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Wow..... I never cease to be amazed!

Anyway, Oerbewustzijn, I have an idea for a mutually beneficial arrangement to get you started with some prime land a t low cost of entry. IM me in the game for details. Nuff said.

Philo

this thread is funny.

I've never had this problem. As a newbie and as a now-seasoned resident, the most experienced SL residents have always been courteous and very helpful to me.

It may have helped that my dealings with them never involved demands. It may have helped that I was polite when seeking assistance and friendly in my discourse.

It helps not to be loathesome and abrasive. It really, really does.

Oh my goodness. Just look at this. A rant filled with paraniod assumptions and incorrect insight about me. Hmmm, seems familiar in form. I would like to be able post here without being raved at and placed in one of your boxes. I pick neither. And pie wasn't even a pick which really pisses me off because - I'm really letting go now - I love pecan pie.

My point: Focus on the original poster. Thank you for having taken it, Merwan.

Believe it or not, there are people here who are not on either side of your battle. I know the history. You didn't need to explain ,yet again, the history of Prok and how he is responsible for your reaction to him. Everyone knows. We can't help but know. You are not going to change him. You can only change your reaction to him. Can you all please, please, give it a rest?

Hi Oerbe,

Welcome. I'm going to try to give a bit of advice, as you ask. I'm sorry if I repeat anything already suggested by others. I am currently not seeing all the other posts. Something to do with how my software is set.

The economic side of this game is quite complicated, and takes a while to understand. Nevertheless, I think you should do things alone to start with. Not because others are untrustworthy, but because it is the best way to get the skills you will need, including learning how much other peoples help is worth. Listen and judge, but do not trust and obey until you know more.

The Lindens have created this game, they control it, and I think you should learn how to deal with them and their rules first. Everyone has to, after all. This means buying land normally, so that it ends up fully yours, with only the Lindens to deal with.

To buy land normally you must pay the $9.95 per month subscription. Called a premium account. Everyone who pays this can then (just once) buy a land holding of 512sq m (referred to as "512m" for less than the L$1000 they receive on subscribing, so it is effectively free. No extra monthly payment.

This special first 512m plot is called "First Land" in the "Find Land Sales" list and they all cost L$512.

512m is really pretty small for anything other than one little dwelling. This is not just because of its actual area (you could build up) but because you can only use 117 of our "building blocks" or "prims". Double the land area, double the prims.

You'll soon need more land, which you can buy from other residents at any price you both agree. You'll find offers in the same "Land Sales" list. Most times you just buy this land without even meeting the seller, just by clicking on it, and paying the price he has set. We are in a transitional stage at present, which means that some plots in Land Sales may refer you to a person or website if you want to buy. This means you cannot click and buy automatically as I described, and you are being offered some form of lease on land still owned by another resident, rather than normal full ownership. I personally don't think you should consider this until you are more experienced.

Once you go over your free 512m, you increase your monthly payments to LL (this is called "paying tier", the formula is on the website, but it goes up in jumps, not smoothly, so you need to study it.

When looking at "Land Sales" I suggest you rank order the list by L$/m, as it is the area you have which decides how much you can build. Apart from First Land (which you can only buy once), and strange deals, you are not likely to find much below about 2.0 per m. Very cheap would be 2.3/m. Really expensive is say 11/m (not for you).

Best value at the moment , if its just space and building capability you want, is snow land (ie looks like snow). I just sold a decent chunk in Ohno for 3.5/m, with a lovely frontage onto a river. I no longer have any stake there, so I can suggest the area without conflict of interest. If you negotiate you may get people, away from the river, to come down towards your target 2.3. Mine I just sold by click, after only about three days wait, no negotiation, because I set the price to be attractive.

Actually, though I'm largely alone in this, I think snow terrain is undervalued, and highly attractive if properly used, with snowdrifts up against buildings etc.

Buying seems expensive, Oerbe, but if you work it out, the monthly payments quickly become more significant, and you can hope to get back most of the purchase price when you sell, unlike the monthly payments themselves.

If the up-front cost is really a problem for you, you could consider renting. You will find land to rent offered in the forum here called "Land for Sale or Rent" (not surprisingly), though of course you don't have quite as much control over the land as if you buy it, and its just between the Lindens and you.

One thing more. I know it seems odd, but for some reason no-one here likes to pay to attend an event, although we have the tools to support it. It just doesn't happen except in rare cases. So don't rely on it in your planning.

