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Ulrika Zugzwang

Magnanimous in Victory

Join date: 10 Jun 2004

Posts: 6,382

04-07-2005 10:58

From: Ghoti Nyak

If, at some point in the future, Linden Lab decides to implement an overarching player-based government system, or components of these systems, then each of us will have to look at the situation and decide for ourselves if it’s worth staying.

I think it's time we put these player-based government fears to rest once and for all. It will never happen. LL's philosophy has always been to create a relatively unrestricted virtual environment, leaving the content-creation to the users. An overarching player-based government simply is not in line with this philosophy.

I believe the existence of this forum is in line with their philosophy, as they see opt-in governments and self rule as just another form of content creation.

See? Everyone relax. Who knows, someday you might join an opt-in sim with self rule.

~Ulrika~

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Ghoti Nyak

καλλιστι

Join date: 7 Aug 2004

Posts: 2,078

04-07-2005 11:32

From: Ulrika Zugzwang

I think it's time we put these player-based government fears to rest once and for all. It will never happen. LL's philosophy has always been to create a relatively unrestricted virtual environment, leaving the content-creation to the users. An overarching player-based government simply is not in line with this philosophy.

Agreed.

That is no reason to not address the statists when they come a-marchin'.

-Ghoti

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Jamie Bergman

SL's Largest Distributor

Join date: 17 Feb 2005

Posts: 1,752

Wealth Redistribution?

04-07-2005 12:22

Hands off my money, beo***!!!!

[ha ha, i always wanted to say that]

Bodhi Kojima

one of the proud 48%

Join date: 10 Feb 2004

Posts: 75

04-07-2005 12:47

From: Kim Charlton

On the other hand: if you take a relaxed look at the documented era of human history, every society seems to develop a kind of government after some time. (Even small tribes have that and one could argue that even families have one.) It is interesting to see how much people in societies with elaborate govermental system abhore 'government' and how much people in chaotic or - temporary - anarchic societies crave for government

no No NO NO NO!

If you look at the rise of surplus created by the neolithic revolution (about 10 K yers ago) it is only then that you can see the rise of governments. With the abandonment of nomadic lifestyles comes accumulation of surplus that leads to the creation of elite classes dominating the lower ones.

There are extant (exisiting) groups currently in the human population that do fine without government, mostly bushmen and other small bands.

I can only imagine that our friend Invect desires to be a member of the new SL elite. Bosh! For once a society is forming that is completely voluntary and not dependent on physical needs like food ro violence. Demanding a creation of an elite class to "rule" us is as pointless as it is insulting.

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Bruno Buckenburger

Registered User

Join date: 30 Dec 2004

Posts: 464

04-07-2005 14:58

We live in a dictatorship, my friends. Accept it. Delude yourselves into thinking how when you are king of your sim you'll change the world. Phillip is our dictator.

We'll never have true representative government. Nor should we. I may not always agree with LL but I trust them. Some of you nudnicks who want to rule the world would be absolutely clueless in how to deal with real issues.

StoneSelf Karuna

His Grace

Join date: 13 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,955

04-07-2005 15:10

From: Bruno Buckenburger

I may not always agree with LL but I trust them.

i don't trust them. but i can often predict what to expect from them. and that is sufficient for most of my purposes.

having ll state their governing policies makes my predictions better. and i like that.

however, were i the linden administerin body, i'd want help from the residents to take care of some of the details. there's a lot of work out there, and ll had very many pressing issues in addition the administrivia. if some of this administrivia could be passed onto to volunteers, e.g not employees who need to be paid us$. then i'd see that as advantageous. and if you think about it, you'll see that ll has done this on more than one occasion. sl residents have done work for ll, and sl residents have help formulate policy in sl.

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We Need A Central Government
Ulrika Zugzwang Magnanimous in Victory Join date: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 6,382	04-07-2005 10:58 From: Ghoti Nyak If, at some point in the future, Linden Lab decides to implement an overarching player-based government system, or components of these systems, then each of us will have to look at the situation and decide for ourselves if it’s worth staying. I think it's time we put these player-based government fears to rest once and for all. It will never happen. LL's philosophy has always been to create a relatively unrestricted virtual environment, leaving the content-creation to the users. An overarching player-based government simply is not in line with this philosophy. I believe the existence of this forum is in line with their philosophy, as they see opt-in governments and self rule as just another form of content creation. See? Everyone relax. Who knows, someday you might join an opt-in sim with self rule. ~Ulrika~ _____________________ Chik-chik-chika-ahh
Ghoti Nyak καλλιστι Join date: 7 Aug 2004 Posts: 2,078	04-07-2005 11:32 From: Ulrika Zugzwang I think it's time we put these player-based government fears to rest once and for all. It will never happen. LL's philosophy has always been to create a relatively unrestricted virtual environment, leaving the content-creation to the users. An overarching player-based government simply is not in line with this philosophy. Agreed. That is no reason to not address the statists when they come a-marchin'. -Ghoti _____________________ "Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
Jamie Bergman SL's Largest Distributor Join date: 17 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,752	Wealth Redistribution? 04-07-2005 12:22 Hands off my money, beo***!!!! [ha ha, i always wanted to say that]
Bodhi Kojima one of the proud 48% Join date: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 75	04-07-2005 12:47 From: Kim Charlton On the other hand: if you take a relaxed look at the documented era of human history, every society seems to develop a kind of government after some time. (Even small tribes have that and one could argue that even families have one.) It is interesting to see how much people in societies with elaborate govermental system abhore 'government' and how much people in chaotic or - temporary - anarchic societies crave for government no No NO NO NO! If you look at the rise of surplus created by the neolithic revolution (about 10 K yers ago) it is only then that you can see the rise of governments. With the abandonment of nomadic lifestyles comes accumulation of surplus that leads to the creation of elite classes dominating the lower ones. There are extant (exisiting) groups currently in the human population that do fine without government, mostly bushmen and other small bands. I can only imagine that our friend Invect desires to be a member of the new SL elite. Bosh! For once a society is forming that is completely voluntary and not dependent on physical needs like food ro violence. Demanding a creation of an elite class to "rule" us is as pointless as it is insulting. _____________________ I think deep down we're all a little bald now... -Toast Bard
Bruno Buckenburger Registered User Join date: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 464	04-07-2005 14:58 We live in a dictatorship, my friends. Accept it. Delude yourselves into thinking how when you are king of your sim you'll change the world. Phillip is our dictator. We'll never have true representative government. Nor should we. I may not always agree with LL but I trust them. Some of you nudnicks who want to rule the world would be absolutely clueless in how to deal with real issues.
StoneSelf Karuna His Grace Join date: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,955	04-07-2005 15:10 From: Bruno Buckenburger I may not always agree with LL but I trust them. i don't trust them. but i can often predict what to expect from them. and that is sufficient for most of my purposes. having ll state their governing policies makes my predictions better. and i like that. however, were i the linden administerin body, i'd want help from the residents to take care of some of the details. there's a lot of work out there, and ll had very many pressing issues in addition the administrivia. if some of this administrivia could be passed onto to volunteers, e.g not employees who need to be paid us$. then i'd see that as advantageous. and if you think about it, you'll see that ll has done this on more than one occasion. sl residents have done work for ll, and sl residents have help formulate policy in sl. _____________________ AIDS IS NOT OVER. people are still getting aids. people are still living with aids. people are still dying from aids. please help me raise money for hiv/aids services and research. you can help by making a donation here: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1409 .

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