform which is of a similar concept like Second Life", would be perfectly legal, whatever the LL, Linden Labs TOS may state. Its called "fair use". You do not even have to but the TM sign behind it. You simply may not use the trade mark to name your own products, services or company or...thats all. Nor can you give in your material the impression of being assocciated in what ever form to the mark when you are not. But that would not be an infrigment as such , but would be an attempt of fraud hence criminal. After seeing some five dozen comments along the lines of "Oh, now I can't say Second Life anywhere anymore," I'm glad you and a few others have been pointing this out, I was just about to post something along these lines, too. Then again, the mere fact that these gut-level reactions are here and on the blog in the first place does tell you something about how 'well' the information was presented to us, don't you think?  |
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Tiana Whitfield
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03-25-2008 03:20
I am sorry if this has already been asked.. but I am a lil confused.. In regards to classifieds am I breaking the TOS with something like:
"....to make your second life a home" This is just an example... Wow..all confused! |
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Feline Slade
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03-25-2008 04:24
My first thought when I read this thing was "aspirin." Companies have to show that they are making an effort to protect their brand. If they don't, they can lose it and the word becomes generic and up for grabs. It happened to Bayer with aspirin, and threatens Band-Aid, Kleenex, Q-tip, Xerox, and Google. Google does not like you to say "googling" because it devalues their brand (really).
The company will probably hire someone to surf around the internet and pester sites who are using the terms "incorrectly." From a legal point of view, they can show that they notified all of their users upon login, and that they are being proactive about asking people to stop using their trademarks incorrectly. It's kind of like age verification, where they can now tell a judge that they made it possible for residents to keep minor out of mature areas. They show that they've made the effort to protect the brand, and it's enough to keep them from losing it in court. CYA, that's all. _____________________
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03-25-2008 04:36
...Disclaimer: I dont take responsability for the outcome of adhereing to advise given by myself free of charge... _____________________
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Madhu Maruti
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03-25-2008 05:03
OMG EVERYBODY IT'S AN INTERNET LAWYER! Not an internet lawyer, but a real life patent and trademark lawyer, just trying to clear up some misconceptions. Sorry to have frightened you. _____________________
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Matthew Dowd
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03-25-2008 05:09
The bit I'm amused by is that it seems you can no longer use Second Life as a noun, only as an adjective. e.g.
my store in Second Life is not OK my store in the Second Life world is OK I can't see anyone actually doing that, nor LL being able to make any case against someone using the form stick... Matthew |
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Colette Meiji
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03-25-2008 05:22
k 12 hours have passed, can we still use our own Avatar names?
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Matthew Dowd
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03-25-2008 05:40
Also somewhat amusing is that any attempt to add a superscript TM or circled R to an objects name or description (on windows you need to use a script to add a circled R), results in the TM or R mark being replaced by question marks.
Parcel names also seem to have a problem - although you can add them to parcel descriptions. Maybe I should log that as a SecondLife?? bug in jira... Matthew |
