architecture bit

hey hamlet, could you give us the coordinates for the site? I mean how are we supposed to come up with a good design if we haven't gone and taken a good look at the site and its context? yeah yeah yeah i know where it is generally, but i want to know exactly!

Heh, it's Shipley 110,110. It's actually listed in the entry as a hotlink (under "Shipley), as secondlife://shipley/110/110. That's to click, so if you got SL running in another window, the place pops up as a pink dot.

Check the place out, post questions/suggestions here!

hah, i totaly forgot about the new seamless interface/integration of FL stuff and SL. all these new fangled gizmos to play with, it is just too much for some one of my age to keep up with

Jeez Nada, when's the last time you built anything worth looking at? Just sent off my entry - I'm no architecht, but at least I can build.

bbc

oh so that's how you gonna play is it? as to the last time... it was 6 months ago. I don't build anymore. I write scripts that do all the buildings for me.

p.s. when you scanned the image, the least you could have done was rotate it to the correct orientation, i mean talk about a lack of professionalism.

Well, I hope hamlet wants a nice array of cubes for a house then, 'cause thats what he'll get. Not to insult your scripting abilities, after all - you had the best in teachers. Left alone it woulda taken you what, three weeks to get your clapper working?



OK Mr Moneybags, as soon as you buy me a scanner. Just bcause some people draw in india ink on antiqued paper doesn't mean all of us have such luxury. Anyways, you might as well get used to tilting your head sideways - your gonna have to be bowin to me soon enough as the better builder.

Are you referring to Phoenix and Andrew? Yeah they are great teachers! Of course their is Cory’s original documentation, which was excellent, even considering that the only formal comp. sci. training i have was a c++ class back in high school.

But this isn't about who taught who. It is about building, which I think I do well. And yes I can make an array of cubes, which is indeed quite beautiful. That was only the tip of the iceberg. If you came out of your damned hole once in awhile, you might have seen my master builder object in work. Basically, I build the building in AutoCAD, and then take note of all the orientations, relative positions and scale, and then create a notecard with all the proper specifications. The masterbuilder then goes line by line creating the appropriate objects in the appropriate positions. How you ask... well that is a trade secret*. When I want to get really fancy, I will write a lisp routine (AutoCAD script) that will export the desired notepad all by itself.

You have a scanner, you have an image editing program, and if you don't you can get GIMP. Or since it is supposed to be a bitmap, you could have used paint. But whatever, if you want to inflame some peoples hurt backs and necks, then go for it, it is on your conscious.



*this project is currently in alpha testing

ohhh, how all-knowing you are. I have a scanner do I? Man, I don't even have a computer right now. I have to sneak the 30 seconds of "BuhBuhCuh" in at work, or pay $5/hour to play at the cybercafe ... and yet I still r0xx0r teh nada

I'm glad you've made yourelf a build tool thats *almost* working, I'm sure hamlet will be happy when he *almost* has a decent looking place. Although not as happy as he will be when he lets me make it for him.

Comes down to a smiple fact - you mioght have the skills in FL, but you can't take last a second with me in SecondLife.


oh...and as I seem to remember, the reason that first script you were writing didn't work was because you couldn't handle llSetColor, although it took a while for me to get that through your head.

bbc

you have a lunch break don't you? Well maybe you should use as bbc time. Besides, where do you think i scanned my images? where is the dedicated bbc that i used to know? what happened to the 'sleep-during-the-day-so-i-can-be-in-SL-all-night' BBC that founded TCorp? does anyone have a milkcarton made in SL, I think i might want to file a missing persons add.

It works, just have to iron out some kinks, just like every other script in SL.

How needs to hang with you? you are still playing like it is an alpha, jesus man, get caught up.

and you are actually incorrect here. The reason it didn;t work is because i had an all black texture on it which i might add you gave to me and said 'here try this.' Of course the color change wouldn't work, cause how can you tint black? <smirks> some people. sheesh.

