Neualtenburg: History?

Hello, I am only now beginning to peruse the forums and love Second Life. I have always been very interested in Neualtenburg, but as I understand it there have been some political developments/revolutions in it in the near past.

As one who has no idea about the history behind the project, I was wondering if there is a wiki or anywhere I might go to get the history and present status of this project?

Thank you for your help.

The official SL history wiki is at history.secondserver.net, however you'll find that the Neualtenburg history page has been blanked due to a conflict over the name and the posting of copyrighted information without permission. We're currently working on new content, yet there will be no updates until the conflict has been resolved.

~Ulrika~

The Projekt is now in Phase III after the failure of Phase II to live up to it's promise of becoming a cooperative dedicated to the protection of the artisan class.

You will find the current iteration of The Neualtenburg Projekt in Port Neualtenburg (located in the Funadama Sim)

There is info on Phase III of this projekt in the Neualtenburg Projekt folder. In the mantime uoi can also visit our website at neualtenburg.org.

The official City of Neualtenburg's website is now at neualtenburg.info

We may or may not change the name in the future.

Feel free to visit the city any time. Just type in neualtenburg in the map to find our sim.

You can find analytic, objective discussion of this project and other resident-initiated projects involving self governance here in the group forum of the Law Society. Unfortunately there are very few experiments like Neualtenburg in SL. Lots of commercial projects by land developers and so on, but an attempt by a group to self-organize into a democratic self-governing community is rare.

One reason might be a quirk of forum culture. Negative reactions to ideas and personalities tend to be phrased in a more attention-getting style than the friendly 'well done' kind of posts. Perhaps negative reactions motivate people to post more and to use stronger language? The result may skew the reader's assessment of how well-received a project is. I feel that this quirk of forum culture has unfairly influenced public perceptions about Neualt.

Has this discouraged other groups from trying their own democratic self-governance experiments? That's my own hypothesis, but it's fairly hard to prove or disprove it.

Thoughts:

1) Ah, doesn't look like they are history - if anything, new groups are going off and building upon lessons of the past.

2) Their ongoing experiment *profoundly* influences and educates me.

3) It's all about what you want to do.

Honestly, considering the time they got started, had their goals been expansion they could have (should have?) been as large as the Alliez island group by now. But that wasn't the goal, now was it?

The current Neualtenburg website is at www.neualtenburg.info, with the wiki (containing the constitution, laws, and transcripts of meetings) being at wiki.neualtenburg.info.

Any other project with that name is not referring to the virtual community that started in Anzere and moved to the private sim of Neualtenburg.

well that's just plain wrong isn't it, Aliasi.

The only Neualtenburg Sim sanctioned by the Founders of Neualtenburg Anzere and The Neualtenburg Projekt is infact Port Neualtenburg.

If there is a community which embraces the ideas and goals of the original Anzere Sim it is certainly not your Walled City.

Information on joining PHASE III of The Neualtenburg Projekt is at the official and original website at neualtenburg.org.

Please stop spreading disinformation. Ulrika and I have divorced ourselves from your City, and no longer consider it valid.

The site Kendra and Ulrika boast is the true one. the other is an attempt at a takeover and a different project.

Neualtenburg is not "Ulrika and Kendra's Pet Sandbox". In the initial creation, you were far from the only voice in creating the community. Sadly, many of those important posts have been swept away on these forums. Even so, I find your claims to be dubious; you have no more right to "claim" Neualtenburg than ol' Tom Jefferson could have claimed to own the United States of America; you certainly did not persist in this claim until it was situationally advantageous for you to do so, you most certainly never claimed any of these things when I joined up.

As you seem ignorant of the history of the Projekt, I'll excuse your outburst.

Carry on with your projekt, I didn't recognize your projekt at any time. I joined the city and bought land in the sim.. The sim and city Neualtenburg continues in your absence.

Enjoy it. It's a lovely little political role play Sim.

Neualtenburg, however, (and it's role within the Projekt) is a a serious attempt at communal living in an artist's community, and is currently located in the Funadama Sim.

It has nothing to do with the location you name.

Most people who are aware of Neualtenburg know who the founders of Neualtenburg are.
I suppose it's a shame that Ulrika and myself are two things you can't bottle up and steal.

