a suggestion about that bush guy

I don't want my experience influenced by your opinion about what cheapens property values.

Uh...that made sense...

So if I own the land a sign is on, and I pay tier, how are my interests being protected? Are my rights to place items on my land any different than anyone else's? Who dictates what people can place on their land? The bush-sign guy pays for his land and tier, same as anyone else in SL.

Who's going to complain about all of the FOR SALE and RENT ME spinning 10m x 10m boxes dotting the landscape and ruining the view? Who's going to complain about the advertising signs all over the place with a similarly obnoxious obstruction of view?

How many posts have been made about some of the casino signs? Hell, while we're on the topic... what about people who build ugly houses and shops? Can we require them to try again or buy a prefab?

This is not about people being unhappy with the skyline... this is about people attempting to stifle the views and opinions of another individual. It's shameful.

You do realize that LindenLabs encourages RL business to come to SL, right? It's part of their business model. If Coca~Cola decided to put vending machines in SL, they can.

The bush signs are only abuse if you are going to consider all of the other similarly shaped and sized signs abuse as well.

Yes, and in that case, they could advertise their SL products. But not their RL products. If those two things coincide, that's fine. My point is that I don't think SL is an advertising platform. Incidentally, I'm friendly to reputable companies that we all patronize, like Coke, Pepsi, etc, and I like some of their advertising.


It's the content that I'm objecting to, not the ugliness. Although I dislike ugliness too, I'm not suggesting banning ugliness, just politics. And the reason why I'm objecting is not because I like or dislike Bush, but because I don't believe it has a constructive purpose in SL. If I was the only one who felt this way, it wouldn't be an issue, but I'm obviously not.


That's unforunate too. But in life some things can't be fixed, and some things can.

It is not for you to decide what is or is not harmonious in SL. If you are going to ban one real life topic... what's next? Free speech is free speech.



Right... and there are a lot of people who disagree with all sorts of things that are protected by the constitution.



True... some things can be fixed. I don't like your personal beliefs about this. I am going to have your free expression of them banned.

Get my point?

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight... to the death, to defend your right to say it." ~ Voltaire

Depends on your reasons for placing them, I would think. If it's to purposely cause misery for people and generate controversy at the expense of other people's enjoyment of 2L, I'd say your right to freedom of speech is being abused. Just my opinion.



Perhaps, perhaps not. However, let's say you bought some nice oceanfront property with a nice big house, for a ton of money. Then someone comes along and buys all the adjacent property, plants huge billboards, and refuses to take them down if you ask nicely. Somehow, I don't think you'd be sitting on your deck, staring at a billboard instead of the skyline, and saying "Gosh I'm glad this person is expressing himself freely". I know I wouldn't...I'd burn down those billboards faster than you can say "city ordinance".

Again, just my opinions. Your mileage may vary

Me and my neighbor had the problem of the -!psycho sign man! - and my neighbor arranged with other landowners to just cover it with whatever... Nobody could see the "protest", *cough*, and he did drop the for sale price. Just ignore him, cover his signs tastefully as a community, and he will just fade away...

Uhhhh Philip stated that big business probably wouldnt do well in SL on an interview so i dunno where u got ur info lol!

zoning laws in game *ouch* eyes bleeding from reading this.... Ok listen up folks while we may all hate the bush guy he has a right to do it. There are ways to cover up his signs etc. Thats why i love SL ur free to do stupid crap like that lol. While he may be annoying did you ever think he gets off on the Fussing about it? Mabye he does it because you keep talking about it.

There are people that do this they want attention and you are basically feeding him over and over. I say let it go really whats the harm? So its an asthetics nightmare this isnt real life its not really a big deal. Now im serious in SL and i take it that way. Im there for fun and i keep it that way. Sure i co own a club sure i make tattoos and other stuff but im here for fun. I did this stuff at my time when i was ready.

People need to just cool off really. Zoning would just create alot of problems land for shops would go down land for houses would also go down. People are free to pick where they live if their choice!!!

I don't claim to have the answers - tis a tricky situation indeed. However there are a few ramifications to SL allowing this to happen unfettered. The two that bother me the most.

1) When he's offering to sell the plot with the sign to neighbors at well over market prices - that's not free speech, it's extortion.

2) I hear the argument on this thread a lot "if you censor this guy - where does it end?" I sort of agree. But I would like to pose the opposite argument. SL has now passively condoned this sort of behavior, so now anyone is free to litter the mainland with signs expressing any and all opinions, no matter how unpopular, un politicaly correct, etc - as long as they are crafted so as not to break the TOS (ie: not vulgar, hate related, threatening, etc.)

Just my $.02L

I'm kind of surprised you can split off a piece of land smaller than 512 m3 anyhow...how do people end up with these little postage stamp parcels anyhow?

I would guess the guy is saying, fine you don't like my signs, here's what it costs to shut me up. Not hard to block it with a tree or something.

Speech is eminently free in SL from my short observation. There's stuff all over the place that might offend the intellect, the heart or the senses. Some verbal, some physical. It's sorted somewhat by the PG vs Mature zones, and constricted by the TOS, but beyond that you can do whatever.

America is a mess right now in part because people are newly emboldened to control the ideas and thoughts of others. Do you really want to import that to SL?

Actually, it is. The blockage is almost as bad as the signs in terms of ugliness.

If the signs were advertising a new vampy goth club... I wonder how many people would complain.

Seems to me he prolly just puts them up so you people on the forums will talk about it and he can come read this stuff and laugh. In other words. He's just doing it to piss off a rather small but powerfull group of people in the secondlife community who seem to buy all the land build all(most) of the stuff and bellow loudest when thier needs are not met first. As for all the rest of ya(me included) trying to get inside this guys head and yakk about what makes him tick? Mebee we should just ask him and as for the SL "Illuminati" You got the cash. Slip "God" a couple grand to go on a coffee break or somthing......

This thread is still going?

Hasn't anyone noticed that Lazarus Divine no longer exists?

I am amazed why someone would even want to bring the concerns of RL in here at all. In here there are no geo-politics. Face it, the AV vote just does not exist in RL. So much other stuff to do in here. Why do some insist in building eyesores? Are they just angry people wanting company?

Because avs are, in the end, powered by people, who don't stop being people when they log on.

Ick! I sure as hell would.

Feature request for 1.11:

Object/Texture blocking - allows certain objects or textures to be blocked (i.e. not loaded) by the SL client based on their key. Blocked textures will render as transparent, blocked objects will not be drawn, their scripts will not execute, and will not affect your avatar in any way.

I can think of a few uses for this

You can do it now. Turn on occlusion culling. Put an invisiprim in front of what you don't want to see.

There. Done.

(pssst, the Bush guy hasn't been in SL for months!)

Already have a gun that does precisely that


Possibly related request: Those who havent been in SL for a certain amount of time should have all their objects returned and land released. This would not only clean up the bushyman's act, but also a lot of random garbage left over from people who no longer play or got b&hammered.

(Jessie is a really good example of this..)

I'd settle for autoreturn getting set. Did charter members get a free tier or something? I see a lot of charter member land that hasn't been used in years.