Second Life Forums Archive - Telehub Land Values

Shaun Altman

Fund Manager

Join date: 11 Dec 2004

Posts: 1,011

11-23-2005 17:13

From: blaze Spinnaker

Shaun's statement was stating the obvious - we all have free will. What else is new?

No, let's get to the interesting bit, what tactics and strategy should a business that wishes to profit the most off of the metaverse employ?

I believe I've summed up a lot of the ideas in this thread:

/130/e3/53386/1.html

Basically, they should form an optional corporation. eBay is probably the best template for them to follow in these regards.

That is one seriously old thread.

Before I go through it all again, is there something in there about post-telehub business models?

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Shaun Altman
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RICX Curie

Jeweler

Join date: 21 Apr 2004

Posts: 26

11-23-2005 17:49

i can only speak for myself, as an established businesssman in SL, i stand to lose alot of money because of p2p, so knowing how un-stable sl is and how great a chance that anything can happen to ruin ur buseness why should i take the change again, all the ppl whos businesses centered around hubs are creators of the content and economy if they are all of a sudden shafted, many will pull out, this will change the whole economy, and u can allready see the effects now, have a look at lindex, lots of ppl are allready dumping money and the market is gonna suffer a fall, but for me personall...its a major step back, ill stand to lose a good part of what i invested, not to mention the zoneing issues will get worse, i know there isnt much i can do, but damn, 500k is alot to swallow, anyone wanna buy some prim telehub land?

Ellie Edo

Registered User

Join date: 13 Mar 2005

Posts: 1,425

11-23-2005 18:16

From: blaze Spinnaker

This change will completely redraw the metaverse map.

If it is universal, unlimited, and free it certainly will. But we don't yet know the details, do we ?

Creami Cannoli

Please don't eat me....

Join date: 17 Jul 2005

Posts: 414

11-23-2005 20:31

From: RICX Curie

i can only speak for myself, as an established businesssman in SL, i stand to lose alot of money because of p2p, so knowing how un-stable sl is and how great a chance that anything can happen to ruin ur buseness why should i take the change again, all the ppl whos businesses centered around hubs are creators of the content and economy if they are all of a sudden shafted, many will pull out, this will change the whole economy, and u can allready see the effects now, have a look at lindex, lots of ppl are allready dumping money and the market is gonna suffer a fall, but for me personall...its a major step back, ill stand to lose a good part of what i invested, not to mention the zoneing issues will get worse, i know there isnt much i can do, but damn, 500k is alot to swallow, anyone wanna buy some prim telehub land?

ROFLMAO I doubt that you will lose serious amounts of money in SL due to this. People can find your stores without finding one at a telehub. You ARE the jelwery man of SL, why are you so worried?

Cristiano Midnight

Evil Snapshot Baron

Join date: 17 May 2003

Posts: 8,616

11-23-2005 20:32

From: RICX Curie

i can only speak for myself, as an established businesssman in SL, i stand to lose alot of money because of p2p, so knowing how un-stable sl is and how great a chance that anything can happen to ruin ur buseness why should i take the change again, all the ppl whos businesses centered around hubs are creators of the content and economy if they are all of a sudden shafted, many will pull out, this will change the whole economy, and u can allready see the effects now, have a look at lindex, lots of ppl are allready dumping money and the market is gonna suffer a fall, but for me personall...its a major step back, ill stand to lose a good part of what i invested, not to mention the zoneing issues will get worse, i know there isnt much i can do, but damn, 500k is alot to swallow, anyone wanna buy some prim telehub land?

Isn't this pretty much the summary of the plot of the new Chicken Little movie? Well, except I am sure the movie isn't so cheesy.

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Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

11-24-2005 00:56

From: RICX Curie

i know there isnt much i can do, but damn, 500k is alot to swallow, anyone wanna buy some prim telehub land?

As I've already said, and others (Ellie at least!) have already said - we simply have NO IDEA what form their implementation of P2P will take. This whole sky is falling mess of the last few days come from their acknowledging - JUST acknowledging - the proposal for development. Could be a week away. Could be a year away. Could be complete and total. Could be some kind of partial solution. Could see the old telehub sites become popular as something entirely different. Or not.

