Doesn't anyone knock in SL?

I remember about 6 months ago, i lived with a friend of mine Frost White, in the Thunberg sim. We had a 2 story house with a basement (built into a hole in the ground). This was in the ages when objects would rez before you came near them (you had a very low chance at seeing the hole i nthe terrain). Of course we don't live there anymore. Anyway... Frost told me one day he was with a friend in the house, and suddenly noticed 2 extra green dots in there with them. It turned out a couple found there way to our 'you know what' room in the basement. We made the basement cuz skyboxes just beg for attention.

Another time another of frost's friends kept dropping in un announced. It forced him to buy a Psyke Turret. And it took just that to teach the guy a lesson on decency. Ive had numorus times where some strange lion or fox would find there way into my bed and start playing with all the poses. I talked to frost about it and he made a ejecto bed that unsits anyone and bounces them if the master-switch is turned off, and they arent the owner. he also replaced all the poseballs in the house with these. i really like them. XD Right now my house is void of any poses cuz im living in a community sim that is allways very very laggy and full of people. i only take them out when i need them.

I've complained many times about the no privacy issue. But it allways went unsound. I really dont see why we need the ability to pass through walls and see through them. we should have settings for prims to disallow penitration via camera/object/avatar. As a previus poster mentioned, a linden told them it was a fast way for a them to aprouch a situation. But why should residents have it? It's like if you owned a MMORPG and you allowed EVERYONE to be a GM. What can a linden really do that we cant? except restart crashed sims and ban griefers. o.o

I think the idea of a "no penetrate/phase" prim for a private room is an awesome idea. and only phaseable for a)lindens, b) owners and guests. finding alone time with one's mate is a toughy, especially when you dont want to share your feelings with the rest of the sim.

although...the security of one's room is only as good as your weakest prim..the door. but there are tons of security doors out there.

perhaps the lindens can add that feature for builders, as a small checkbox on the build ui window or something...although I find if I fly fast enough, I can still get inside a building without knowing it, because it hasnt rezzed yet. doesnt happen much now that I have a good warp tool, but it used to.

im only 11 days into SL and im totally newbie but cant you just Zoom into a property and then sit - to gain access. so all these doorbells, lockable doors are pretty much pointless.

if you want to be unsociable why are you playing a community based game ?

if someone enters who you dont want. ban them.

btw your all welcome round my place anytime.

CJ

CactusWrap.

Alternative view: If you want to be an obnoxious moron who goes barging into people's homes "because they can't stop you" why are you playing a community based game? You obviously have zero respect for the people in the community.

Oh, and it's really nice to give a simple answer like "if someone enters who you dont want. ban them." but if you knew anything at all about the tools and methods available to you you'd realise that it can't be done.

Firstly thankyou for the welcoming offensive statement.
I'm not obnoxious nor a moron but an avid gamer who was just stating buying lockable doors is a waist of money.

Yu cant stop people going into your home. so what?

I find it stunning and laughable that you can cast judgement on me stating i have zero respect for the people in the community. all because I like to explore ?

Whats the point of everyone sitting in their own place how would you find other members?

KNOCK KNOCK .. Whos there... ME ... whos you ? ME 2 ... um can i come in... NO I dont know you... I know so can i come in and chat ? NO...




Yep I'm new ( sorry ) but You can ban people end of. upto 50 I think.

If its such an issue that your place gets soo many visitors isnt this a good thing ? I mean then your build must be great you must have a fab hangout.

Again thankyou for the intelligent reply.

My post suggested an alternate point of view to yours. It didn't address you personally, and suggested that IF you (a general 'anyone who fits the criteria' you, for clarification, if it wasn't clear) were the kind of person who barged into peoples homes without asking or announcing yourself, then you're not respecting the community.

While I'm here, I'll add that as far as I'm concerned, I don't get why people insist you are enrolling as a member of the community just by signing up to SL. Maybe they're just interested in what SL has to offer that currently isn't available elsewhere? Community may just be a nasty side effect you have to put up with.



I find it stunning and laughable you can take such offense at a statement not directed at you. Obviously the shoe fits since you have taken it so personally. All I'm saying is - have some manners.



