Oyun, you obviously do not get it. Yes YOU were pushy, personally, not as a buddhist, but on your own nickle. You were trying to "Keep the the top of Mt Jaffee clear for the use of everyone" If that was so why were YOU the one on the top of the mountain, spreading your monastary, in direct opposition to the land owner, and trying to keep everyone but yourself from being there?? You have impressed folks with your pushiness to the point others back me in my statements, yet you continue to whine about how you were mistreated by the land owner and manager. I wonder if the stupa you "Gifted" was forced on the other Tibetan project like you forced them here...even after you left. And yes, by your own admission, you were using 2 avis to get land, Justice was separate, but you WERE using 2 personae to advance your land grab. Give it up Oyun, you were strongly in the wrong and refuse to acknowlege that. Billy had the absolute right to say no to what you were doing, you REFUSED to listen and caused grief for those around you with your absolute lack of respect for the rules as set down. Your idea of 'Collaborating, was for folks to come to Jaffee, turn over their build rights to you and then live in YOUR build, you were told this was not acceptable, that Jaffee was for folks to make THEIR own builds, that each resident could use 1096m of land for their build. You refused to listen in ALL particulars. As far as my large castle, I was hired to manage the sim for billy, my pay was the use of 4096m to build as I saw fit, to use as my own home. And to tell the truth, I well earned it in dealing with you. None of the other residents was ever as rude, pushy, or unwilling to follow the rules, no one else tried to expand their property by guile as you did. So all of your posts amount to very little other than showing how broke you actually are morally in the way you deal with other peoples space and rules. Give it up and accept that you were in the wrong...and learn from it.
For the rest of the folks that have watched Oyun's dirty laundry fly thru here, I apologise, but I cannot sit and watch someone distort the facts of a matter like this without it being set straight. Since Oyun has used this forum to air his misrepresentations I have had to reply here as well in order to give the straight facts. Thank You for your patience.
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Steelwolf Pascal
Dwarven Builder
Join date: 7 Jul 2005
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11-13-2005 09:41
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Haravikk Mistral
Registered User
Join date: 8 Oct 2005
Posts: 2,482
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11-13-2005 16:55
The surplus of casinos has become disgusting. I just had to move due to group politics related to one of our group members deciding to open a casino/club immediately beside our existing club (which wasn't even finished yet!). Forcing me to move my shop from the neighbouring land as a result.
I guess it turned out for the better, as I'm now in a better place for setting up a shop empire, and I own the land I'm on completely so none of this group nonsense is my concern anymore. But the land I used to frequent is now home to a butt-ugly casion, I've yet to see a decent looking one! I ran into at least 20 different casinos (that I noticed) while flying around looking at plots of land, and not a single one of them was put together very well. I don't see why gambling is so rampant when playing games like Tringo is often more profitable and more rewarding/enjoyable to play. There might be some great casinos out there, but I've no heart to look for them, since primarily they're not my interest in the first place, and secondly they have a very bad reputation with me so far! |
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Sean Martin
Yesnomaybe.
Join date: 13 Sep 2005
Posts: 584
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Hmm
11-13-2005 21:09
I think all these casinos running around is just a fad. A place to play games, chat, get money, etc. They are more and more like a hub for socalizing and entertainment. A bar maybe? I dunno, But most of them need money chairs to get a high traffic rating in the first place.
My guess is that free money makes it easier to play the casino games located nearby. And so some end up losing it anyway. While giving the owner a high traffic rating just the same. The free money and games just go hand in hand that way. The same concept can be placed in a number of other enviorments. Pay people money for traffic ratings, then let them use the money in some uniqe way within that same enviorment. So you get some of your money back. It doesn't really have to be a casino. I think the casino enviorment just happens to be an easy setup for people right now. I'm only a few months old in SL, but I still get the feeling that casino/clubs will be around no matter what other attraction comes out to counter them. When something does thou, it would be nice to have that alternative from a casino/club. I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of sport get picked up and turn popular. You know, with teams and everything. Where people come to watch a game. I think the lag has prevented that from a physical standpoint. But people in real life even go to watch chess tornoments. Lag would be there in SL but its not as much of a problem as say, SL Baseball? I guess gambling is tied right in with any sport as well. But at least it wouldn't be right in our face like a slot machine. I'm not a chess fan really but sometimes I would much rather sit at a chess-park for cash than see another Black Jack table. But right now thats the only spots that pay high $L for parking.  I think its sad that money seats get tied into popularity in the first place. But thats a different subject. |
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Travis Lambert
White dog, red collar
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
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11-13-2005 21:42
This has been a very interesting, but painful read.