Do you really think it's wise to get shot of 500k's worth of telehub land right now when all you have to go on is your fears and assumptions of what might happen? If P2P is inevitable, and if telehubs are doomed, you already lost your investment. So what's the hurry to sell? Why not hang in there and SEE WHAT HAPPENS?

Hell, I hate telehubs, but I might well consider taking telehub land off people's hands if they're going to panick sell! (Of course, it's worthless now, so I'll only pay the average going rate for non telehub land

)

Just one thing: Have any of you considered that if you just leave all your stuff where the hell it is, you'll STILL have highly concentrated commercial areas that people will visit to buy stuff. It's only YOUR REACTIONS to this that will change the purpose and usage of your land!

Jonny Dingo

An den, an den, an den...

Join date: 24 Feb 2005

Posts: 42

11-24-2005 20:19

From: Shaun Altman

Well, I have to agree with you here. To be quite honest, I feel like this is a bait-and-switch routine. LL has sold telehub land owners one thing (rare, high traffic 3D content space) at an unrealistic price. Now they're going to turn it into something completely different (low traffic 3D content space, like the rest of the grid) which has a much lower value. In other words, through telehubs, LL has created a false value for something that simply wasn't there.

Some might call this a fraud. I mean really, are we buying the metaverse here or a used car?

Shaun I couldnt have said it better myself.

Dark Korvin

Player in the RL game

Join date: 13 Jun 2005

Posts: 769

11-24-2005 23:30

This is not bait and switch. This is not an instant action. There has been a push for p2p teleport for a long time. They are giving warning before they do it, and they are trying to come up with some form of compensation for those negatively effected. Second Life will need to evolve constantly over its life spand. Things will have to change. Things change in the real world as well. No investment of any kind is hundred percent safe and guaranteed, and no one from Linden Labs has made the claim that anything in Second Life is a guaranteed safe bet. One should always realize when investing in anything that there are risks involved. News comes out all the time that change the values of thing everywhere in real life, what in Second Life makes people think things are suddenly different when they are virtual. Every change Second Life does will effect some people in a good way and others in a bad way, but if nothing changes Second Life will eventually be a worthless place left in the dust by someone that picks up on the changes Second Life should have made.

I am positively effected by the change, so my views are somewhat biased. I do however hope that Second Life continues to change even if it eventually leads to something that loses me money personally.

