HELP TURKiSH

Hello. l'm a member of your system l'm really interesting a bout your game
but unfortunatly my english level is not good enough to under stand and use the
rulls and explanations.Because of this,l need a important suppont from you.Could
you please send me the information in Turkish.Or maybe you can give me Turkish
memberso l can get help.Other wise l have to stop my membership next month.
Thank you for all your inteest.
Haluk ERTEK

Hello Haluk,

Welcome to Second Life! I saw your note and I want to help you. But I am sorry, I don't speak any Turkish. I found some web pages that might help you translate from English to Turkish:

try http://www.langtolang.com/ or http://www.hazar.com/

Can you speak any other languages? Many Second Life players speak German or French. They might be able to help you more.

Good luck,

neko

Merhaba, Haluk

Biraz Turkce konusibilirim fakat Second Life icin herhalde kafi degil. Affedersiniz-benim Key board Turkce icin, cok fenadir! Beni IM ( Instant Message yapmak) ve yardim edibilirsem, olur.

Katva

Wow, we have at least two Second Life Residents in Turkey?! Cool, and welcome!

One idea is to create a Turkish Language group for Residents to join. Then, group members can communicate with each other in group Instant Message, to they can help each other out in Turkish.

Haluk canceled his membership before I really had a chance to translate some FAQ notecards for him. Unfortunately he was online when times I was not so only had a chance to help him once in game. But good to know there are a few other people that can help If someone makes a group, invite me

Shoot, thanks for trying, Soleil.

I hope LL can bring more non-English support into the client, though in the meantime, it's cool to see the Mandarin Speakers and other language groups come together as a support network.

мы говорим по-русский!

Iz za etogo vi mne kazhetes' takim neobichnim!

P.S.: Prok, can you tell me please where I can get the Russian font? Typing in English-Russian is no fun

That's pretty cool! You know, an NWN entry got blogged by a Russian gamer site recently, and judging by my page views, they've reading about SL like crazy in Cyrillic. Anyone feel like translating? I'm wondering if we're gonna start getting an influx of Russian Residents:

http://cult.compulenta.ru/179812

Виртуальная измена может повредить в реальной жизни
15 апреля 2005 года, 16:50
Текст: Эльвира Кошкина

Обнаружить своего партнера в объятиях другой женщины - этого боятся почти все жены. А есть ли повод для беспокойства, если муж занимается виртуальным адюльтером? Многие считают, что в этом случае реальной семейной жизни ничего не угрожает, сообщает BBC News. Однако для поклонников "Второй жизни" - массовой многопользовательской онлайновой ролевой игры - виртуальная измена сравнима с реальной. Некоторые ревнивцы идут даже не скупятся платить настоящие деньги детективам, желая контролировать персонажа игры, в которого воплощается реальный партнер.

Сверхпопулярная игра "Вторая жизнь" носит такое название не случайно. Она представляет собой виртуальный мир, где люди могут перевоплощаться в кого угодно и проживать жизнь так, как им хочется. В онлайне их совсем не тревожит мнение окружающих, и крайне привлекательной выглядит возможность нарушать нравственные устои и не бояться дурной славы. Геймеры могут купить свой собственный остров, создать дом своей мечты, стать известным дизайнером, ходить на рыбалку, проводить ночи напролет в клубах, барах и на вечеринках и, конечно, заниматься сексом. Но только виртуальным и с виртуальными партнерами. Именно возможность вести виртуальную половую жизнь и толкает многих на путь шпионажа. К примеру, Марки Макдональд и Бруно Бакенбергер стали частными детективами, которые только и занимаются тем, что шпионят за персонажами "Второй жизни". Причем иногда, чтобы удостовериться в верности того или иного игрока, они провоцируют героев, пытаясь их соблазнить.

Гамлет Линден (в реальной жизни - Вагнер Джеймс Ау) журналист во "Второй жизни", говорит, что многие геймеры рассматривают эту игру как возможность поменять свое жизненное кредо без ущерба для себя и окружающих - они разыгрывают мелодрамы, совращают приличных женщин и даже вступают в виртуальные мафиозные кланы. Однако все шутки заканчивают в тот момент, когда они понимают, что пора нанимать детективов для слежки за объектами их страсти, даже если этого человека они знают только по игре. Многие, не отдавая себе отчета, начинают испытывать абсолютно реальные чувства к своим виртуальным друзьям и любовникам...

Use the fish, Hammie.
http://babelfish.altavista.com

Virtual treason can injure in the real life
15 April 2005, 16:50
Text: Elvira koshkina

To reveal their partner in the embraces of another woman - this fear almost all wives. But there is whether occasion for the uneasiness, if husband does deal with virtual adultery? Many consider that in this case of real family life nothing it threatens, reports BBC News. However, for the worshippers of the "second life" - mass multi-user online role game - virtual treason is compared with the real. Some jealous men go even they do not be stingy to pay present money to detectives, desiring to check the character of game, into whom is personified real partner.

