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Lem Skall
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03-15-2007 19:26
From: Colette Meiji Id be for them scrapping the whole idea of voice entirely =p
Voice chat is inevitable, not only because it is technically possible, but also because competition imposes it. Sony has announced 2 SL-like PS3 games for this fall and next year and those games use voice chat. I think it may have been a big factor in bringing voice to SL. So I am resigned with the idea that there will be voice chat, but I think this is the wrong way to introduce it. I am afraid it is also another manifestation of LL not listening to users. I realize that LL are getting a lot of noise from users and it is hard to filter it, but they should still listen to us.
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Tod69 Talamasca
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03-15-2007 21:21
Hmmmm..... come to think of it.... Voice Chat could be VERY Bad!!..... but only if you're a kid on the Main Grid.  Heh- guess thats one way to out the Under-agers.
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Colette Meiji
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03-15-2007 21:44
From: Tod69 Talamasca Hmmmm..... come to think of it.... Voice Chat could be VERY Bad!!..... but only if you're a kid on the Main Grid.  Heh- guess thats one way to out the Under-agers. lol think theres gonna be a lot of adults who sound like kids out there My 14 year old son has a deeper voice than my 35 year old brother.
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Unmitigated Gall
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Wow... I never realized new features were always bad...
03-15-2007 23:57
I guess it would be bad for some chick who has subjected herself to being a sex slave for some handsome master to find out he sounds like elmer fudd...
Is the Meta verse not big enough for us all to live together happily? goths, gores, vamps, trans, pimps, hoes, geeks, furries, and corporates????
Does it really ruin your life to have a walmart in the area????
Can you not bear the burden of turning voice off on your client????
Can there not be a segement of the grid that uses it as a dynamic platform to showcase real world products, services, events, arts, education???
Can you not understand how voice may be very useful to turn SL into more then just a place to watch cartoons fornicate???
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-16-2007 01:24
Here's a link for the best text to speech - or singing, in this case - that I've ever heard of: http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/vocaloid/demos/yukigeshiki_128.asx . This is produced by Yamaha's Vocaloid progam, at http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/vocaloid/en/index.html . Don't expect this in SL very soon. 
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Lem Skall
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03-16-2007 03:55
From: Unmitigated Gall I guess it would be bad for some chick who has subjected herself to being a sex slave for some handsome master to find out he sounds like elmer fudd... Good example, UG. It will also be bad for the elmer fudd master. It will be also bad for the elmer fudd anything, master or slave, or even equal partner. It will be also bad for the sultry, sexy vixen with a shrill voice or an accent from some African country. From: Unmitigated Gall Can you not understand how voice may be very useful to turn SL into more then just a place to watch cartoons fornicate??? I don't understand your question.  SL is already much more than that. And I don't see how the lack of voice prevents anything in SL. We are concerned however that we will lose our favorite cartoons and much more. And this is really what your post is driving at. Your post suggests a hope that voice will cut down on some of the things that you find repugnant. I agree that voice will add a new dimension. But let's follow what you were suggesting yourself (let "us all ... live together happily"  and let's have voice implemented in such a way that will not remove anything from SL.
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Lem Skall
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03-16-2007 04:03
From: Unmitigated Gall Can you not bear the burden of turning voice off on your client???? I don't want to turn voice off on my client, I only want to be able to use it selectively, instead of having it on for everyone until I mute them.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-16-2007 12:15
From: Unmitigated Gall Can you not bear the burden of turning voice off on your client???? I'll never turn it on. That's not the point. Neither is anything else you mentioned. If you don't "get it" yet, you never will.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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03-17-2007 11:09
From: Argent Stonecutter If you don't "get it" yet, you never will. Boy is that true. I also will not be using voice chat for the same reasons as you and ceera. it ruins the role of my character, and it alienates me. However my earlier posts in this topic could use some modification after reading ceera's post. I do believe that those who ARE using the voice chat should know who is and who isn't using it so they don't waste their time in a 1 way conversation. I agree that what ceera said is a good idea. If i choose to not use voice chat, my client should not be altered to even show it's existence. Once in a while i "Might" use the voice chat for reasons such as meetings between staff members of one of the sims i manage, or if its a 1 on 1 IM session with someone i know and trust.
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Draco18s Majestic
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03-17-2007 13:43
From: Unmitigated Gall Can you not bear the burden of turning voice off on your client???? Burden for turning it off? Hello! It's having to deal with the backlash of OTHER people not being able to bear the burden of my turning off voice. Remember, I turn off voice, I can't HEAR either.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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03-17-2007 15:55
From: Draco18s Majestic Burden for turning it off? Hello! It's having to deal with the backlash of OTHER people not being able to bear the burden of my turning off voice.