Telehub Land Values
Shaun Altman Fund Manager Join date: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,011	11-23-2005 17:13 From: blaze Spinnaker Shaun's statement was stating the obvious - we all have free will. What else is new? No, let's get to the interesting bit, what tactics and strategy should a business that wishes to profit the most off of the metaverse employ? I believe I've summed up a lot of the ideas in this thread: /130/e3/53386/1.html Basically, they should form an optional corporation. eBay is probably the best template for them to follow in these regards. That is one seriously old thread. Before I go through it all again, is there something in there about post-telehub business models? _____________________ Regards, Shaun Altman Fund Manager Metaverse Investment Fund
RICX Curie Jeweler Join date: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 26	11-23-2005 17:49 i can only speak for myself, as an established businesssman in SL, i stand to lose alot of money because of p2p, so knowing how un-stable sl is and how great a chance that anything can happen to ruin ur buseness why should i take the change again, all the ppl whos businesses centered around hubs are creators of the content and economy if they are all of a sudden shafted, many will pull out, this will change the whole economy, and u can allready see the effects now, have a look at lindex, lots of ppl are allready dumping money and the market is gonna suffer a fall, but for me personall...its a major step back, ill stand to lose a good part of what i invested, not to mention the zoneing issues will get worse, i know there isnt much i can do, but damn, 500k is alot to swallow, anyone wanna buy some prim telehub land?
Ellie Edo Registered User Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,425	11-23-2005 18:16 From: blaze Spinnaker This change will completely redraw the metaverse map. If it is universal, unlimited, and free it certainly will. But we don't yet know the details, do we ?
Creami Cannoli Please don't eat me.... Join date: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 414	11-23-2005 20:31 From: RICX Curie i can only speak for myself, as an established businesssman in SL, i stand to lose alot of money because of p2p, so knowing how un-stable sl is and how great a chance that anything can happen to ruin ur buseness why should i take the change again, all the ppl whos businesses centered around hubs are creators of the content and economy if they are all of a sudden shafted, many will pull out, this will change the whole economy, and u can allready see the effects now, have a look at lindex, lots of ppl are allready dumping money and the market is gonna suffer a fall, but for me personall...its a major step back, ill stand to lose a good part of what i invested, not to mention the zoneing issues will get worse, i know there isnt much i can do, but damn, 500k is alot to swallow, anyone wanna buy some prim telehub land? ROFLMAO I doubt that you will lose serious amounts of money in SL due to this. People can find your stores without finding one at a telehub. You ARE the jelwery man of SL, why are you so worried?
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	11-23-2005 20:32 From: RICX Curie i can only speak for myself, as an established businesssman in SL, i stand to lose alot of money because of p2p, so knowing how un-stable sl is and how great a chance that anything can happen to ruin ur buseness why should i take the change again, all the ppl whos businesses centered around hubs are creators of the content and economy if they are all of a sudden shafted, many will pull out, this will change the whole economy, and u can allready see the effects now, have a look at lindex, lots of ppl are allready dumping money and the market is gonna suffer a fall, but for me personall...its a major step back, ill stand to lose a good part of what i invested, not to mention the zoneing issues will get worse, i know there isnt much i can do, but damn, 500k is alot to swallow, anyone wanna buy some prim telehub land? Isn't this pretty much the summary of the plot of the new Chicken Little movie? Well, except I am sure the movie isn't so cheesy. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	11-24-2005 00:56 From: RICX Curie i know there isnt much i can do, but damn, 500k is alot to swallow, anyone wanna buy some prim telehub land? As I've already said, and others (Ellie at least!) have already said - we simply have NO IDEA what form their implementation of P2P will take. This whole sky is falling mess of the last few days come from their acknowledging - JUST acknowledging - the proposal for development. Could be a week away. Could be a year away. Could be complete and total. Could be some kind of partial solution. Could see the old telehub sites become popular as something entirely different. Or not. Do you really think it's wise to get shot of 500k's worth of telehub land right now when all you have to go on is your fears and assumptions of what might happen? If P2P is inevitable, and if telehubs are doomed, you already lost your investment. So what's the hurry to sell? Why not hang in there and SEE WHAT HAPPENS? Hell, I hate telehubs, but I might well consider taking telehub land off people's hands if they're going to panick sell! (Of course, it's worthless now, so I'll only pay the average going rate for non telehub land ) Just one thing: Have any of you considered that if you just leave all your stuff where the hell it is, you'll STILL have highly concentrated commercial areas that people will visit to buy stuff. It's only YOUR REACTIONS to this that will change the purpose and usage of your land!
Jonny Dingo An den, an den, an den... Join date: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 42	11-24-2005 20:19 From: Shaun Altman Well, I have to agree with you here. To be quite honest, I feel like this is a bait-and-switch routine. LL has sold telehub land owners one thing (rare, high traffic 3D content space) at an unrealistic price. Now they're going to turn it into something completely different (low traffic 3D content space, like the rest of the grid) which has a much lower value. In other words, through telehubs, LL has created a false value for something that simply wasn't there. Some might call this a fraud. I mean really, are we buying the metaverse here or a used car? Shaun I couldnt have said it better myself.
Dark Korvin Player in the RL game Join date: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 769	11-24-2005 23:30 This is not bait and switch. This is not an instant action. There has been a push for p2p teleport for a long time. They are giving warning before they do it, and they are trying to come up with some form of compensation for those negatively effected. Second Life will need to evolve constantly over its life spand. Things will have to change. Things change in the real world as well. No investment of any kind is hundred percent safe and guaranteed, and no one from Linden Labs has made the claim that anything in Second Life is a guaranteed safe bet. One should always realize when investing in anything that there are risks involved. News comes out all the time that change the values of thing everywhere in real life, what in Second Life makes people think things are suddenly different when they are virtual. Every change Second Life does will effect some people in a good way and others in a bad way, but if nothing changes Second Life will eventually be a worthless place left in the dust by someone that picks up on the changes Second Life should have made. I am positively effected by the change, so my views are somewhat biased. I do however hope that Second Life continues to change even if it eventually leads to something that loses me money personally.

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