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Resignation from Resmod position.

MJ Hathor
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01-30-2006 18:51
From: Lecktor Hannibal
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Chip Midnight
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01-30-2006 19:19
From: katykiwi Moonflower
Chip made the point that we are all adults here, but sometimes I wonder about the conduct I see. I dont know adults in my first life who call one another names and insult the way we see it in forum posts.


It's a different mode of communication and different idiom. It's like silent movies compared to "talkies." Everyone overacts a bit (and overreacts). People are always more rhetorical when writing than when speaking. It's a good thing to keep that in mind.
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01-30-2006 19:25
From: Chip Midnight
It's a different mode of communication and different idiom. It's like silent movies compared to "talkies." Everyone overacts a bit (and overreacts). People are always more rhetorical when writing than when speaking. It's a good thing to keep that in mind.


Dang it Chip, quit bein' all smart and stuff... :p

Der :D
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01-30-2006 19:26
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01-30-2006 19:29
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Nolan Nash
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01-30-2006 22:02
From: Talen Morgan
I'm sorry you had to go through all this MJ you is a fine upstanding forum poster and have always been awesome to read in the forums....its unfortunate that LL threw all the new resmods ( which are all good people in my book ) to the wolves as sacrificial lambs

As for Jeska pointing out any personal attacks ...well she's wrong and no one from LL will explain their actions...I never made a personal attack against anyone in that thread period much less a direct personal attack....this is what ticks me off about LL....do they really believe there werent a bunch of us that saw that thread to the end? There were a minimum of four resmods responding and watching it too....funny how so many people missed this direct personal attack and yet Jeska found it...

I watched that thread from birth to demise, and there was NO personal attack. None.

That Pen, is why I employed sarcasm in my last post in this thread.
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Flavian Molinari
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01-30-2006 22:45
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But, I think worst of all is Linden Lab's implementation of "responsibility without authority". What a lame move. Jeska will you do my work for me? It is unpleasant and ungratifying and I don't want to pay you and if you don't mind, I'd like you to do it with both hands tied behind your back. kthxbye.



This and people fanning the fire because they were not picked creates a system where very few if any will want to be a forum mod.
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01-30-2006 23:02
From: Flavian Molinari
This and people fanning the fire because they were not picked creates a system where very few if any will want to be a forum mod.

Can you recommend a good clairvoyance class?
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Flavian Molinari
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01-30-2006 23:27
From: Nolan Nash
Can you recommend a good clairvoyance class?


Don't need one. People have said they applied and were not picked. The same people started threads flamming the new system.

Just a hunch, if these people were picked I suspect the bashing threads would not have been so harsh.

I also believe if there is another call for forum mod volunteers the list will be quiet a bit shorter than the original one.
Nolan Nash
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01-30-2006 23:43
From: Flavian Molinari
Don't need one. People have said they applied and were not picked. The same people started threads flamming the new system.

Just a hunch, if these people were picked I suspect the bashing threads would not have been so harsh.

I also believe if there is another call for forum mod volunteers the list will be quiet a bit shorter than the original one.

Ohhhh kayyyy boss.
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01-31-2006 00:14
From: Nolan Nash
Ohhhh kayyyy boss.


Thanks for the sarcasim there employee. This Res Mod forum event reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes.

God forbid I point out the obvious and I say anything against the local post whores.

Somebody might think I'm not cool :(
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01-31-2006 00:41
From: Flavian Molinari
Thanks for the sarcasim there employee. This Res Mod forum event reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes.

God forbid I point out the obvious and I say anything against the local post whores.

Somebody might think I'm not cool :(

What's obvious to me is that you like to base theories on unprovable assumptions, even though 99% of us who have issues with the program have no personal issues with the people who are ResMods, and have stated as such dozens of times. I guess they're all liars too, as well as jealous post whores, huh?

It's ok, assuming people's motives automatically imbues one with superior character, right?

Post whores eh?

I find it hillarious that those in this thread who are issuing blanketed personal attacks are those selfsame folks criticizing those who have reservations about the program. It's also funny that the thread hasn't been moved to purgatory yet, because it contains caustic language from the same folks. Should I press the red triangle? Naw, I'll leave that up to the employees of The Ministry of Truth.

So, since we're all about assuming here, is it safe to assume that you support Talen being formally warned for a thread that contained no personal attack or ToS violation what so ever?