Precisely. Now you know they don't wish for you to enter. So you won't be considered ill mannered for doing so without their consent.



Fun exercise: Get a friend to ban you from their land. Then see if you can figure out the numerous ways to circumnavigate the ban.



So? Who said they wanted visitors? Am I expected to build a shitty build to spend the majority of my time in so that people don't feel inclined to barge in unnannounced to 'explore'?



And thank you for yours.

You can zoom into a property to look inside if there is an open window or other such thing that allows you to see inside, but you wouldn't actually be able to enter the building (i.e. have your avatar inside it) unless the door was unlocked or there was some other available walkway or suitable entry point.

It's true that in some ways there isnt really any point to having lockable doors, because SL doesn't allow you to "steal things" or change details (colours, textures etc) of things that are not yours (well....unless the owner unwittingly has set up the properties of the various objects to allow you to do it...).

I guess the main reason for having lockable doors is to add an extra dimension of realism to the concept of having "your own house" in the SL world. If it was a real house you probably wouldn't go out leaving the doors open, well I wouldn't anyway. So people often do the same thing in SL.

yes i can see it from that point of view it does add another depth of realism to have lockable doors.

Some people might be sick of me linking to this, but it's a proposal I made that might actually add some privacy to SL, without being too difficult to set-up. If it needs to be over-ridden by a Linden then just allow Lindens to walk through it. Anyway:

It's a thing I've dubbed a boundary box, basically it's a special prim (not necessarily a box I suppose) which you can stretch to fit any part of your land. You then choose what the rules are for it, and it will allow you to do things like block people from a building, or block chat/camera into the area and stuff.
If someone wants to enter a building then the owner simply lets them in with their access list. Speaking of which, it would be neat if there was a shortcut for doing this by right-clicking on someone!

Here is the suggestion in detail

try an av scanner. They come in versions wif 1 prims and text above them whos around and at what distance. Paste it on ur hud to make it visible at all times... orrr keep track of the minimap. Theres a million ways to stop people comming in before you notice them.

When I first got in SL, it was obvious there was no privacy, so I immediately did this mental thing to handle it. I would do what I could to be discrete, and beyond that, it was the other guy's fault.

I had a house, and it had a doorbell on it. Some people didn't see the doorbell and said "knock knock." (Which is what I often do.) The door also announced when someone opened it.

The house had two areas, and I fixed the windows so they were tintable. There was no door between the living area and the bedroom, and so once you were in the living room, you were basically in, but I didn't want a door there.

I figured it this way: If I (or one of my roommates) was in the house, in the bedroom, with the windows tinted, we had "privacy" for changing clothes or body bits or whatever. (Cause I don't care if we're pixels, we do need that, cause we do feel nude.)

If someone came through the front door, stood in the living room, or came in the bedroom, and saw me nude there, and didn't say "excuse me," then that would be their faux pas, and nothing on me. And if they did come in, and did say, "excuse me," then I would not be upset with them at all. (Generally it is embarassing enough for them.)

Likewise, if someone stood outside and used camera controls (and believe it or not, one unknown guy once did that for quite a while while I was changing! I just ignored him), that would again be their faux pas, and no shame on me - since I had already done everything I could to indicate that I was in there changing clothes. (A locking door helps, too.)

As for those commandoes barging in on that skybox, yeah, they deserved shooting! How rude can you get!

As for the Linden, he should know better than to just walk in. Especially in Blumfield, which is obviously people's houses! I have been to Blumfield, knew there was a girl in a house (I didn't know her), and I did the "ding dong, Avon calling" thing. When she didn't answer, I just went away like I would at anybody's door irl.

coco

Locked doors or not, it is laughably easy to get inside almost any structure in SL.

P2

I can totally understand "knocking" if someone is in a house. I wouldn't go into a house of someone I know if I saw them there with out saying something from outside or just inside the door.

How about when no one is around.
I like to just wander around. Click on a place I don't think I have been on the map and see what I can find.
Sometimes I'll find a neat little neighborhood or maybe just a very striking house design and see if the doors are open and anyone is home. I'll do a quick fly though and leave.
I have found locked doors and security systems, and went about my roaming without a second thought of it. It's their property, I can look from the outside on those occasions.

