is it right to rent out low prim sims as residental living places?

Although a linden says they are low performance:

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....It is therefore important to understand what these regions are; they are provided for light use only, not for building, living in, renting as homes or use for events. As a stretch of open water for boating or a scenic wooded area they are fine, but we do not advise more serious use than this......


I really wonder about their performance and the demand for them.Low prim sim owners and residents who are looking to rent please share your opinnions.

Why O why.................Do you thing sl rotates around you?????????????Gesh
Stop crying! you making alot of money anyways gesh A Chung watanbe

(Drama free post) The Otherland does it, Anshe will probably think about it. So sure.

Hahahah gesh people cry because they can`t get the lnd cheap enough to make a killing anymore. AC ell she can careless i assume these days

It was a question (you saw this? ---> "?", to the ones who are using them already, if they are keeping crashing, laggy, low performance etc. If not,if they can use it just as other sims, i will order and start to rent out too, but i think some of you are really depressive and ready to fight always

gesh......its all about grabbing land and reselling........

Not exactly the thought provoking conversation you had hoped for, I bet.

It would be nice if these sims were marked or named in a way that made it possible for people to be able to identify them.

If i wanted a provoking conversation, i could type something like this:
"People are renting out low performance parcels with very good ads, just keep an open eye bla bla"
I wanted to know about low prim sims, because there is a linden announcement about it: "low performance dont use for building etc."
And some people are renting out them <- i dont say wrong.
But as a businessman i need to know that how are their performance.Good enough to rent out? if good, i will start to rent out too.

It is stupid to think that i am trying to kill a business opportunity which i could use.
But you can think whatever you want

I've been wanting a nice, isolated, quiet beach where I could just lay down a towel and relax in the "sun" (of course in my Aces Spade microkini )

I've searched for them, most of them are far more land and water than I need, and they're expensive tier-wise. Renting is an option I could go for, but if these sims are not for rental, could someone please just develop private beaches for residents to use as little vacation spots (no 500-prim suburban "vacation homes" in sight, palm trees and beach grass only please). Thanks

I think you misunderstood the point of my post. I was sympathizing with you. I think it's a question worth asking and talking about. And instead of a good discussion, you got a bunch of moronic responses.

It's hard to expect anything else in this forum lately.

Nice post, these types of posts are what i wanted to see. So i can decide to enter this kind of business or not. To stop more misunderstandings, i edited my first post

Any of you have these kind of sims? If yes can you please share info about their performances and management tools?

Oh sorry, yes my fault. English is not my native language, sorry about it.

Thank you very much for putting up this question, Kazanture! I don't see this as a PR attack on us or Anshe but as an honest question.

As I am currently renting out these sims, I would be interested in an answer on that question, too! I contacted Linden Lab accordingly.

Before I started renting them, I expressly asked Linden Concierge, if this would be OK and I got an agreement on that. This policy might have changed. Things like that happen. If there is a new policy regarding those sims or should customers experience an overly amount of lag and crashes I will offer full refunds to customers who already rented, of course. Additionally I put all further sales on hold for the time being.

Our experiences with these sims - which we clearly state a slow prim and point out these limitations to every customer in every talk - so far has been satisfactory; as long as you stay within the stated limits.

As I said: I will accept any official Linden policy regarding these sims. I still would love the possibility to use them as (low prim) residential areas. I do not only love them from a business point of view alone.

I love them because they might give us a chance to develop some wide open residential areas for all those who do not want to live in crowded areas. If I just want a large area and I do not need much prims (I am such a type ) this concept is just perfect! I would hate to see those sims only usable as fill-outs ...

One more thing. We will still use them in the further development of The OTHERLAND Archipelago, no matter if we are allowed to rent them out or not.

For example:
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I am really looking for more info. Could any of low prim sim owners post here about their performance please?

TYVM for this post and i am really thinking to use them too Maybe between my full prim sims to create nice ocean areas etc. Low prim sims are definitely a good idea. I was just trying to get more information about them before buying one.

Let me phrase it like that: If Linden Lab puts out this kind of sim in larger quantities - for voids AND for residential use, this might be a much bigger change to the world of Second Life then flexi prims. It would change the landscape forever - and in a very positive way.

Currently land is very inflexible:
- if you need a high primload you have to buy a lot of land
- if you want a large area, you have to buy a lot of prim capacity

Peoples needs are different. Some want many prims on a small area (which is possible to a certain degree on private sims) and some want a large area on which they want to live in a tent.

These new sims make it possible for the first time to fullfil the needs of that second guy! And if they were to be deployed on a larger scale, they surely would make Second Life more beautiful!

Currently, most areas of Second Life are urban or sub-urban in the density of their settlement. These new sims would make it possible and cost effective for the first time to have a true (nearly) undisturbed landscape. Thats why I would like to see more of them on the mainland, too. What a wonderful dream!



p.s.: I am not talking about an elitist concept when wishing for more large area sims. Quite the contrary. It is today that only those, who can afford to fork over more than 120 dollar every month have the freedom to live on a large area of half a sim or more and leave some of that simply ... nature! With the large area sims this can be had for 40$ a month.

