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Chux0069 Hynes
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01-17-2008 01:42
I have a question. Do u think people will pat for machinima porn. A modest price for movies in a DVD format like 500L for a 20min flick with plot lines. I ahve not seen anyone doing this and my theory is it would make it more a ffordable than movies people r streaming and paying copyright.And the marketing would be more creative because the stars are real SL characters. the question is will people pay for it
Usagi Musashi
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01-17-2008 02:17
Well your going to see alog of manga japanese animation in the near future. Well then again there is alot here already. Looks like its going to be LLABS selling pointnow and in the future.
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01-17-2008 05:11
Although we do not control, or supply, any content, we do have a unique 'View Sheild' system, whereby the viewer has to pay the screen in order to watch the media, this when coupled with a Silver Stream media system, gives the best possible secure system in SL for the content providers material, as the urls are not broadcast like standard media systems.

It is a very easy system to setup and use, the owner of the screen sets up the time duration/rate for each View Sheild.

http://www.eml-entertainments.com is where you will find information on the two systems.

The View Sheild can be purchased from our ingame store and can be applied to even standard media systems as well as the Silver Stream systems, although without the url protection.
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Orfeu Miles
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01-17-2008 05:48
Build it and they will come.




(Sorry, couldnt resist)
Usagi Musashi
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01-17-2008 07:14
From: Orfeu Miles
Build it and they will come.




(Sorry, couldnt resist)


Build and they will.............well break it more is a better term for LLABS :rolleyes:
Domino Marama
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01-17-2008 09:05
From: Orfeu Miles
Build it and they will come.




(Sorry, couldnt resist)


At least you didn't ask "pat what?"
Dudeney Ge
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Well.... err....
01-17-2008 14:22
From: Chux0069 Hynes
I have a question. Do u think people will pat for machinima porn


Hmm, well - do I think people will pay to watch badly-animated cartoon character simulate sex with atrociously ugly prim penises and fake cartoon breasts and crap 'ooh aah' text conversation from two people with very little imagination, both of whom might actually be overweight truckers from Kansas? Hmm... let me think about that for a moment - it's a complex question with no easy answer ;-)

DG
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01-18-2008 05:30
People might be willing to pay for porn videos
of themselves having sex.

Interesting business idea. =)

- Infrared
Xio Jester
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01-20-2008 16:25
Since they pay for everything from regular sexbeds to tricks in SL bestiality farms, I don't see why not.

I think you have an interesting idea...as much as I've been avoiding "SL Porn" ever since I joined, I wouldn't mind watching one of your movies since you said "plot". Do you mean "porn" neccessarily?... or just machinima with a lot of Adult Content? (like the animated movie 'Heavy Metal')

...that idea would be more like an animated version of a lot of popular underground comics in the 70's...I think it would sell.
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zio Yumako
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01-24-2008 13:38
I've been working on creating SL porn too,
it's SO much work tho, especially creating everything from scratch.

but I'm just doing it for the love of animation, (and porn)

once these videos are inworld, I have no idea (or expectations)
if anyone will pay lindens to see them.

we'll see
zio
Dudeney Ge
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Hmm....
01-24-2008 14:44
From: zio Yumako
I've been working on creating SL porn too (...) I have no idea (or expectations) if anyone will pay lindens to see them. We'll see


Hmm, will people pay to watch badly-animated cartoon character simulate sex with atrociously ugly prim penises and fake cartoon breasts and crap 'ooh aah' text conversation from two people with very little imagination, both of whom might actually be overweight truckers from Kansas? Hmm... let me think about that for a moment - it's a complex question with no easy answer ;-)

DG
Orfeu Miles
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01-24-2008 15:14
Hey Dudney

How is the machinima remake of Groundhog day coming along. ?? ;)
Dudeney Ge
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Groundhog Day
01-25-2008 02:29
From: Orfeu Miles
How is the machinima remake of Groundhog day coming along. ?? ;)


Hmm, will people pay to watch badly-animated cartoon characters simulate ... no, sorry, probably don't need to repeat that again. The way I see it is like this:

1) Real porn is freely available on the InterWeb, or so they tell me
2) Real porn is probably slightly more engaging than avatar porn, I imagine
3) Avatar porn is probably slightly more engaging than dying, I imagine
4) What's the point?
5) No, really - what's the point?