Please note - lest the above paragraph be construed as some sort of "jealousy" - that would be a criticism of LL and the program itself, not the ResMods, as they have no authority to warn people or delete threads.

Attributing motive for criticism to jealousy is a fallacious and lame rhetorical device used by those without a solid counter-argument. In fact it's ad hominem. Oh well.
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01-31-2006 01:05
From: Nolan Nash
What's obvious to me is that you like to base theses on unprovable assumptions, even though 99% of us who have issues with the program have no personal issues with the people who are ResMods, and have stated as such dozens of time.

It's ok, assuming people's motives automatically imbues one with superior character, right?

Post whores eh?

I find it hillarious that those in this thread who are issuing blanketed personal attacks are those selfsame folks criticizing those who have reservations about the program. It's also funny that the thread hasn't been moved to purgatory yet, because it contains caustic language from the same folks. Should I press the red triangle? Naw, I'll leave that up to the employees of The Ministry of Truth.

So, since we're all about assuming here, is it safe to assume that you support Talen being formally warned for a thread that contained no personal attack or ToS violation what so ever?

Please note - lest the above paragraph be construed as some sort of "jealousy" - that would be a criticism of LL and the program itself, not the ResMods, as they have no authority to warn people or delete threads.

Attributing motive for criticism to jealousy is a fallacious and lame rhetorical device used by those without a solid counter-argument. In fact it's ad hominem. Oh well.



I didn't read your whole post because it's boring.

I'm pretty sure you didnt read mine either because I didn't say anything about the Res Mods being attacked personally. As far as unprovable assumption, this isn't a court of law.

If it looks like dog shit and smells like dog shit and it came from a dog. Then it must be dog shit. What's there to prove? Should I prove the sky is blue?

The only questions I've had about this program is why would someone actually want to be a Res Mod. Everything else about it has been obvious.
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01-31-2006 01:38
Everyone... breath in.... and.. exhale.

Thank you.

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Nolan Nash
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01-31-2006 01:38
From: Flavian Molinari
I didn't read your whole post because it's boring.
Uh huh. I suppose I could have used phrases like "jealous", "post whores", or "dog shit" to make it more "interesting" for you.

From: Flavian Molinari
I'm pretty sure you didnt read mine either because I didn't say anything about the Res Mods being attacked personally. As far as unprovable assumption, this isn't a court of law.
I didn't say they were personally attacked either. I said that most people have stated time and again, that their reasons for criticizing the program were not jealousy nor personal issues with any particular resmods. Pardon me for expanding upon it.

Oh, and the grade school rhetoric you're employing here isn't helping your case. Especially if you support the program - as your language is in direct conflict with the spirit of the program.

From: Flavian Molinari
If it looks like dog shit and smells like dog shit and it came from a dog. Then it must be dog shit. What's there to prove? Should I prove the sky is blue?
Oh my stars, I have been PWNED! :rolleyes: Actually the sky isn't blue, it just appears as such due to the Rayleigh Scattering effect. The blue wavelength of sunlight is scattered and the other wavelengths aren't! They pass virtually straight through, and the sky itself is virtually transparent! See how that works? When we take things to be what we think are "obvious" (assumption), many times there's a lot more to it.

From: Flavian Molinari
The only questions I've had about this program is why would someone actually want to be a Res Mod. Everything else about it has been obvious.
Don't know, and don't much care. All I know is that my motive for criticizing the program is because the cart was put before the horse (the ResMods were not breifed properly, the criteria for thread movement and sequesting has not been made available to the public, and the VBulletin software was not tested in the capacity they wished to employ it), and ResMods get the particulars of ARs. I don't think that jives very well with LL's historical insistence on "preventing escalation" by sealing that info. I am of the mind that if we're going to go down that road - since the forums and in-world are connected by disciplinary action - then we should have complete transparency in both. In other words, publish the names of the accused and their accusers, otherwise we have inconsistency.
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01-31-2006 02:45
MJ, thanks for trying as hard as you did. i know you were trying to both enjoy your position and to make a helpful and decent ResMod.. and in my opinion, you were doing a good job.

i'm sorry to see your resignation and you have my condolences.. on the other hand, i appreciate your position and i'm sure you're enjoying the air on the other side, where it's much easier to breathe and be yourself. (and thanks for your stated intentions of making our job easier ;))
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01-31-2006 03:31
From: Flavian Molinari
the local post whores.



You mean some people get paid for posting here? :eek:
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01-31-2006 03:36
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You mean some people get paid for posting here? :eek:

Hahahaha!

