Public Land: $1600/16m2 ?!?!

Hi Saul,

Yes, that was too broad a brush if you thought it mean "anybody any time". I meant people in this thread who were going to buy from Hank.

I'm selling some right now to some neighbours. Sure, sometimes it happens you leave off a square or someone needs a square. That's not the norm I'm talking to. I mean the problem of the micro-baron empire in the wild. That's just awful.

Ardith, you're spouting nonsense.

Curiousity of the ignorant here, but I haven't really seen anyone go into much detail on the other uses for 16m2 plots.

Could someone please elaborate?

What kinds of neat and shiny things can be done with such small plots?

And, for that matter, how would they play into a griefer's plan?

If I /thought/ it ment??? What else could the phrase "ANY and ALL persons" be taken as?

What was that, Kettle?

Kettle... spouting...


ooohhhh what a delicious pun...

In Chaos I made a maglev chair prototype that circled their trailer park - the station only takes a handfull of prims, but more importantly the rings (although they could be anything) are only 2 - and only for the cool retro sci-fi look (not).

Each ring propels the chair to the next - you get the picture. In this case a few 16 x 16 plots and you have a cool ride that can transit people from one area of the sim to the next.. with a little fuxxing it could be made to cross sim borders.

with a single 16x16 plot you could make a seat rezzer that makes a temp on rez seat you could script to give you a guided tour of a sim.

If you are more into the business side of things - you can make a pretty cool vendor in 3-4 prims. Put all your merchandise in it and you have an instant sales kiosk.

If you're worried about your inventory getting messed in the next update, you could put all your valuables into a single prim - make it transparent and phantom - hide them away for a rainy day - a-la time capsule.

Anyone can make a one prim 'particle bomb' or 'notecard spammer' - but I think I cited some legitimate uses there.

That you did. Thanks! But I'm still confused as to why the size of the plot matters for these things. Why would it matter, in the case of the seat-rezzer you used as an example, if you used a 16m2 plot, as opposed to just having it in a larger plot with other things? Is it just a matter of cutting out a tiny bit of space in a sim for something you only need a little room for(like the signs/vendors)?

In this case for the rings - I could own ALL the land across the sim - a very expensive venture - or own the land UNDER each ring - in this case I only need enough for 1 or 2 prims - a 16 x 16 plot supports 4. Bang for buck.

Of course I wouldn't build such a thing without making sure the landowners BETWEEN those rings were ok with people on a seat whizzing around and over top of their land

Regardless of why he is selling them, they are his to sell. This is what SL is all about. He has a product/resource that others would like to have. You have the opertunity to purchase that product/resource from him. If you do not purchase it and someone else does then you only have yourself to blame.

I do not know you nor Hank, probably never will... but you run somesort of business in the game and he does. He does not tell you how to run yours, you have no right to tell him howto run his.

Good luck on your land sells Hank.

16 m2 parcels are NOT useless. A 16m2 parcel supports THREE WHOLE PRIMS, and that's enough to make this very nice house, with one prim left over, which I used to make a splendid accoutrement.

You can inspect this fine house in Farwell (1,120). The house is included with the land! For only 4,999 you can buy the house AND the land! The price of the fully modifiable and copyable house alone is 4,899, so its like getting the land for only $100!

(That's $6.25 per m2, not bad for mature roadside waterfront land in an amazing sim. The water's 100m away, but that's still waterfront.)

Better buy it soon! I'm going to lower the price of this house to practically nothing -- but I will make it non-modifyable then because that will bother Prok and I enjoy doing that.

Buster

P.S. If you visit this house, please keep your avatar inside the yard next to the house so I get the dwell and not the neighbors. I purposely did not use up the entire land parcel so that there would be room for you there while you evaluate the property and make your decision.

Purina! Buster, I"m convulsed. *I must have that house* lol. I can't help wondering what is BEHIND it such as to make it ummmm Purina...lol.



Well, thanks for that little pontification, Jesse. I agree with just about everything you post because I can see you're one of those normal, common sense people from the Real World who hasn't gotten all tekkified and SL-ified like some lifers you find in here that have lost touch with that reality.

I would say normally, in the RW, sure, you let people do their business and not tell them their business.