Lora Of skay - character of the game
Lora Of skay - character of game the "second life"

Super-popular game the "second life" bears this name not randomly. It is the virtual peace, where the people can reembody in whom conveniently and live life in the manner that them it wants. In their online the opinion of those surrounding in no way disturbs, and the possibility to disrupt moral abutments and not to fear bad glory appears extremely attractive. Geymery can purchase their own island, create the house of their dream, become well-known designer, walk to fishing, carry out nights right through in the clubs, the bars and on the parties and, of course, be occupied by sex. But only by virtual and with the virtual partners. Specifically, the possibility to conduct virtual sexual life pushes many to the way of espionage. For example, stamps MacDonald and Bruno Bakenberger became the particular detectives, who only and deal with the fact that they spy after the characters of the "second life". Moreover sometimes in order to be certified in the faithfulness of one or other player or another, they provoke heroes, attempting to tempt them.

Hamlet linden (in the real life - Wagner to James a) journalist in the "second life", saysthat many geymery consider this game as the possibility to change their vital credo without the damage for themselves and surrounding - they develop melodramas, tyuey sovrashchayut decent women and even they enter into the virtual mafioznye clans. However, all jokes conclude at that moment, when they understand, which is time to hire detectives for the shadowing after the objects of their passion, even if this person they know only on the game. Many, without being aware, begin to experience absolutely real feelings to their virtual friends and lovers.

Some participants in the "second life" examine it only as game, and others enter into role so, that simply they live in the virtual peace. But each itself determines the face, after which the game ceases to be simply entertainment and it begins to present the danger in relations in the reality. Some even will not begin "to kiss" through the computer, but others, on the contrary, use the possibility to be occupied by virtual sex with the virtual people to the complete coil. Problems in the family relations can arise, also, if one of partenerov is not interested in computer entirely. It even cannot hire virtual detective and learn, what virtual life its dear person lives. In the opinion of psychologists, the problems, which appear in the present relations because of the virtual life, can be sufficiently serious and they must be solved not their own forces, but with the aid of the specialists.

Here's another translation site:
http://webtranslation.paralink.com/urlmode.asp

Virtual change can damage in a real life
15 April, 2005, 16:50
The text: Elvira Koshkina

To find out the partner in embraces of other woman - it all wives are afraid almost. And whether there is an occasion for anxiety if the husband is engaged in a virtual adultery? Many consider, that in this case to real home life threatens nothing, informs BBC News. However for admirers of " the Second life " - mass multiuser on-line role game - virtual change is comparable with real. The some people revnivtsy go do not stint at all to pay the present money to detectives, wishing to supervise the character of game in whom the real partner is embodied.

Lora Skye - the character of game
Lora Skye - the character of game " the Second life "

Superpopular game " the Second life " carries such name not casually. She represents the virtual world where people can reincarnate in everybody and live a life how they would like. In online they are not disturbed at all with opinion of associates, and the extremely attractive the opportunity to break moral principles looks and to not be afraid of bad glory. Gamers can buy own island, create the house of the dream, to become the known designer, to go on fishing, to carry out nights without a break in clubs, bars and on parties and, certainly, to be engaged in sex. But only virtual and with virtual partners. The opportunity to conduct a virtual sexual life also pushes many on a way of espionage. For example, Marks McDonald and Bruno Bakenberger became private detectives who only and are engaged in that spy for characters of " the Second life ". And sometimes, to make sure of fidelity of this or that player, they provoke heroes, trying them to tempt.

Hamlet Linden (in a real life - Wagner James Au) the journalist in " the Second life ", speaks, that many gamers consider this game as an opportunity to change the vital credo without damage to themselves and associates - they play melodramas, seduce decent women and even enter virtual mafia clans. However all jokes finish during that moment when they understand that it is time to employ detectives for shadowing objects of their passion even if they know this person only on game. Many, not giving themselves of the report, start to test absolutely real feelings to the virtual friends and lovers.

Some participants of " the Second life " consider her only as game, and others enter into a role so, that simply live in the virtual world. But everyone defines a side behind which game ceases to be simple entertainment and starts to represent danger to attitudes to realities. The some people not begin others at all "kiss" through a computer, and, on the contrary, use an opportunity to be engaged in virtual sex with virtual people to the full extent. Problems in family attitudes can arise and in case one of partenerov is not interested in a computer absolutely. It cannot employ a virtual detective at all and learn, what virtual life there lives its favourite person. In opinion of psychologists, the problems arising in the present attitudes because of a virtual life, can be serious enough and they are necessary for solving not own forces, and with the help of experts.