Painful because there are too many posters on both sides of this argument forgetting to use their enter-key and create paragraphs. Sorry to be cranky about it, but you guys have some neat stuff to say. Shame to have it glossed over on account of something silly like punctuation. Anyway, sorry for the interruption.... carry on  _____________________
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Sean Martin
Yesnomaybe.
Join date: 13 Sep 2005
Posts: 584
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11-13-2005 22:28
Sorry I have the grammer swat team following me to every forum I go to.
Hehe. Just joking Travis. I get it every time I post my input on a subject. If its unreadable I'm sorry. But I tend to type as if I were speaking directly. Bad habbit from chats with friends and such. If I was going to write a book I would bother with it.  Anyway, I blame Yahoo for destroying my writing habbits! Hehe |
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Oerbewustzijn Archer
Registered User
Join date: 2 May 2005
Posts: 66
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11-14-2005 04:17
Oyun Tuque
My reaction hash not to do with was happening in this post i only feel the need to answer because for a long time my place and my group where named Tibetan Monastery. And this forum post is not a good advertise. We work both on a project with a good cause in our mind but i want to look out that happenings what you do ore i not to get scrambled up. Iam glad with the stuppa and the contact we have and i do not know you as a pushy buddhist. Greetings Oerbewustzijn |
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Kazuo Murakami
Sofa King
Join date: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 359
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11-14-2005 12:26
I don't have much more to say on this, but as far as Steelwolf saying that I was misrepresenting things, frankly thats bull. All I said was that I stumbled upon the place at one point, thought it was cool and a neat experience, then went back later and it looked like crap with poorly built homes all over the mountain. I also quoted what I was told by someone who was part of the group building the hermitage. I did not say "what this person said is the absolute truth," I merely said X person said "Y." If you think what they told me is a misrepresentation thats one thing, but what I posted was a completely matter of fact account of what I experienced.
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Merlyn Bailly
owner, AVALON GALLERIA
Join date: 7 Sep 2005
Posts: 576
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11-14-2005 18:14
Meryln, First let me apologize to you for buying the land. I do not understand what the problem here is, I purchased the entire sim from Billy Madison. Am I not allowed to build on the land I paid real dollars for? Also please note that I am now paying 195.00 dollars a month in tier fees for this property. Sadly I am unable to be able to afford to let residents live on my land for free, what Billy did has nothing to do with me. His bank account and my own are not one and the same. Steelwolf Pascal, If I am not mistaking was the one that managed the land for Billy. He has been contacting people to let them know of the changes as they occur and I cannot offer anything better than that. Do you have some sort of solution to our problem? I don't expect an apology for buying the land -- I do expect to be treated with some level of consideration -- as I understand it, BM supposedly set up PQ as a way to get newbies more acclimated to SL, particularly the people with Basic accounts would stick around long enough to decide it was worth paying for and upgrading to Premium accounts. However, treating the tenants like crap (including your calling me a freeloader and BM telling me to "get a real job" -- neither of you knows anything about me and such comments are not only rude and obnoxious, they are completely uncalled-for considering your total and complete ignorance) is not the way to do that. Both your mothers should have taught you better manners than that. If people like you are the "content-creators" of SL, then it's crap. Fortunately, there are people like the resident who created the Botanical Gardens, and many others who do create interesting content that is not just money-oriented. So far, there are thousands of "stores" selling alot of junk that's just like all the other sex/gambling-oriented crap, and not enough interesting content. You're still a mannerless sleazeball, in my book. I don't want your apology, asshole. |
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Merlyn Bailly
owner, AVALON GALLERIA
Join date: 7 Sep 2005
Posts: 576
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11-14-2005 18:33