But in real life you have city councilmen, police, reglations, town ordnances etc.

In RL, you'd be hard to put find a situation where somebody would by 23,000 acres of little 1-acre pieces and then sell them off at an exhorbitant price not to the telephone company or something but to people who lived in that town, at some fantastic extortionist price.

When you're in the game long enough, you'll see most of the 16ms are created by "land grabs" when land barons release plots of land to tier down suddenly, and people grab them. Sometimes the result from parceling errors or leftovers, I've had that happen. Then in my view, the responsible thing to do is to put "IM PROKOFY FOR SALE" on the 16m so that it won't be bought by the George Bush people or other griefers to put up ugly stuff.

All this crap about creative ideas that oldbies got from tooling around on their free sims is tripe -- I happen to know of at least creative inter-sim project but those actually need a bit more than 16m. It takes a special kind of tiny mind to make use of a 16m and 9/10 it's used for griefing.

SO I stand by my statement that buying these things facilitates griefing. Hank collected them from land grabs and here and there. HE could be writing "IM HANK" on them to have people in the sims pick them up. But that wuold have been too much work. No one ever asks the question: why did he do this? What was he intending to use these for?

Purina! Buster, I"m convulsed. *I must have that house* lol. I can't help wondering what is BEHIND it such as to make it ummmm Purina...lol.



Well, thanks for that little pontification, Jesse. I agree with just about everything you post because I can see you're one of those normal, common sense people from the Real World who hasn't gotten all tekkified and SL-ified like some lifers you find in here that have lost touch with that reality.

I would say normally, in the RW, sure, you let people do their business and not tell them their business.

But in real life you have city councilmen, police, reglations, town ordnances etc.

In RL, you'd be hard to put find a situation where somebody would by 23,000 acres of little 1-acre pieces and then sell them off at an exhorbitant price not to the telephone company or something but to people who lived in that town, at some fantastic extortionist price.

When you're in the game long enough, you'll see most of the 16ms are created by "land grabs" when land barons release plots of land to tier down suddenly, and people grab them. Sometimes the result from parceling errors or leftovers, I've had that happen. Then in my view, the responsible thing to do is to put "IM PROKOFY FOR SALE" on the 16m so that it won't be bought by the George Bush people or other griefers to put up ugly stuff.

All this crap about creative ideas that oldbies got from tooling around on their free sims is tripe -- I happen to know of at least creative inter-sim project but those actually need a bit more than 16m. It takes a special kind of tiny mind to make use of a 16m and 9/10 it's used for griefing.

SO I stand by my statement that buying these things facilitates griefing. Hank collected them from land grabs and here and there. HE could be writing "IM HANK" on them to have people in the sims pick them up. But that wuold have been too much work. No one ever asks the question: why did he do this? What was he intending to use these for?

I don't ask the question because I already know.

Believe it or not, I did something like this last summer

Thanks for the bump, Eggy. You FIC you.

Translation:
One person deals in land on a large scale. Good!
Other person writes scripts. Evil!

Lets say Hank was lucky and sells 20 plots of 16m land at 1600 L$. That equates to what? About $120 USD? Or $6 USD a plot?

Lets say Landlord X buys a private sim. Carves it up into 4096m plots and sells them for $20,000 L$ each. If Landlord X rents/sells out all 4096m plots just ONCE, they make $1280 USD. The first sale of all the plots ($1280) more than covers the initial $1000 (?) for purchasing the sim. If Landlord X then charges them $25 USD a month for teir, they make $400 USD per month in a full sim. And only half the sim would need to be rented to more than cover the month $195 per month teir fee the landlord X pays LL. As long as half the sim is rented, everything else is gravy. And if someone "buys" a plot and then later leaves without reselling it, thats another $80 to the landlord if they resell it. This also means a landlord would only need to sell three 4096m plots a month to cover teir and make +$40 (and thats NOT counting income from current residents). Basically in this situation, you are paying the landlord $80 up front and double the teir LL charges them. So a landlord needs 8 teir payments to break even or make money, or 1 sale and 5 teirs, or 2 sales and 3 teirs, or simply 3 sales.

After looking at these numbers, it makes what Hank is asking for look like chump change.