It would be about as interesting or stimulating as watching origami porn...

I imagine....

Err.... that's it really...
Dagny Mannonen
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01-25-2008 03:50
Alrighty. Serious answer. At the risk of being labeled a total psycho perv I'll add my 2 pence here.
I think honestly it boils down to a question of whether or not people can by physically attracted to avatars. I think they can. The popularity of Hentai proves that quite well I think. Obviously people are stimulated by the imagery provided there - so I see no reason why they couldn't be by avatars. Especially by some with the more realistic skins. Additionally people for centuries have had visceral reactions to paintings of beautiful women. Before photography erotic oil paintings of females were the pornography of their age.

I think the added challenge in this instance though is not having the crutch of pure actual physical beauty to rely on. The mental stimulation will have to be that much better. The plot line has to be really good, the dialogue compelling for it to be worthwhile.
Lana Tomba
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of course its a viable idea
01-25-2008 07:44
pfft sure...ppl will pay..not for sure how much..depends really on your mach skills..but can real life porn show furries?...does it..is the better question....or vamps or werewolves..you're in a medium where vou have infinite props...infinite backdrops...infinite scenarios...infinite other things :)..that arent bound by real life physical restrictions.

If you can think of it...theres a market for it..if theres not market for it...and you do it well enough...you could be the pioneer for the porn mach industry in SL and be set.

I wonder how many ppl told Stroker Serpentine....pixelated cocks?...whats the point?...no seriously..whats the point?..Don't listen to nay sayers.

However..you're not the first person to think of this..I've heard of it before...and i never saw it fly...dont know why...but that was back in the day that Machinima wasn't very big in SL.
Youl'l have to be able to have GOOOD creative directing skills and TONS of HAWT ideas..and variety...and good music too.

Personally i've seen a few scenarios in SL that attracted a large audience (in the porn realms)...and if you can think up and nail what makes peoples sexual psyce click..I'm sure youll be successful.

~Lana Tomba

P.S. If you're seeing nothing but poorly animated avatars...youre seeing poor animations. I've made it a personal hobby to collect the best for personal use because yes...the animations get old and yes quality is always getting better. That being said some of the better ones are Happy Dispatch and Hardcore.Those creators focus on more than the basic mechanics of the sex act. They also pay wonderful attention to facial expressions..slight hand movements and placement...all things that a machinima director should be looking at when constructing video clips.Remember people have already made money by adding sound bites to sex animations...a natural progression would be to add video to those sound bites.
Alyx Sands
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01-25-2008 16:17
From: Dudeney Ge
Hmm, well - do I think people will pay to watch badly-animated cartoon character simulate sex with atrociously ugly prim penises and fake cartoon breasts and crap 'ooh aah' text conversation from two people with very little imagination, both of whom might actually be overweight truckers from Kansas? Hmm... let me think about that for a moment - it's a complex question with no easy answer ;-)

DG



If it was free, I'd watch it. For the laughs, though... ;)
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skribe Forti
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01-25-2008 20:32
I've been asked several times to make it but have declined. Personally I don't think the money is worth the effort.
Dudeney Ge
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01-26-2008 01:30
From: Lana Tomba
If you're seeing nothing but poorly animated avatars...youre seeing poor animations.


Not sure about that..... I've got great computer equipment, super-fast connection... but SL still has jagged edges, bodies pass through other bodies in these so called 'expert animations... but actually it doesn't really matter. Anyone who finds avatar animations erotic and could even entertain the thought of producing or purchasing avatar porn really should get out more. Failing that, I'll make you some origami porn - just pay me up front - guaranteed to be really erotic, obviously.... Or some porn from matchstick men? Claymation porn? I'm sure I could fulfill your poor-quality porn needs for the right price...
Lana Tomba
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Rofl
01-26-2008 13:00
Go ahead and make fun and act pious and self righteous as the genital creators buy more sims and increase their buisnesses size.