Bearing in mind that these are most likely 'recycled' old sims that have been bought and paid for previously, the $1000 'setup' fee is a con. You don't pay full price for second hand goods. There should be a small charge perhaps, but not the cost of a full sim. The low prim count cuts out the majority of uses too - considering old sims used to have 2 or 4 regions stacked up on them and ran at full power with no real reason, I can't figure out what the thinking behind all this is.

If this had been thought through and planned properly, it could have been an amazing step forward and opened up possibilities to many more people to own large lumps of land. Unfortunately, the package of 4 at a time only makes it impractical for the vast majority of people, which then means you have to buy them from a land baron who will sell them individually - and make them a profit on top of LL's cost, thus pricing them out of the market for all except for perhaps large roleplay groups, or clubs and casinos.

Come on LL, how about doing something for the individual player, rather than just the big ones yet again?

Lewis

LIVING IN TENT:




/shot on location in Otherland Archipelago/

/Tina - uses her EXAKT prims to to others.. for example EXAKT Designs..

One of these sims would do me... ok, maybe a few more prims but 1800 is ok.

All I'd want to do is make one build on it. Few, if any, scripts, few, if any, particles, and probably not many visitors. The only thing is, the build would be rather large and come very close to using all the prims available.

I think LL would do well to introduce a half way SIM as well. 2 running on one server. Ok, the land price per SIM would be about $500 but I'd be able to pay that (so long as I am able to sell up on the mainland ), and maybe 1/3 the prims of a full SIM?

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That would suit me fine. I need the 65000 sq/m, I would appreciate >1/8 the prims but I cannot justify coughing up $1000 to get what I need.
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Also, why do they insist on 4 at a time?

Anyway, Otherland may well get a sale from me if they report back ok and are happy with what I have planned...

Anshe Chung is offering some very nice low prim load sims near the Dreamland hub. Very nice they seem too with plenty of space and to date, I have not noticed any degrade in performance in terms of flying/sailing through.

One point does strike me though and that is the number of scripts and max number of people allowed within each sim.

Currently I believe with a normal sim the max number of people in each sim is around 40, but I do not believe there is any limits set on active scripts running.

Perhaps with these new low load sims this is an issue that may need to be addressed, especially as I understand you have 4 sims running on one server.

PS, where is "Otherworld" mentioned in this thread? So many sims so much to see, Dana could you give me some directions if you read this post

I have 4 "low prims sim" (trantor, gaia, terminus, solaria) around a "regular sim" (Area 51).

I bought them as "nice ocean / beach" for area 51.
Additionally :
- i gave one of them to the "SL ecosystem" project (ALife experiment), no performance problem yet, but the project is young and the sim mostly unused.
- another one was used as a sandbox by some random ppl, shouldn't be but it was done. I had 1 performance problem : Time dilatation 0.22, total frame time 2ms. dunno what happened, i restarted the sim and everything was fine.
- i tried jetsky and stuff like that, no problem. One of the sim is used for a "start-up" business, we will provide boat, jetsky, scuba, submarine, ...
- i never stress tested the sim with lot of ppl in the 4 sims at once.

They are available for rental too, but nobody was interested because of the poor prims/USD ratio.

Dana, as long as the customer fully understands what they are getting, I see no problem renting these.

I can see people wanting simple innocent quiet with someone special: two avatars, a blanket and lots of blue sky.

It's a big "if" regarding customer understanding though. Sometimes I find myself explaining what prims are to my customers; I'm sure you do too.

Void sims sound like a perfect getaway for alts of the wealthy - the most beautiful content in SL is still the eternal sea, a quiet shore and someone you love. Quietly offer it to the well SL-educated, discerning customers, I'd say.

I myself have taken the plunge to rent half a low-load sim in the OTHERLAND Archipelago. I went into it with full knowledge of the low-load sim capabilities from their use around the Hollywood sim (the channel island sims.)

In Hollywood they are used for sail boat racing, and more recently the development of other low load outdoor recreational activities. These sims are for when SPACE is more important then PRIMs. Are they more susceptible to crashing? Yes, they put four times the load on a CPU then a regular sim -- so of course, if you go hog wild with scripts they're going to crash and burn.

In the channel island sims, we've had racing regattas with 10+ sailboats. Did the sims lag? Yes. Did we still have fun, and enjoy the ability to have that larger space? Most Definitely.

It also prompted the designer of the boats to re-asses the scripting in the sailboats -- to find ways of making them more resilient to lag (still able to have fun racing them even in high lag situations) as well as recruiting other scripters to look through the code and look for optimizations and efficiency changes that would help reduce the load this boats put on a sim. I now have a beta sailboat that puts about 20% less load on the sim normally, and up to 80% less load under certain conditions compared to the older version of the boat.

IMHO a lot of SecondLife has become bloated. Bloated with unnecessary scripts and/or badly written scripts. There are many fine scripters and builders out there that do a wonderful job making efficient, low-lag inducing products -- but for every good scripter, there are a dozen others that don't "code" in R/L and produce fairly poorly written, high-load inducing scripts. I've also seen the same in building and texturing, where 20 prims are used where 15, or even 10 would look "just as good" -- or when a 1024 x 1024 texture was used, where a 256 x 256 texture would have done the job.

So to take this back to the low-load sims. This is an opportunity that if Space is more important to you then Prim count, and if your careful with your design, and your planned usage, then low-load sims might be just be the perfect solution for you.

I'm hoping it will be for me

P.S. Even the full load classic sims are very nice here...