Do You Own Land?

Let's see what kind of percentages of total players we get on the forums.

I own a small Island in Dreamland. The Group are named GirlPower.

Why bother with the poll? Just publish your answer and get it over with...

I would have taken part in the poll, but it is to biased for me to be able to give an accurate response, for example three of the options apply to me.

Not now I don't own land at this time.

NOTE:

There is a disproportionate population checking the Land/Economy forum. A higher percentage will own land. This is why I rarely recognize polls of any sort. It is like doing a poll at the mall to find out if people feel they are spending allot of money for the Christmas season.


~Lefty

P.S. Why do you want to know? What kind of conclusions were you hoping to draw from this? Shame on you!

I think he's trying to prove that the 2% of landowners that get the DI award received dwell. or was it 2% of dwell was paid to the landowners with a DI award... oh I give up.

I realize that polls are skewed on the forums.

I realize that one poll in one section of the forums are even more skewed.

But so what? everybody uses forum polls and cites them.

I'd like to see if the forum posters are landowners because some of them with very strong anti-landbarond opinions, for example, make it seem like "you don't need land to have fun in this game" etc. may be in a decided majority.



I don't publish the answers to questions I don't have the answers to yet. That's why I keep asking the questions and challenging the received wisdom.



If this poll were to give you more than one option, it would even be more skewed. I could click off more than one answer, too. But just pick the one that summarizes for you what is mainly the case for you and your land holdings.

I don't see what is "biased" about it - it is terribly straightforward. But as is always the case on the forums, you're welcome to make your own poll, if you think you can do a better job.

I have a sim, and 1024 in the new continent.

Prok,
I have owned land off and own. Currently in the less than 8192 portion but more than 2048. I disagree with the have to own land enjoyment banter. Analysis please ?

You're forgeting "I realize that most people who see a poll will ignore it" and it's most often those precise people who are your "target" audience, hence the actuall poll results will be biased because the people with the answers haven't responded....

nevertheless I think its interesting to me to know what people say about thier land. I think itsa good topic and a good poll, even if you assume that it is only reflective of the people who come to the land and economy forum. I would be cautious about drawing any braod conclusions about it,

I myself pay tier to 8k

I own about 5k

I contribute 1024 to ravenglass

I esstially tiered up from a 2048 when I started my parthenon project, I needed more land to sustain the build. If I chose to dismantle the project, I might teir down again to 4k, as that seems to be a very comfortable amount for a single house.

Sitll I would be curious to know of the people who are in each tier, what uses to you make of what portion of our land? I mean is it all residential? all commercial?

Again not that this is so scientifca analysis, its just interesting.

Jake, that is a good question, wish I'd thought of putting it in.

Lector, if someone owns between 2048-8192 m2 of land, and yet goes around telling everyone that they don't need land to enjoy SL, I'd say the word "hypocrite" comes to mind? But I don't bandy about labels like that loosely, I do try to analyze such ambivalent behaviour.

I started my premise "You do need land to enjoy SL" merely as an antidote to the small but vocal minority who constantly peddle this "You don't need land to enjoy SL" philosophy. I disagree with them, strongly. They put that out because they want to be part of the tide against land-baroning, they want to make it sound like land is something bourgeous and picket-fence, and ultimately, they may even have a hidden agenda of keeping their free 4096s, but keeping others down and never in a position to compete with them. Just a thought, and one you surely don't have to be paranoid to have.

I don't insist on someone having land, nor do I insist that you can't have fun without it. What I try to do is provide an ANTIDOTE by pushing the points of why you do need land to have fun.

If you really believe you don't need land to have fun, then tier down, sell all you have, give it to the poor, and go around in a sackcloth and ashes.

I'm all for outing this ambivalent Boboism where a small but vocal minority hectors and admonishes others in the game, telling them this or that premise, like "clubs are for suckers" or "dwell is for suckers" or "you don't need land to have fund" as some kind of utopian or uber-rationalist ideal, while they themselves do not practice it.

It reminds me of certain RL situations where some people send other, often poorer people off to make settlements in lands that they themselves don't want to go settle in due to the risks, or conversely, sends off terrorists to commit suicide bombs against innocents when they themselves don't want to die in a suicidal homicidal bombing.

That may sound extreme, but utopianism is the kind of ideology that I like to counter frequently because it can really lead to horrors. People who own land and seem to need it to do things in the game, telling others they don't need to, invite that sort of questioning.

Owning land should make people literally more down-to-earth and occupied with tending their own garden, and make them less prone to dish out half-baked utopian philosophies.

Well I expected nothing less; Wasn't quite as rhetorical as I've come to expect but nonetheless. Thanks for the veiled 'hypocrite' label though it made my day. If you had addressed my entire post (or read it?) you would have noted I have been up and down on the land ownership. My longest stint was indeed without any land. My reasons for owning it now are not about increased enjoyment so your box doesn't hold my rationale. Thanks for trying though.
Good day.

My land is group owned with a total of 54,067m2 (this includes the 10% group bonus), of which I have contributed 36,864m2. I am currently debating whether to increase my contribution to the next tier level, which would make my contribution: 69,632m2 and up the total group land to 90,112m2.

Juro I take it becaus it is a land group it is a commercial endeavor? How much of that land Do you personally live on? I know you have mad skillz as a builder so I wondered waht your own place looks like.

About half of the land is where our group lives. The other half is used for commercial purposes in Garisson, Sido, and Gualala.

Castle Blackmoor is my personal home - which is not yet finished. Need more prims.

You're never allowed to take this down by the way. My backyard in DeHaro has the best view in SL because of it.

Glad you like it Ingrid! I was worried how the neighbors would take to it, but they've all had good things to say.

Blackmoor from the old Dnd Supplement?

It looks awesome, thought. Perhaps you have created a virtual tourist attraction?

No, I didn't even realize there was a DnD connection. I had done several searches on castle names and came up with this. Kinda cool that there are other Blackmoor projects out there!

I answered the "free-tier", though technically I only own 16m^2, in Luna.

I do intend to get a nice plot and tier back up to 1048 at some point.

8k but going to rent instead...

if they dont fix the errors im going to sell my damn land!

Wow, this is interesting.

100 people have responded.

Of these, 86 percent of them own land. Of those, 34 percent actually own more than 8192, that's a lot.

Quite something! Well I think it reflects just how skewed the forums can be, and forum polls can be.

However, if we find a group of 100 people has 86 percent landowners, I think it is fair to ask if we have the right figure of "12 percent" for the total of all land owners.




View Poll Results: Do You Own Land?
Yes, I own just the free-tier 512 m2 8 8.00%
Yes, I own more than 512 but less than 2048 m2. 10 10.00%
Yes, I own more than 2048 but less than 8192 m2. 25 25.00%
Yes, I own more than 8192 m2. 34 34.00%
Yes, I am a member of a group that owns land. 7 7.00%
No, I rent land, however. 2 2.00%
No, I used to own land but sold it and/or tiered down. 5 5.00%
No, I do not own or rent land in any form. 9 9.00%

I disagree. I had lots of fun when I was landless, and I enjoy owning land. It all depends on what you like to do, and that may change either direction over time. Don't forget that a good number of people get the benefits of owning land without paying for teir, by having friends who share building space whatever.

Prokovy, everyone I have seen post on this issue has said just that. They have not put down owning land as being wrong. You are either misunderstanding or willfully misinterpreting people's stances for your own reasons.