In opening I would like to shout a big hoorah for Mr. Steele-Wolfe Pascal for having the courage to stand up for what is right.] I agree perfectly -- Steelwolf is professional and considerate, and a true gentleman of honor. [(snipped for brevity...)I for one appreciate the opportunity that billy madison provided as I had no where to call mine and did not really have the funds to afford me the luxury of purchasing and maintaining the costs for a piece of land in SL. Obviously many other individuals share this condition or there would not have been so many people coming to Jaffee and taking advantage of the generousity of billy madison.] Well, the original idea was generous in its public or apparent intention -- until you think about the fact that all those new people created dwell for BM, which translates into Lindens when the nightly bonus is computed... so there appears to have been a very real benefit for BM which you obviously don't understand. Yes, he gave us space for our virtual "homes" but we also gave him something that translated from Lindens to real US money. [(snipped...)Free enterprise is each individual's right to execute at their will. Billy madison is no exception and it is selfish of any of the residents to be of the opinion otherwise. Honestly, how many of you would say that you would have been willing to absorb the loss of at least $400.00 in tier fees that I know of, having been a resident for around one and a half to two months, and the original cost of the sim, which from what I understand was no small amount.] Again, that expense is offset by the nightly bonus for dwell created by the tenants, which can be considerable, and translates into very real US dollars. [For whatever reasons which are his own, billy decided he no longer wished, or was no longer able to afford to (as the case may be), to continue to support the costs of owning and maintaining the sim. He had the right to manage to at least re-coop his costs for buying and maintaining the sim and even making a tidy profit to boot. Anyone who says they would not have done the same is most likely a liar and a fraud. That, or they are Mother Teresa, and she is dead, so not likely. The residents of Jaffee owe billy madison a thank you and the respect of not bad mouthing him for his choices. ] I don't argue with his right to do whatever the hell he chooses to do with his land -- but HE HAS NO EXCUSE FOR NOT WARNING PEOPLE AND TREATING THEM WITH BASIC CONSIDERATION. (rah-rah BM crap snipped) |
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Elvawin Rainbow
Registered User
Join date: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 172
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11-14-2005 20:42
OK I didnt read everything here -umm well not much at all actually - my ADD acting up again- what was I gonna say? Oh yeah!, I have the PERFECT solution, everybody in all of SL sign yhe contract I have written in the period at the end of this post( you all do have electron micrsicopes right?) and declare me Queen of SL. I will then mete out justice as I see fit, lobbing heads, drawing and quartering, that sort of thing... But it will be better - a single rule -no more conflicts Ain't I just the smartest thing!!! and cute too!! so get out your finely ficused laser pens and sign your life away at the bottom of the 300 pages in the period I wont regret it I promise! or was that you? Oh well of to make fun of som other people - hmm should crate a topic of my own I'm actually best at making fun of myself.... Ih wait I remember now what I was posting for!!!
That fun word!!! Yeps that was it!!! FUN big letters great sublect - what SL is supposed to be about, or so I thought, (looks in Elva's guide to being a good Queen ) yep right here on page 1 pagragraph 3 subsection 12 All residents of SL shall have fun - under penalty of death. Right below subsection 11 where I talk about imprisoning Drama Queens for life. Breathe!!! Take a deep breath Take another Learned that in some monastery when I was selling sex toys door to door. I got a favorite qoute lately : Enjoy Life!! The Alternative sux! p.s. Steelwolf don't foget to make me that Chopping block and REALLY big beheading Axe. O might just need it Love ya babe, Queen Elva the first (and last, thank the Goddess). Yhe previous sensless diatribe in no way reflects the views of any Linden, or probably anybody but me for that matter. But this rhread needed lightening up IMHO SO VOTE FOR ME FOR QUEEN!!!!! |
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Lizbeth Marlowe
The ORIGINAL "Demo Girl"
Join date: 7 May 2005
Posts: 544
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No contract?
11-14-2005 22:32
You forgot to end the post with the contract....
