Group land - How does it affect tier?

OK.. So I have my land set to a group (The Rayna Family...lol) so that I can buy more land without too much hassle. Generally a good plan yeah? I have 3712m Currently in that group, which is alot for me.. I didn't wanna go over my 2048 tier (Im fine with my 4608 tier now lol). I decided to see how much I could buy for said group if I set all of my tier to that group. So, I contributed it, and found out that my 4608m stretches to 5068m.

I was wondering if it always adds 10% or what? I've heard it does, but then I was told by someone else that it actually bases it on the tier price you pay.. anybody willing to answer my silly little question? (Lol now I get to go find another 1356m on my sim...)

ignore, selling a 64m plot for it ^^

There's an automatic 10% bonus for any tier donated to a group, doesn't matter if it's 16m² or a sim's worth .

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One thing to watch out for when the tier comes from other people as well though: if they pull their tier out and don't let you know, you don't get any notice. The "Land & L$" tab will show that the group is short of tier, but unless you happen to look that's not much help.

That doesn't mean you'll just loose the land if that happens, but if a Linden contacts you telling you you need more tier it could be a bad moment to tier up (or very little time to sell it off if need be). If you accept tier from someone, make sure they'll tell you if they ever take it back out.

Cool thanks ^^

So, I'm currently paying the 1024 tier and own a total of 1536m. I have one premium account, and two free accounts with all three of my AVs in the same group.

If I donate that 1536 to the group, I can then buy an additional 128m with the premium account AV without paying the next higher tier fee, even though it puts the premium account AV at 1664 total meters owned?

hmm....yes

have a play with the land use calculator.
https://secure-web9.secondlife.com/account/landfees.php

bear in mind that 'meters owned' is land held in your avs name, while 'meters donated' is land owned by your group.
the short version is that if you want to buy a plot of land for the group, the group only requires 90% of the sq/m to be donated to the group. you keep the other 10%.

Just to put what others have said in a slightly different way, and add a bit :-

"..even though it puts the premium account AV at 1664 total meters owned?"

The AV doen't own anything. It has donated its 1536 of TIER to the group. The group then gets a 10% bonus on donated tier.
You might have deeded your land to the group, but after you deed it, YOU no longer own it.
The group owns the land.

You don't pay LL monthly for 'land'.
You pay for 'tier' that you use to cover your own land holdings and/or donate to group(s).

While you have tier donated to group(s), you will have to pay for that tier, even if the group isn't using it to cover land holdings.

True, but if you have a group that is just you and an alt (Or something similar) then since you are the only *person* with any holdings on the land or anything I think it'd be safe to say that you own it....

Right, and just "setting" the land to group isn't enough. You have to actually "Deed" it to group. When you do that, mark the box "owner donates tier" or whatever (not inworld now) so that the GROUP, not the avatar, will have enough tier to cover the land.

Be careful when buying as well

Pay attention to what it tells you about your tier (The second checkbox thingy down when purchasing), it will warn if you if are going to go over your tier, and calulates for the group bonus if you are buying for a group... I recently almost went oer not paying attention, but realized it just before, and so gave 64m to the Arbor Project...

Yes and no
It is better to think of ownership in strictly 'legal' terms.
You have beneficial control, but the ownership lies in a separate entity - a group.

If the land is sold, the money goes to the group, not directly to 'you'. If all the beneficial members of the group are 'you' then you eventually get the money - usually the day following the sale.

If the land is sold with objects included, the new buyer only gets the objects that were owned by the group. They don't get any objects that belong to 'you'.
If you deed objects to the group (as opposed to 'Set to Group'), be sure that the 'Next Owner' permissions are set so that the new owner (the group) has the permissions necessary to Mod/Copy/Transfer.


Thinking of the group as a separate entity (treat it as if it were a separate avatar) helps to reduce confusion about donated tier, land, and group objects.

For some reasons, i never got the tier free 512 sq.m, but i have 2 alts that do. One currently owns a 512 sq.m parcel deeded to a group, and free of tier. Am I right in saying that my second alt could give her 512 sq.m free of tier to the group, and then the group could get a 1024 parcel free of tier?

Can I create 256 alts and get a tier free sim?? LOL!!

yes but you still pay for the premium account

I have an alt specifically for that actually.. and you get more than 1024 for two free 512 tiers, you get the 10% bonus too

The thing is it would be more expensive to get land with 256 alts. I figured this out with 4 alts if I went premium, it would be cheaper just to have one pay the tier but I would get more weekly allowance without having to buy L.

The thing is once you go up to a certain point the 6-8 USD a month for premium is better thhan say 35 USD for more land.. if you only want little extra, another account is better ^_^

So you could have one account at the 40 USD tier for 4km of land, and another at the 2km tier (I don't remember the amount lol) fr a total of 6km which would really come to 2.5+4.5=7+another 1k or so, so about 8km for less than the full 8km tier I believe

In my case, my alt and I are a group and are both premium. She donated her 512 to the group, so *I* own 5632 and pay $5 less per month (US dollars) then if I were to own that much land myself. However, if I end up wanting more land at some point, I'll cancel my alt's premium account and just tier up to the $40/Month, since that will be cheaper than having 2 premium accounts.

Of course buying a whole sim in 512 chunks would be overly expensive.

It is off topic, but maybe someone can direct me to the right thread: i often (too often) see LL saying they have problems with stipends and group dividends. I just cannot find any information on group dividends. Groups receive dividends??? What for?

Thanks for the quick answer on the previous question. You guys are great!

On a related topic...

How do you go about buying land for a group once you have one set up?

There is a very long post about this:

/327/3d/174599/1.html

and this one too:

/327/76/206168/1.html

Make sure to read it to the end, there is some errors in the procedure.

If your group owns land, for example, and then the land is sold the proceeds of the sale will be divided among designated group members paid as a "group dividend." This is something to keep in mind if you form a group in order to get the land bonus. When you form a group you can set the permissions of the assigned roles within the group. You want to disable pay group dividends if people other than yourself and your alt end up enrolled in your group or they will get an equal part of any money made from selling your land.

Thanks Nimue.