If your wish is to keep using our IP, I would suggest you change the theme from Bavarian to Pirate.

Never was Neualtenburg marketed as an artist's community to me, I'm no artist and would never join an artist's community. I think it (the artist's community) was your intention from the beginning, I remember you said in a thread that was what you wanted originally, but Ulrika had other ideas that you helped her pursue instead. In essence, you gave up your dream to help her. I'm glad you are finally realizing your own dream.

Good luck with the projekt.

Cow,

I hope that answered your question.

Why do you think an artist's guild was made the third and most powerful branch of the government?

It was originated as a communal land project dedicated to protecting the rights of the artisan class. It always was. Ulrika and I BOTH shared that dream. Why do you think she joined me?

Phase II veered off course when the bureocracy decided to weaken the Artisanal Branch in favor of becoming a parliamentary role playing environment.

The "Neualtenburg" you joined is not even close to being the Anzere Neualtenburg. That distinction belongs to the Neualtenburg that has returned to it's proper place on the main grid.

Port Neualtenburg

What you joined is a rental agency with an attached rp "Government".

And let's be honest --you joined to help pile on Ulrika and Me.
Mission accomplished. We've moved on. When will you?

It's like pulling a genie out of the box when you mention the "N" word on the forums.

To the OP, the recent "revolutions" (just changes really) in Neualtenburg are actually still ongoing. Needless to say there is a lot of confusion between the city/sim of Neualtenburg and the similarly named project that was behind it's creation.

Being as the sim is in the process of splitting off from two of the more vocal of the founders, there is still a lot of uh... debate, going on. If you read this whole thread and go to the two wiki links posted you will get the general gist of how things have gone. I would only like to correct a few things that I feel have been said or implied in error.

1) The original Neualtenburg Projekt (now in Phase III as an artists collective) was not just Ulrika and Kendra, it was a group of many people. Those two were the largest contributors but not the only originators or owners of the idea.

I wasn't there at the beginning, but my summary from talking at length with everyone involved and knowing all the personalities is that Kendra was the one most responsible for the original look and feel of the city and the style and theme of things whereas Ulrika could be considered to be the primary mover behind the original shape of the Government itself. Those are generalisations of course and don't negate the important contributions of many people to all aspects of the project.

2) Three of the four or five avatars primarily responsible for creating the city of Neualtenburg, founding the sim, and starting the government still live in the city and two of them are still members of the Government. Also, avatars involved in the founding of the city who subsequently left due to personal differences have expressed a desire to return now that Phase III has split off. So the characterisation of us (above) as a group of usurpers or as people using "someone else's idea" is not true.

3) The city/sim of Neualtenburg is soon to be renamed to clear up the confusion over the "N" word and also to dissasociate ourselves to a degree from the "personalities" issue. The government slowly evolves like all governments and will be around for a long long time. Both the shape and character of the city and the form of the government have evolved strongly over time and will most likely continue to so so.

4) It's really a toss up as to who "split-off" from whom. The fairest way to think of it IMO is as two of the founders moving to the "Port Neualtenburg - Phase III," while the rest of the original members will carry on with the sim under a new name.

5) The soon to be renamed city of Neualtenburg is not about "how many sims we can get" (*frowns at Desmond*), it's about real government in a virtual world. MOst other sims that say they are countries or governments are really just groups of people with someone benevolently in charge and perhaps the odd collective or co-operative.

Dianne

Name another. Seriously --name one more person other than Ulrika or myself who originated the concept of Neualtenburg.

Ulrika and I came up with Neualtenburg --and THEN we sought out people to join us.
The early contributors were indeed very valuable to the Projekt, but they were by no means founders or originators of the idea. That was Ulrika --and to a smaller degree me.



The other people who came aboard first aren't even part of the Projekt any longer, much less the private Sim you still call "Neualtenburg". You do have a couple of people that joined the Anzere Sim after it had been built and developed.



Who would those be? I see nobody in your current Sim who helped create the City. I see a couple who joined later once the City in Anzere was built.

I would characterize you as a group of people that have worked diligently to change "Neualtenburg" into something of your own liking and throw out those who insisted on keeping the Projekt on course. Mission Accomplished! It's not Neualtenburg any longer.