NE

Oh geeze you guys. Lets see, Nada can design sure but he's a scripter, not a builder. BBC you can build but I have NO CLUE the last time I saw you inworld. Do you really have the time?

Ok boys, don't make me roll up my sleeves...

Ok so I surveyed the site. Last I had seen Hamlet had purchased 3 squares of land. Its up to 5 now. I then went off site and purchased 5 squares in the same configuration.

Reading back over the above, I then looked again at the 5 squares. I then whipped out a Boardman Pre Fab (assembled) house. I believe these pre fabs are the smallest. The house as is does not fit on the alloted space. Now I know that this is not what he's going for but I rearranged the house for giggles to make it fit. There isnt much space. Certainly no room for a small pool or deck.

Hamlet if you're reading this and want to see, find me inworld. You may wish to consider buying more land unless you want to put builders and designers to task making everything fit.

Nada and BBC? I'm surprised this small detail got by you.

See, even misnomer knows you can't build nada (heh, your name is pretty appropriate). I should be back in and building soon enough. Its hard to get connected when UPS decides to snap your mobo over thier knee when you move, and then can't decide if they want to honor the insurance.

Iron out some kinks, eh? Kinda funny you claim a buggy script can build better than you. I bet you have an ugly building somewhere that can script better than you too.

heh, 10months must have fuzzed my memory a bit, I'm sorry nada, your right - it wasn't not being able to use llSetColor - it was an even stupider mistake.

Maybe you shouldn't spend yourtime attacking me on the forums, and get in world and practice building - you need it.

bbc

actually Mis, I was designing for that area - 12 meters long by 8 meters wide (I might buy him one extra chunk) Thats about 900 sq feet - 1350 if you add a basement - plenty of room for a place. Just because you like to build behemoth houses doesn't mean everyone is so insecure. In fact, my plan allows for every single thing on that list - plus some, by virtue of being more clever than nada...or misnomer it seems. Maybe you should wait to hear about my plan before you go shooting your mouth off - and anyway - where's your submission? Fine criticizing others when you ain't got the guts to try it yourself.

Oh so clever BBC... by buying your way in. Who needs paper? I was there today with prims.

GDMFSOB!

If you can figure out what I just said, then you'll completely understand how I feel when I see two respected citizens of SL apparently deciding to chew each other out because of a situation neither can remedy.

I have no idea what started this, but geezus keep it between yourselves and not on the forums.

<snickergiggles> Oh Bino, Bino..

MAKE THAT THREE! Nada & BBC, I'm so challenging you on this -- I'm making my submission tonight and you're both going DOWN! Orange skin, blue skin.. it doesn't matter when you're up against the Primoneer!

Oh. My. Goodness.

Hamlet my dear, Misnomer is so right (not that I doubted her).. if you want all these fab things in your place, a basement studio, so on and so froth.. you're going to need a LOT more land.

I mean, it's perfectly do-able to make a cute little one-room contempo-shack type place on the land you have available, but uh.. studio? Waterfall? I know you said it didn't have to be a waterfall, but that's a pretty rad idea..

I'm buying some land around yours to see what kind of space you would need. IM me when you get on and check out the area.. I'll hook you up. If I'm not in game, no worries.. I check email regularly.

In the meantime, I'm going to keep building. ^.~

Hey Lyra - you should try building within constraints someday - I like to think of it like poetry - sure, anyone can start writing free verse, but likely its going to be pretty crappy. You need to start by forcing yourself to write within the constraints of the medium, where you learn to make every word count.

Think of Hamlets house as a haiku - if you can't do it, you need a lot more practice before someone allows you to go freestyle.

bbc

And a word to the rest:

I happen to hold Nada and Lyra's skills in the highest regard. Everyone seems to think nada is a scripter, but truth be told, I've always though of him as a builder - who doabbles in scripting now and then. I think that lyra has also put to gether some very beuatiful structures. However, it occurs to me that only one person is going to get that "contract" and these two whining newbs aren't gonna be the ones ... well, not if hamlet has any taste.