Remember, I turn off voice, I can't HEAR either. This makes me wonder how it will effect residents who are hearing impaired. If a high majority of SL starts to use voice chat ONLY, then these selected people are definitely going to be the most alienated.
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Lem Skall
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03-19-2007 19:17
It just occurred to me, anyone who will shun me for not being voice-enabled is probably not worth talking to anyway, so maybe this will be for the best.
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Draco18s Majestic
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03-20-2007 15:27
From: Lem Skall It just occurred to me, anyone who will shun me for not being voice-enabled is probably not worth talking to anyway, so maybe this will be for the best. Oh most certainly. Anyone who requests more than once in 10 minutes for me to enable voice is getting shot with my Mute Gun of Doomage and get to say hello to my killfile.
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Rockwell Ginsberg
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03-21-2007 09:13
I want to start using voice, dangit! When does the larger beta commence?
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Talon Hawks
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SL Voice makes me unhappy
03-22-2007 07:17
I want to go on record that I dislike the idea of Voice Chat. I wish SL would instead open up a second grid with it instead of destroying the current one with this awful idea. I do not see why SL cannot do this. Opening another grid is a very reasonable idea. I hope this is the correct forum for this post and that this post makes a difference. Thank you.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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03-22-2007 09:21
From: Talon Hawks I want to go on record that I dislike the idea of Voice Chat. I wish SL would instead open up a second grid with it instead of destroying the current one with this awful idea. I do not see why SL cannot do this. Opening another grid is a very reasonable idea. I hope this is the correct forum for this post and that this post makes a difference. Thank you. Basically what they need to do, since voice chat would be great for businesses is make a separate grid for businesses and give them the voice chat. 
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Ceera Murakami
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03-22-2007 14:48
I seriously doubt they would ever consider a seperate grid for Voice Chat users.
One compromise might be if they would at least make the default land behavior be OFF for Voice. It is a feature that land owners have to pay extra for. They should have to choose to enable it. If someone wants to host a business meeting center, or a live vocal music stage, or a voice chat coffee house. All well and good. It would be like someone enabling damage and push on their land and declaring it a combat arena. Those who need voice can go there. Those who want voice are free to turn it on for their land. The rest of us can ignore it for the stupid and useless feature that it is.
Any serious business user wouldn't bother using SL for their vocal communications anyway. They would use WebEx or similar enterprise-level conferencing systems - solutions that easily scale to tens of thousands of concurrent listeners, and which allow people to use a hardware infrastructure that is designed to support voice, the telephone system, via an 800-number access. I've attended business meetings via WebEx that had 30,000 concurrent listeners, with presenters in dozens of locations world wide, and was able to watch their on-screen presentations real-time on my laptop while I listened to the audio on my phone. The presenters could take questions and allow others to hear that caller from anyone on the call, worldwide, without turning it into a cacophany of shouts and meaningless babble. When a presenter was talking, all the rest of the lsiteners were muted. If I wanted to, I could share my screen while accessing Second Life in one of those presentations, and all the listeners would get all the visual benefits of the in-world presence, while NONE of the others would need an SL account, and only my own account would need to be logged in.
LL can't hope to compete with such products for the business market. They seriously need to change what they are smoking to something legal, and get back to reality on this one.
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Tod69 Talamasca
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03-22-2007 22:22
So, um, what yer all saying is: Voice is NOT Optional, and you wont be able to Type to someone who prefers Voice??? Interesting..... I watched the video and didnt see anything that made me think good or bad. BUT- yea, voice is BAD! I dont care if someone missing limbs, suffering arthritis/RSI/Carpal Tunnel/Quadraplegic or otherwise disabled cant type & has problems moving about & talking. F**K 'EM!! Aint our fault we're all able to use keyboards efficiently! At least if you're deaf/hard of hearing you can type like a normal human being! ========================================== Note: That was meant to be "sarcasm". ========================================== I'm for anything that opens up more communication & Entertainment abilities for anyone regardless of their "conditions" For those who can type & talk, I can see the usefulness. Now I can actually carry on 2 Different conversations!! 
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Suzi Sohmers
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03-23-2007 04:21
I note that there is little or no feedback anywhere on how the beta test is actually going. This might, of course, be because the testers have all signed a vow of silence (which would be a tad ironic!) but it's surprising that no one is leaking any snippits of "how wonderful it is". Perhaps things aren't going so well?
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Brock Fitzgerald
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03-23-2007 09:10
From: Tod69 Talamasca So, um, what yer all saying is: Voice is NOT Optional, and you wont be able to Type to someone who prefers Voice???