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Ron Overdrive
Registered User
Join date: 10 Jul 2005
Posts: 1,002
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11-15-2005 07:09
In opening I would like to shout a big hoorah for Mr. Steele-Wolfe Pascal for having the courage to stand up for what is right.] I agree perfectly -- Steelwolf is professional and considerate, and a true gentleman of honor. [(snipped for brevity...)I for one appreciate the opportunity that billy madison provided as I had no where to call mine and did not really have the funds to afford me the luxury of purchasing and maintaining the costs for a piece of land in SL. Obviously many other individuals share this condition or there would not have been so many people coming to Jaffee and taking advantage of the generousity of billy madison.] Well, the original idea was generous in its public or apparent intention -- until you think about the fact that all those new people created dwell for BM, which translates into Lindens when the nightly bonus is computed... so there appears to have been a very real benefit for BM which you obviously don't understand. Yes, he gave us space for our virtual "homes" but we also gave him something that translated from Lindens to real US money. [(snipped...)Free enterprise is each individual's right to execute at their will. Billy madison is no exception and it is selfish of any of the residents to be of the opinion otherwise. Honestly, how many of you would say that you would have been willing to absorb the loss of at least $400.00 in tier fees that I know of, having been a resident for around one and a half to two months, and the original cost of the sim, which from what I understand was no small amount.] Again, that expense is offset by the nightly bonus for dwell created by the tenants, which can be considerable, and translates into very real US dollars. [For whatever reasons which are his own, billy decided he no longer wished, or was no longer able to afford to (as the case may be), to continue to support the costs of owning and maintaining the sim. He had the right to manage to at least re-coop his costs for buying and maintaining the sim and even making a tidy profit to boot. Anyone who says they would not have done the same is most likely a liar and a fraud. That, or they are Mother Teresa, and she is dead, so not likely. The residents of Jaffee owe billy madison a thank you and the respect of not bad mouthing him for his choices. ] I don't argue with his right to do whatever the hell he chooses to do with his land -- but HE HAS NO EXCUSE FOR NOT WARNING PEOPLE AND TREATING THEM WITH BASIC CONSIDERATION. (rah-rah BM crap snipped) Ok apperantly someone thinks way too highly of dwell as usual. I have a club that makes a little more dwell than Jaffee did (my dwell is low because my club is still astablishing itself). Jaffee's dwell was around 1200 at best. The amount you make off of that translates to about 40L a day wich means 1200L a month. Even by current conversion value that translates to $4.57. Thats not even 5 bucks a month. That may cover a 1024m2 plot, but by no means can that cover an entire sim. So I have no clue where you're getting the idea that people make hordes of cash off of dwell, we don't. Dwell is a minor bonus that really just gets you higher on the Search list. |
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Nicole David
Furniture Queen
Join date: 7 Sep 2005
Posts: 134
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11-15-2005 17:30
Sounds to me like Fritz Stewart could be an alt of Billy Madisons by the way you described his profile. I have always heard terrible things about Billy and was extremley concerned when I saw his 'goodie two shoes' profile...something just wasn't right.
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Neal Nomad
Here & Now (now & then)
Join date: 20 Jul 2003
Posts: 50
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11-16-2005 14:36
I don't know, after reading all of this, if I am seeing the Buddha in SL (or seeing Buddhism in SL), but you know what they say in Zen about what to do if you see the Buddha...
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"AND THEN THE KNOWLEGE COMES TO ME THAT I HAVE SPACE WITHIN ME FOR A SECOND, TIMELESS, LARGER LIFE" R.M.RILKE
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Oyun Tuque
Milarepa Land Trust
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
Posts: 29
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11-17-2005 01:23
neal, check all the cross-converstions, the vectors of talk that never connect. The blame, clairifications, the multiple versions of avowed truth. Few people take responsibility, either. Which is all kind of a samsara moment, the recurrence of past mistakes and disputes that keep cycling into the future, at least within the confines of SL.
Also, the noticable absence of solutions in this thread is telling. Maybe SL does have a homeless/landless problem and that Jaffee underlined some of these issues. Or that SL needs more options for land usage and management that benefits those who don't simply run clubs, casinos and malls. And what can non-profits, capitalists and regular folk do to help? And maybe this deserves another discussion thread, somewhere else... _____________________
Check the dharma adventures of the Milarepa Land Trust at http://flyingmonks.blogspot.com/
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
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11-17-2005 01:25
I don't know, after reading all of this, if I am seeing the Buddha in SL (or seeing Buddhism in SL), but you know what they say in Zen about what to do if you see the Buddha... Kill. _____________________
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