This post wasn't "do you like machinima porn"
this post wasn't "what's your personal preference concerning machinima porn"

The author asked for peoples educated opinions on wether or not others would "pay" for it.

I would dare say that 1/3 rd of the "people with lives"..(those who have avatars in SL?)...o.O...(those who have tried in some way or the other to make their avatar "look better for " some reason";)?...o.O........o.O.....? cannot not give an educated opinion because they haven't followed the creation of those in the sex industry in Second Life..Oh and there IS a sex industry IN Second Life...wether you like it or not..participate or not...it's there. \0/

They wouldn't know the best pixelated cock in Second Life if it smacked them in the face and wouldn't know where to begin to buy the best sex pose animations. (If their pathetic avatars "no -life" depended on it)

So why are we hearing from them?. Since those who seem to want to respond to a imaginary post about "what their preference is for machinima porn" have lives...and they're not answering the actual question..might be nice if they stopped insulting the educated people who ARE answering the REAL post and go back out side .

I happen to know atleast 10 avatars who have made it their second life's work to form and create the sex industry in Second Life..and second life pays for their RL outside activities...it also pays for their private SIMs...and prolly alot more.If you don't like the idea of a virtual sex industry i suggest you focus on what you do best:)...and please let others focus on what they do best...KAI?....ta

~Lana Tomba
Dudeney Ge
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01-26-2008 13:24
From: Lana Tomba
If you don't like the idea of a virtual sex industry i suggest you focus on what you do best:)...and please let others focus on what they do best...


Not sure if you're deliberately misunderstanding me. I really don't care either way about the 'sex industry' in SL. Sex tends to buoy up most economies in one way or another and that's absolutely fine by me - no quibbles at all.

However, I would think that most sane people when asked the question "do you think people would pay for pixel porn?" might come to the same conclusion that I did, which is that SL is not graphically sophisticated enough to make any such products appealing, that most people's idea of role play is to type slowly things they're seen in crap porn films, and that - generally - SL is really not up to anything like this.

Just the way it is - of course people are making loads of money selling prim penises (90% of which are simply laughable) and making 'erotic animations' (which, no matter how well done, are still basically two quite badly drawn cartoon characters colliding with each other in a pretty ungraceful - and certainly non-erotic way) and I think that's fine. If you want to spend your own money on a cartoon penis and genitals that talk in text chat - not an issue, please feel free.

But the questions was not "do you think that the sex industry in SL is a bad thing?" - the question was, and I quote contextually:

"Do u think people will pat for machinima porn."

And my opinion is that they won't - or they shouldn't, because it will be crap. And that's my opinion and you can't have it, or take it away from me. The graphics in SL are not very good, the textual quailty of most pixel shaggers is atrocious and talking genitals and shoddy animations do not add up to an erotic experience for me. This was my answer. It's different from yours, but equally valid.

So, you see, I did answer the original question.

ok?
Lana Tomba
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01-26-2008 13:52
From: someone
Anyone who finds avatar animations erotic and could even entertain the thought of producing or purchasing avatar porn really should get out more.


Thats the particular "opinion" I have issue with. NOT your views on pixelation or graphic cards or abilites of second life.

Again I reiterate...if you are seeing poorly animated avatars you are seeing poor animations..NOT all animations show intersecting legs and arms and limbs. Its the job of the producer to finesse around any of that any way. if you have an arm sticking in someones back..guess what genius..dont show the back. Try using a close up shot on the "good stuff".

Using your "ruler of quality" I take it that all machinima artists should "just quit?" I mean realistically I can sit back and say that an avatar sitting on a scooter riding to an underground hideout to roughly and jaggedly go thru some "fake martial arts" animation just didnt look "real" enough and therefore the machinima director shoudnt have even tried....right? I mean seriously..we are talking "cartoons" here..what level of quality are you looking for in machinima?..or is that really your issue?...I think not...and i have the quote to back that hypothesis up.
From: someone
Anyone who finds avatar animations erotic and could even entertain the thought of producing or purchasing avatar porn really should get out more.


thats MY opinion...and yea...you answered the question..but not before being insulting.