Then why are the residents of your community continuing to stir up that confusion by continuing to spread false info as to which is the real and true Neualtenburg? Clearly you still seek to benefit from the association.




Okay. So the Neualtenburg Projekt has advanced to a third phase --while the second phase of that Projekt (declared a failure by it's founders) will continue on it's own.

That's exciting! Doesn't make it Neualteburg though.



I fail to see how your group functions as a "real" government. I do see how it functions as a needlessly complicated system for 30 residents.

Phase III has gone for a more appropriate model of "government" (if you could call it that) for the same number of people (so far). Phase III will grow as the people grow, not in advance of the People's needs.

Phase III employs A tribalist notion of society employing the strengths of capitalist, socialist
and even feudalist models while deciding to grow it's system organically as opposed to the continual activity of writing and rewriting codified law in over inflated fake legalize.

We are already developing Phase IV and V.

Colonial Neualtenburg and The Synod respectively.


The Neualtenburg Projekt remains committed to it's place on the main-grid.

(Patience Meter Goes Red.)

And yet, Dianne, when I look between the soon-to-be-renamed City, and Caledon...

One has it's own name, that it can keep without running into legal trouble.
One has five sims and is planning on the sixth.
One hasn't been split by internal strife to the point where DMCA filings were made.
One is prosperous, not having alienated one fourth of their income to the point where she left.

So, when we get right down to it, what's been more successful?

I know where I want to live. It's not the place where the structure has ossified - I prefer substance over form, y'know?

Phedre
Happily FORMER ambassador to the city with no name.

I seriously adore you for this.

I'm curious why you would think that isn't a good idea of "real government."

There is also the remote possibility of keeping the old name. It's up to the citizens. Once that's decided I'm sure you can find some other bone to pick.

Phedre, please take no offense, I am personally very grateful that you attended the town hall and answered our call of need. I hope we can establish an embassy and re-establish relations with Caledon as soon as the name issue is settled. I personally am impressed and in awe of Caledon's accomplishments.

Kendra, thanks for fixing the Rauthaus wall last night, your opinions and artisanal mastery are always greatly appreciated. We hope to work you in the future and I personally would be interested in eventually opening an embassy in Port Neualtenburg. In fact I'd be happy to build in where we are. Nothing says "we've moved on and buried the hatchet" like a build dedicated to the peaceful, good relationship between both organizations.

Salzie Sachertorte is our public information officer and may serve in the diplomatic role. She's much better at it than I am.

There's no point in this ceaseless bickering of my org is bigger/better than yours. Residents have at least 3 (4 if you count the mafia) if not more choices for a resident run gov't. That's great! It's not like Frosted Flakes must declare war on Shredded Wheat. Each has its own following according to taste. We can all live on the shelf together in peace, giving the customer more choices. Yummy!

My best to each of you,

Pelanor Eldrich
Member of the Representative Assembly (DPU)

I'm hoping to see a complete dismantling of any vestiges of the old Neualtenburg, to be replaced with a completely new look and feel.

I hope it becomes a place where the people truly rule, and there are no egos to appease. A place where people will come to have fun, socialize, share ideas and form meaningful relationships as neighbors should.

The idea of an artist's commune is the least appealing thing I can imagine. Having one person run roughshod over the others is not my idea of learning to get along.

So, yes, I'm glad the power struggles are over, I'm glad people who are now in control are less likely to abuse their power. I would never have joined when your idol was ruler. But now I plan to be here forever. Mission accomplished indeed. God is in charge.

As ever, Pelanor you impress me with your diplomacy and you will always be welcome in Port Neualtenburg. When I think of your city, I will think of you as an example of how high your citizenry can rise.

You know --I really am trying to stay positive with this. I applaud your city's wish to establish itself seperately from The Neualtenburg Projekt, I would hope that your city would similarly applaud my efforts at continuing the Projekt into it's future phases.

The old vestiges of Neualtenburg are in Port Neualtenburg.



Good luck to ya!



Um --that's kind of the opposite of what I'm doing --Do you know what a commune is?
Port Neualtenburg is egalitarian --it does not have labyrithian Governmental heirarchies.




Your system of Government fosters power struggle. Now that they have defeated the evil menace of Ulrika and I, they will no doubt pick a new scapegoat. I frankly can't wait to see who it will be. Perhaps you?