This is not the case.. if you have voice turned on, you can still see others type, and you can still type yourself... Possible scenarios: 1)Person A and B both have mics and speakers, both want to use voice - 2-way voice 2)Person A has speakers but no mic, B does. B can talk and A can hear, but to reply A types and B sees it. 3)Person A cannot (or doesn't want to) listen to voice, A and B communicate via typing. I'm not sure yet how B can distinguish between 1) and 2), but then maybe it's obvious!
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Ceera Murakami
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03-23-2007 10:02
The default is that Voice is enabled unless the land owner disables it. We still have no clue if an individual actually has a "disable voice" option.
If the system detects that you don't have a headset (how does it know???), you get stuck with a tag that everyone can see, indicating you're not a voice user.
If you're on a computer that has a built-in microphone, will it assume you're "voice enabled", and give you a "live mike" even if you don't realize it? Most laptops and a lot of other new computers have built-in microphones. How will it know the difference between that and a headset?
Everyone will see an icon over the head of anyone who is not enabled for voice. Assuming they bother to look before trying to speak audily, which most probably won't.
Everyone will see a green squiggle on top of (and obscuring) the speaker's name whenever they are talking. If they look the right direction when that person happens to speak.
Possible scenarios:
1)Person A and B both have mics and speakers, both want to use voice - 2-way voice
2)Person A has speakers but no mic, B does. B can talk and A can hear, but to reply A types and B sees it. A gets to hear B whether they want to or not. No way to tune them out other than turning off sound entirely?
3)Person A cannot (or doesn't want to) listen to voice, A and B communicate via typing. Or person B shouts and tries to get person A's attention, while person A doesn't have a clue they are being spoken to.
4)Person A cannot (or doesn't want to) listen to voice, and mutes any Player that they see has a green voice squiggle over them, thus allowing person A to enjoy the sound of the waves and birds and not listen to innane chatter that has nothing to do with them.
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Tod69 Talamasca
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03-23-2007 11:34
From: Ceera Murakami The default is that Voice is enabled unless the land owner disables it. We still have no clue if an individual actually has a "disable voice" option. If the system detects that you don't have a headset (how does it know???), you get stuck with a tag that everyone can see, indicating you're not a voice user. If you're on a computer that has a built-in microphone, will it assume you're "voice enabled", and give you a "live mike" even if you don't realize it? Most laptops and a lot of other new computers have built-in microphones. How will it know the difference between that and a headset? Everyone will see an icon over the head of anyone who is not enabled for voice. Assuming they bother to look before trying to speak audily, which most probably won't. Everyone will see a green squiggle on top of (and obscuring) the speaker's name whenever they are talking. If they look the right direction when that person happens to speak.
Well, I see the point. But I have a feeling it will be an Individual Option, just like the SL Audio & Video settings. Heh- how would it know you have a Mic attached? Everything plugged into your computer draws a bit of current. All the program has to do is poll the sound ports looking for it.
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Draco18s Majestic
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03-23-2007 15:21
From: Tod69 Talamasca Well, I see the point.
But I have a feeling it will be an Individual Option, just like the SL Audio & Video settings.
Heh- how would it know you have a Mic attached? Everything plugged into your computer draws a bit of current. All the program has to do is poll the sound ports looking for it. Then my laptop is always "voice enabled." I pity the fool who tries to voice with me. All they're going to get is the taka-taka of my typing as I communicate via IM to people while being blissfuly ignorant of their ranting about my taka-taka. 
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Tod69 Talamasca
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03-23-2007 18:16
From: Draco18s Majestic Then my laptop is always "voice enabled." I pity the fool who tries to voice with me. All they're going to get is the taka-taka of my typing as I communicate via IM to people while being blissfuly ignorant of their ranting about my taka-taka.  LOL! But seriously, don't these "built in" mics have a 'disable' feature? Like in Windows Control Panel > System? At least that way if it was automatically enabled, yours would indicate No Mic. OH! Just thought of another Use for Voice- Couples who're quite some distance apart, say a Husband/Wife in the Military overseas with their Significant Other back home. It'd be more comforting for them to be able to actually talk instead of type. Cuz nothing sez Deep Devoted " Love" like a bunch of "I <3 You" typed out. On the Humorous side, Ever been on SL & something in RL needs attended to so you leave SL on while you go take care of RL Business (kids, pets, etc)?? We're liable to hear some really interesting things 
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Ceera Murakami
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03-23-2007 18:21
*laughs*
I can see it now...
I finally save up enough money to replace my aging Mac Mini with a new Mac. And of course, it has a built-in mike and speakers, so the Voice-enabled SL client assumes I want to use Voice...
I log on, and before I can figure out how to disable this unwanted "feature", my huge dog starts barking right next to me, and deafens half the people in the sim!
(And no, I haven't saved up enough for the new computer yet.)
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