Here's a translation by a real person (me), which at least reads better -- more like English. AND it has a few subtleties a machine translatoin can't capture -- AND it can catch real whoppers like translating the key word for the article "izmena" which means "adultery" or "betrayal" wrongly as "treason" or merely "change": Eggy, technology can't do EVERYTHING!!! PN


Виртуальная измена может повредить в реальной жизни
15 апреля 2005 года, 16:50
Текст: Эльвира Кошкина


-Virtual Adultery Can Harm Real Life [Big difference between adultery and treason! --PN]
15 April 2005 16:50
Article by Elvira Koshkina

All wives fear discovering their partner in the arms of another woman.
But is there grounds for concern when their husbands are involved
in virtual adultery? Many believe that in this case real family life
isn’t threatened, says BBC News. But for fans of Second Life,
a massive multi-user online roleplaying game, virtual cheating
is equivalent to real. Some jealous wives aren’t above paying
real money to detectives, who put a tail on the game avatars used
by their real-life partner

[literally: the game personages in which their real life partner embodies himself -- interesting how other cultures see the concept of an "avatar"--PN]

The super-popular game Second Life has that name for good reason.
It is a virtual world where people can reincarnate as anyone they
like and live life as they wish. Online, the ppinion of others around
them doesn’t bother them at all, and it seems extremely
enticing to violate moral precepts and not fear a bad reputation.
The gamers can buy their own islands, create the home of their
dreams there, become a famous designer, go fishing, spend
night after night in clubs, bars, and parties, and of course, have sex.
Only it’s virtual, with virtual partners. It’s this possibility of having
a virtual sex life which pushes many to turn to espionage.
Markie Macdonald and Bruno Buckenwald became private detectives
who do nothing but spy on the avatars of Second Life. In fact sometimes,
in order to check on the loyalty of this or that player, they set up people,
and try to entrap them.

Hamlet Linden (in real life, Wagner James Au) is a journalist
in Second Life. He says that many gamers see
this game as a possibly changing their life’s beliefs without
damaging themselves or others. They play out melodramas,
seduce attractive women and even join virtual mafia clans.

But the fooling around ends the moment they understand
that it is time to hire a detective to follow the objects of their passion,
even if they know the person from the game only.
Many, without realizing it, begin to experience absolutely
real feelings to their virtual friends and lovers.

Da, ya chudnoi!

LL claims that they got the Cyrrilic working in the last patch. And it seems that if you just cut and paste it works, i.e. shows up as a graphic.

But in reality, people keep having problems, and they have nowhere to go with them because LL doesn't have people to bother with languages like Russian and Turkish, it's just too exotic a demand to place on their limited staff now.

You just have to get your keyboard working, trying KOI8, 1251, Windows, etc. -- toggle them through as you would with Outlook Express or any program, and see if you can get them to show up in the text box.

The idea is that your regular Windows Cyrrilic you've got going with XP or whatever, will now show up in the text box in SL.

But...people are finding it doesn't. So it's back to angrusski...

There is an SL group called Language and Linguistics - perhaps polyglots should contact that already existing group? I am not certain of the group's intended function, but speaking to the officers of that group might be worth trying.

I've found this to be the case as well. I was quite excited during the preview to just be able to import Bulgarian, Russian and Serbian fonts, and I still think that there is a lot that we can do in the way of instructional primers on notecards in this manner, but it still needs a bit of work.

I know technology can't do everything proko
I think you will find that the serious technologist is far less likely to be a rabid technocrat than your average enthused teenager
One of the things we are taught at the University of Lisbon is that people won't care what's under the hood as long as it works. Part of our traffic light system is still run by relay computers - ancient, noisy, electromechanical work horses who just keep on ticking decade after decade... and relays were invented in 1835! Replacing them would cost a bundle, and modern computers are, uhm, not built to be run continuously for a decade

Thanks for the translation, Prof! (And Babelfish is good for entertainment value, at least.)

HELP JAPANESE!

Every few months or so, my blog suddenly gets a handful of page views from http://www.shonenknife.net/, which seems to be the official homepage of adorable Japanese girl punk band Shonen Knife. I can't for the life of me figure out why-- but then, I can't read Japanese. Can anyone here, and help solve this mystery?!

Just for comparison purposes, here's the link to the original BBC article in English:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4432019.stm

As always, it's entertaining when things get translated and then re-translated, even when good human translators are involved (never mind the wacky interpretations of babelfish!)

I may be able to help with your Japanese posts, or ask a friend whose Japanese is better than mine. (Ironically, given my SL name, I'm actually much better at Chinese than Japanese these days.) I'll take a look and ask around.

And yes, Shonen Knife is very cool.

neko

Cool, thanks! My seekrit hope is that Shonen Knife are fans of Second Life, and that we can get them to play a live streamed gig here. That would, you know, frigging rock.

Hamlet, if you like Shonen Knife then a band called Deerhoof will change your life significantly!

Yeah, I'd like to see them recreate their "ESP" video here... that would be so fitting, dangling props and all... LOL... and the lyrics are appropriate for SL too!

Cool, panda! Since we're on a Japano-pop kick, I should plug Polysics, a cool Devo/punk/Japan sci-fi sort of group I caught at the Bottom of the Hill in SF a few years ago.

But I still wanna know who loves us at Shonen Knife!

Hamlet,

I looked around in your blog a bit, but didn't find the specific entries in Japanese. I want to send the URLs to a friend of mine who should be able to give us a good interpretation quickly and is likely to be amused enough by the whole thing to do so. Want to post a couple of sample URLs here or PM me?

Thanks,

neko

Thanks, Neko! Do you mean the URL to the Shonen Knife page (URL above), or another one?