~Lana Tomba
Dudeney Ge
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01-26-2008 13:59
From: Lana Tomba
what level of quality are you looking for in machinima?..or is that really your issue?...I think not...and i have the quote to back that hypothesis up. thats MY opinion...and yea...you answered the question..


You have a hypothesis, I haven't really formulated one with regard to pixel porn.... not yet, at least, though I promise to try harder. I'm not looking for a level of quality in machinima - and some of the shorts I've seen have been fantastic. Where I get lost is in the emotional side - I can see how one of Robbie Dingo's (for example) shorts can be elegant, expressive, interesting.... but I just can't make that final little jump to erotic. God knows I've tried, but I just can't see how it could happen. Sorry - guess that's disappointing, but it's the way it is for me.
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01-26-2008 14:09
I don't try to push my ideals or ethics or Morals on anyone...at the same time i refuse to have an "artists" creativity to be shot down because of someones inability to connect art with the physical act of copulation.

What I'm trying to say is.. If a director actually approached this genre with an artists eye rather than a "back school yard dirty magazine to be giggled and poked fun at" manner..maybe..... just maybe some quality work could be created.

If you're a good "anything"...you should be able to make the most mundane look spectacular.

A true artists genius is not in their subject..but how they interpret that subject.

~Lana Tomba
Dudeney Ge
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Ah, resolution!
01-26-2008 14:13
From: Lana Tomba
A true artists genius is not in their subject..but how they interpret that subject.


I think we might be in general agreement on something. Anyway, this is a fruitless conversation that has gone on way too long - perhaps it's a failure in my imagination, or perhaps we're simply 'inspired' by different things.
Xio Jester
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01-26-2008 16:45
From: Lana Tomba
I don't try to push my ideals or ethics or Morals on anyone...at the same time i refuse to have an "artists" creativity to be shot down because of someones inability to connect art with the physical act of copulation.

What I'm trying to say is.. If a director actually approached this genre with an artists eye rather than a "back school yard dirty magazine to be giggled and poked fun at" manner..maybe..... just maybe some quality work could be created.

If you're a good "anything"...you should be able to make the most mundane look spectacular.

A true artists genius is not in their subject..but how they interpret that subject.

~Lana Tomba


The Sex Pistols

GG Allin

Crunk "Rap"

The Insane Clown Posse

Ron Jeremy

3D Hentai & Cartoon Porn Sites

Noise (it's an actual long-standing genre of music...google the punk band AC, actually thier name is longer but I ain't gonna say the whole thing here)

People have plopped down enough money for everything/one that I named above, that it pretty much negates any "definitely not" type-responses. I mean...some people pay for the Japanese poop-porn, fat porn, and yeah they have people dressed up as furries, vampires, aliens with tentacles etc on the internet with thier own Pay-Sites. Not to mention that every woman on the planet (almost) has breasts, but look at how many Pay-Sites there are out there for just a single popular model to have her own, and some of 'em make most of thier living just from thier main site!

...yeah people will pay, how many people? ...who knows. One more example would be every movie made by Troma Entertainment, from the Toxic Avenger to Tromeo & Juliet. There's a market, I'm sure.

...and this is comin' from a guy who has never had "sex" in SL, cause I never felt like it...just my opinions, but I think there's enough examples of entertainment similar to this making money, that I think there's definitely a market. Every year people pay GG Allin's brother to this day for the old videos of live shows...so they can watch a fat, ugly, jailbird junkie, punk rocker, beat up women, urinate, and defecate on stage... not to mention how much money people pay for RL fursuit ("Furries";), Klingon, and superhero costumes so they can "look good" at comic conventions.

*shrugs*

...and yes this is with all the free porn (and pretty much anything and everything else), readily available on the web
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