Is is wrong or even bad form to look around other peoples houses/buildings if no one is around?

Blackie
just wondering

To answer an earlier question, no..

Open doors, or doors that open automatically, are generally considered to be an invitation to explore freely if the owner is away. Many ppl pour weeks into building the perfect house, and the ones that leave the doors open usually enjoy having others appreciate their work (and rating them for it if you like it)

Thanks Ben
That was pretty much how I was thinking it, but figured this was as good a thread as any to just come out and ask the question.

Where is it? I'd like to fly up and check it out!

Why don't you Just lock the door?

I long ago adapted to the idea of no privacy in SL.. In fact my houses no longer have roofs or real walls anymore.. for the past6 months or more I've lived on various castle ruins.If I want privacy, its pretty easy.. I have a place elsewhere high up , and I keep an eye peeled for people. Its pretty simple.

Now, there are some people that are a bit rude and barge into houses when people are there, but dont let the actions of a few ruin it for the rest of us.

build a prim over the door that works well . if all else fails Put up your fence. Or kick the intruder out. there are really nice security systems out there some are free. Lots of ways. I dug a hole and closed the top once that was kind of fun.

Here is something I thought was interesting.

PERSONAL SPACE - IN PUBLIC and WAITING IN LINE

# When in public, there is no private space. When in private - it is huge. Let me explain. When in line, on a street-car, or other crowded place, your personal space starts on the inside of your clothes. (very disconcerting to American males when a matronly Oma leans her chest into your back). The way to keep your place in line when someone gets close is to NOT back away, since that gives them permission to move on up (ahead of you), but rather put your weight on your foot closest to that person (for an American this feels like leaning back into the leaner).

# When in private, each person's home is their castle. NOTHING is allowed to infringe: especially no noise. Even if you are a concert pianist, playing an etude after 8pm is a terrible faux-pas. Boom boxes readily identify the "ugly American," as does yelling in city streets, etc.

# Don't be surprised if someone bumps into you and does not say "Entschuldigung." (excuse me)
# Some germans have a different sense of space - you may feel like they are getting too 'close', or in your face, literally.
# People in Austria and Germany do not line up. Push forward, just like they do, if you want to get on the bus, etc.
# Feel free to blow your nose anywhere
# When in line, on a street-car, or other crowded place, your personal space starts on the inside of your clothes.

# Just a word of caution. If someone is too close to you in a form of public transportation, they could be a pickpocket. A man with his coat draped over his arm got up very close to me in a streetcar. I backed away from him and gave him a strange look. He jumped off at the next stop. I then realized that my "fanny pack" was partially unzipped. A loss of funds, barely avoided!.

# Staring - generally accepted as long as person staring is just watching passing traffic (e.g. from a window, at a cafe, etc.). If it bothers you that you are being stared at, say hello to the person staring. They will probably quickly stare in a different direction.

# Do not expect total strangers to smile at you and nod hello. My students always wonder why people in Europe do not do that. I point out that smiling/eye contact can be indications that you want something from the other person.

# Same goes for traffic; if there is a break - go for it. (careful when pedestrian vs. car - the car ALWAYS wins, even if the driver is jailed). An example of this is: if you are at a cross walk and a car COULD stop for you (in other words, speed is reduced, the driver seems attentive), indicate your intent to step out - but DON"T establish eye contact (just watch carefully out of the corner of your eye, to make sure the car DOES slow down!). In Switzerland, kids are taught to put their hand out (as if taking a large step) to give warning to any driver that they are about to walk across (at the cross walk!!).

# Getting to your seat at a concert/theatre: If you have to get by people who are already seated: turn to face them as you squeeze by. It is rude to stick your backside in their faces.

# On the street/sidewalk: watch out for cyclists! They have the right of way on the marked paths. If they ring their bell, they are not being obnoxious, just cautious.

# Assertiveness is key. If two people are equally assertive, the one who was there first gets dibs (when pushing in line, know who was there before you; don't yield to anyone else, unless you really want to). Manners is manners.