I don't know which is more astonishing, this whole fight or the fact that there are actually people in the world who still know LISP!

you know bino you are right, it is a silly argument. I shouldn't even have replied to his first post... but i felt backstabbed. I mean i respect bbs's opinion cause he is a good friend of mine, and here he is not only shoving a dagger in my back but he is twisting it, rubbin salt in it, kicking me while i am down...

as to the rest of you, i am gonna have to agree with bbc on this. quit whining. geeze, 5 squares is plenty of land if you have any creativity at all. building something 'cool' with unlimited resources is easy. it takes ingenuity to capitalize on the constraints of the situation.

my script merely provides for a direct translation from a precise cad program to the world of SL. I do the design, and then i give it to my contractor to build. seems to work in my FL.

gah i wish i hadn't scripted your ai so well, it is really becoming a thorn in my side.

Okay you two; you've had your fun, now it's time for a nappy-poo! Poo.. kinda like what you're going to do in your pants when you see what I have been doing. My friends (for you are that indeed, but as Nada has stated, I feel quite betrayed), I have already been BUILDING over Hamlet's spot with a kit I made. So convenient, so transportable!

My submission would be a much more elegant and believable one than just a bunch of scrawlings on a piece of paper. Oh, did I mean your drawings? Of course not sillies.. I meant haiku; just keep telling yourselves that anyway.

It would come alive.

I was merely suggesting that more land would be benificial to a far greater piece of architecture, that Hamlet would be settling for less than ultimate perfection from me if he decided to keep only five squares.

So boys, while I too have the upmost respect and, dare I say adoration for both of you, do yourselves the favor of surrendering to the fact it is you who will be scripting for my build when all this is said and done. Run along and get your LSL documentation, that's it!

x0x0x0x,
Lyra

(( PS: I KNOW I shouldn't do this because it will probably ruin some things a bit, but Nada, BBC & I are all just having a little fun -- we'd never snipe each other like this without least ten squares of land involved. Okay seven. ))

And Lyra's words of reconciliation are good ones to leap
off from: group hug, everyone!

Misnomer's post strengthens the comment someone
else made to me, a few days ago: the plot of land I
bought is too small to do much with. That might be,
but I'm not sure what to do with that, for a couple
reasons: 1) some folks have already sent in their
submissions, and it wouldn't be fair to buy up more
land now, which competing bids would base their
proposal on, 2) I am, after all, a Linden, so it doesn't
seem cool for me to swoop up lots of land, when as
much as possible should be available For The People.

So, I guess we could go one of two ways: a) if the
folks who sent me a submission are willing to
resubmit, based on an expanded plot, I'll buy up
one or two more squares. (Still don't want to
buy up *too* much more, if at all.) Or b) we could
stick with the small plot of land, and make that the
challenge, and remove one or two of the design
parameters which make building on such a tiny
space unfeasible. Or I suppose c) Just hold tight
and hope folks are willing to work around the small
space, and craft, as someone said, a lil' 3D haiku.

What do people say?

I say stick to your original plans. Seems you already have people willing to build what you want in the existing space. Don't be like the "other" Lindens and change the rules to the game half way through!

Besides.....small is good.



-TK

I agree with Tracey, it is a drag when the rules are changed.

I also agree with your point that you dont want to hoarde land.

That being said I really think you should see the little mock up I did.

I don't think you need a ton more. It doesnt have to be the Gov Mansion... and you can *always* add on later.

If you wanna buy one more plot and make the thing retangular, that would be cool with me - I'm fine either way. People seem to forget how big 10 meters is when you can make an object that size with a quick click.

And lyra - you should sleep it off before you post. Most of that made absolutely no sense.

Oh well, off to buy a new mobo.

bbc