Do You Own Land?

I wonder how many people who do not own land also do not read these forums?
I'm thinking that landowners are more likely to be here, while many non-land owners would have almost no interest in the forum.
How is that accounted for in the poll?

BTW- Every time (in my short SL life) I think of buying first land, we get the "no log on" storms. Hopefully things will get better, and I can have a place to build and study scripting without a lot of sidewalk superintendents. (That would be my initial motivation for owning land).

I thought this same thing.

Demonstrating a willful ignorance about sample sizes, populations, and your miraculous ability to continue pounding the idiot drum in the face of credible evidence.

Hmmm, just to toss some fake math, and valid point.


It's said only %10, roughly, of the SL base uses the forums


so, take, roughly, %10 of that %86. You get %8.6 land owners total in game, jsut to do bad math. Well below %12 we though!

I think most who use forums already have land, or might be wanting, so they keep tab with forums, im a hobo, i have no land, nor do i want one

Being stuck to one place and not trashing , littering other places?? oh... wait yeah , dont trust numbers! ,,, i asked someone for a number once and he said 19, thats not what i wanted -.-

I asked Philip Linden at his impromptu meeting at the Welcome Area tonight in Dore and he said: 20 percent of all residents own land.

3000 new people came into the game in the last month, he said, and the number has definitely gone up from 12 percent to 20 percent.

So... If I drive to work, and someone asks if they actually need a car to get to work... I can't tell them they could just as easily walk or take the bus? Is that somehow incorrect information, just because I'm using my car? The fact that I own land, and am glad that I do, doesn't change the fact that the next guy walking down the pike doesn't need it. Owning land while telling others they don't need it is not hypocrisy. Telling them they don't need it is not the same as telling them there's no point in it, or that its useless. If I sat on my land in Gar and told someone they were an idiot to want to buy land, then that would be hypocrisy.

Interesting indeed. While admitting that the poll is skewed, you still point to it like it means the 12% figure must be wrong. If I go to China and poll folks about their nationality, I'm not going to come back here and claim that there must be more Chinese people here because of the 100 people I asked, most said they were Chinese. The tiny, skewed, statiscally meaningless group of people that replied don't reflect the 28,000+ people in SL

I'm glad you agree that the polled persons on the forums are a tiny statistically meaningless poor sample.

We need more people to a knowedge that.

So that you don't get things that are very misleading like "2/3 of all those polled on the forums dn't want a telehub so don't have one."

But when you have 86 percent who own land, and a figure of 12 percent being given, it's a little sign something might be "up".

And indeed as noted, Philip Linden said it is now 20 percent who own land, 3000 new people came in the door this last month alone.

I own a small island called supportforhealing which is used to create a bridge between my RL website and the SL community.

If I wasn't running this island for a specific project I wouldn't bother with owning land because none of the things I enjoy at SL (personal interaction, having my mind blown by others creativity, fishing at Neo-Realms) require it.

In my opinion, whether you need land to enjoy SL depends entirely on what you enjoy - unless you want to run a business, community project or are sandbox-phobic then maybe you don't need it.

Not to mention players who vote multiple times but make up the answers in the same manner that he and/or she treats all self-serving polsters and markettroids in real life. It don't take much ballot stuffing to skew a self-selected sample of 100, ask a local alderman from the city of broad shoulders.

Prokofy is he, and you need to stop your silly ridicule with the he/she/it crap.

I did't stuff any ballot boxes because I do not use alts to vote on this forum. That's silly. I'm interested in getting real information from the game to the extent possible under the skewed conditions of the forums.

There are ways in which you could set up a poll so that it can't possibly admit more than one vote. What venue would be acceptable to you for that purpose? For example, you could use a third-party where the IP address is recorded of all incoming voters they can readily see whether an alt is being used to skew a vote. I'd be happy to set up a vote like that on a tripod or some other bravenet type Internet site with voting capacity if that would help.

I can't imagine there'd be anyone else here who would bother to log on alts to make some point in some little poll. What we're trying to do here is get a rough sense of how "off" that figure of 12 or even 20 is -- and I think we can see it is off.

Prok, I thought you were against people gathering and using people's IP addresses???

No, that's a silly hysterical misinterpretation of what I said and what I meant, which is common here in the shark-infested waters of the forums.

Of course, many sites gather them. Most commercial sites use them for innocuous purposes. In the SL-related world, they use them ostensibly to "prevent griefing". I'm for questioning that overbroad activity of "preventing griefing" given that it takes place in a context free from LL TOS compliance. I'm opposed to their misuse -- it it not the gathering or the use for state intended purposes, it is the misuse and the failure to provide protections and guarantees against that misuse.

I'm taking the opportunity to remind Malachi that everything he can't get here that he'd like to get elsewhere is available on third-party sites -- but with also the entailing loss of rights and protections under the LL TOS, and a possible loss of privacy. Let him try a poll there. That's all.

You keep coming back to this. I just don't understand it. You agree, the polls are meaningless... that having 67% on the telehub poll is "misleading."
But when your poll turns up 86% in an admittedly skewed, "statiscally meaningless poor sample" in a forum that by its very subject is going to have more people that care about the topic of the poll than the general poplulace... Then you say that it starts to mean something. How do you reconcile needing more people to acknowledge the statistical worthlessness of polls, with continually claiming that certain polls do mean something after all?