*Shakes his moneymaker*

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01-31-2006 03:58
From: Nolan Nash
Oh my stars, I have been PWNED! :rolleyes: Actually the sky isn't blue, it just appears as such due to the Rayleigh Scattering effect. The blue wavelength of sunlight is scattered and the other wavelengths aren't! They pass virtually straight through, and the sky itself is virtually transparent! See how that works? When we take things to be what we think are "obvious" (assumption), many times there's a lot more to it.


To be anal about it, this means the sky is blue. Color is simply the result of perception of different wavelengths of light. Now, ordinarily, we base color on the light that is reflected off of an object. In the case of the sky, we're seeing the light that isn't reflected. But either way, it's mostly just a case of perception - The sky is blue because we percieve it as blue, if we expound logicly from the conclusion of Descartes' evil genius hypothesis. The sky would only not be blue if we subscribed to a more dated view of perceptive reality, such as Platolian forms, which would say that we have no way of knowing the true Form of the sky except by comparison of all derivations of Sky, which include green, gray, yellow, blue, red, pink, purple, etc... This, verses a more Aristolian view of hylomorphic composite reality, which would allow for the sky being blue, because matter makes it blue, regardless of what the Form of sky is.
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01-31-2006 04:14
From: Reitsuki Kojima
To be anal about it, this means the sky is blue. Color is simply the result of perception of different wavelengths of light. Now, ordinarily, we base color on the light that is reflected off of an object. In the case of the sky, we're seeing the light that isn't reflected. But either way, it's mostly just a case of perception - The sky is blue because we percieve it as blue, if we expound logicly from the conclusion of Descartes' evil genius hypothesis. The sky would only not be blue if we subscribed to a more dated view of perceptive reality, such as Platolian forms, which would say that we have no way of knowing the true Form of the sky except by comparison of all derivations of Sky, which include green, gray, yellow, blue, red, pink, purple, etc... This, verses a more Aristolian view of hylomorphic composite reality, which would allow for the sky being blue, because matter makes it blue, regardless of what the Form of sky is.

As I understand it from my meteorology courses in college, we see scattered blue sunlight, and the "white" sunlight goes through nearly unimpeded. The closer to the horizon you look, the paler the blue, because the blue light has to travel further (to your eyes), and is therefore weaker. It is an atrribute of the light interacting with the atmosphere, not the atmosphere itself. When the sun is down, the sky turns black, because the sky itself has no color, other than weather systems or other suspended particulate matter.

The air (sky) is not blue. A portion of the sunlight is. I am not speaking in the philosophical sense, but rather the scientific one.

At any rate, with your addition here, you've highlighted my point - perception isn't necessarily the truth.
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01-31-2006 04:18
From: Nolan Nash
As I understand it from my meteorology courses in college, we see scattered blue sunlight, and the "white" sunlight goes through nearly unimpeded. The closer to the horizon you look, the paler the blue, because the blue light has to travel further (to your eyes), and is therefore weaker. It is an atrribute of the light interacting with the atmosphere, not the atmosphere itself. When the sun is down, the sky turns black, because the sky itself has no color, other than weather systems or other suspended particulate matter.

The air (sky) is not blue. A portion of the sunlight is. I am not speaking in the philosophical sense, but rather the scientific one.

At any rate, with your addition here, you've highlighted my point - perception isn't necessarily the truth.


Well, you're basicly exactly correct, though as for the sky being colorless... Its just that we can't percieve the color, because sky isnt dense enough to reflect enough light to really let us see what it would look like. If you could somehow condense a chunk of sky into a solid mass, you could tell.

So, it's blue because we percieve it as blue :)
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MJ Hathor
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01-31-2006 07:22
Stop making my thread off-topic you two!! (Nolan and Reitsuki) :p

I hear off-topic needs a new thread titled "Why is the sky blue?".

MJ :)
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01-31-2006 07:26
From: MJ Hathor
Stop making my thread off-topic you two!! (Nolan and Reitsuki) :p

I hear off-topic needs a new thread titled "Why is the sky blue?".

MJ :)

LOL. Well, I used it to make a point about Flavian's assumption - since he used it as an example of something "obvious" to him - with respect to his feelings about those critical of the ResMod proggy. Sorry if it meandered a bit. :p

*Smacks the backs of Reitsuki and my hands with a ruler*

And MJ, sorry to hear things went this way for you, and I wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavors. :)
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