Good luck, Oerbe. Enjoy yourself in game. And dont take what you see in these forums as typical of our players, it isn't. Most game forums have a few people who like bitching and whining at each other, and I guess quite a few of us do it a bit more than we should.

Hi Oerbewustzijn.
I assume (looking at your name) that you are also a dutchie, like me. I myself aren't really interrested in what you propose. But you could try and join the "pass the dutch" group. It's not a open group but just IM a officer and they will add you.
In that group are several dutch people who have businesses in sl, and maybe are willing to answer some questions and/or give some help.

This is exactly my point. When Prokofy interjects into any given thread, with page long paranoid ramblings, I don't see you calling him out for it. Same for remaining on topic with the original poster. When someone else calls him for it or does the same as he does, it's then called "ranting". Surely you see the double standard?So would I. That is what I am pushing back against, Prokofy's insistence on turning even a newbie thread into some sort of vehicle to promote his view/agenda, all the while accusing others of having agendas.I would ask you to do the same. You yourself, in several threads that I have seen, try to play policeman, shaming those you perceive as having done wrong. Is that focusing on the original poster? No, and especially when you dont "correct" both parties, it's called taking sides Margaret, which makes you as guilty as anyone else. I myself would not have responded to anyone but the original poster had you not used this thread once again to admonish people. Take you own advice and ignore those posts which bother you rather than playing nanny. Too bad you're so obviously not one of them, exist though they may.
You're right here, at an average of 10.00 posts per day from Mr Filibuster, it's pretty hard not to. Thats over 2200 posts in 6 months. Surely that doesn't indicate anything about Mr. Neva, it must be the fault of those who take exception with him. Yes, and you have chosen to try and dictate and change other poster's behaviors. Talk about irony.This is the heart of the matter for me, I don't see you telling Prokofy to give it a rest, or to change his reaction to anyone else, hence I have drawn the conclusion that you are biased.

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Whatever your beliefs about my personality, Cubey, not encumbered by hardly any actual dealings with me in the game, let me break it down to you dude. I've ridden around in your airships as a completely different alt, with completely different dulcet and sweet tones. You've been ingratiating and full of help, after scooping up me and other newbz at the welcome area and getting us starting on your track. Maybe you really are wonderful and clever, I'm sure you are. But at least part of that activity, whatever its merits, is about securing your station in the ratings game, and I don't mean the literal ratings plus and minus game, but the metagame of being in the tekkie wiki and styling yourself as a big helper. So go on doing what you do, serving all of avkind and being a Friend to Newbz but be aware that at least one person is just not that completely impressed.

Why on earth would I believe that I have the right combination of magical words to effect a change which many, many people have tried yet failed to achieve? I know I don't have any influence over Prok's opinions or style or rudeness and there is no one else who does that I've seen. Prok seems completely indifferent to anyone's opinion of him.

I chose to appeal to those whose response to "You're better than that.", might be "You're right, I am.".

I'm not even asking you not to fight; it's just a request to take it outside.

This helps a lot, to know where you are coming from. Prior, It seemed you were only scolding one "side" for other reasons, my apologies for that.

Makes perfect sense now.

The forums are "outside" for many folks.

Oh, you saw right through my evil plan, Prokofy. Never trust anyone who likes to play in an airship!! It's so obviously a front for a sinister plan.

Kismet

Please don't apologise to MMfume when you have no need. Like you I have seen her endlessly pontificating in forum on other peoples posting behaviour as though she is some sort of guru. Based on what? Nothing. You have the right word. Endlessly "admonishing". Sooner or later someone was going to have to tell her. From what I can see she played a BIG part in dragging this thread off track. I'm not sure she didnt start it with her "Is anyone else watching...." post or whatever. Was that on topic? Where is HER advice to the noob on the question he asked? Nowhere. Just advise to other people on how they should post. Beam in own eye and all that.Stick to your guns, Kismet. When you see an inflated ego, spear it. As u did. Buts lets notice prok DID tried hard to help the noob, despite his emtional handicaps. Verry sad washing all this dirty linen in public.What must the poor noob think. Pathetic, all of you (nearly). I feel shame for u.

I love the snow sims

hahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahahaaahahahahhhahahahahahhahahahahahaha

You really have no concept of other people. You can't grasp the fact that other people can do things for their own reasons, which are different than your understanding of them. I know there's a medical/phsycological term for this, but it eludes me.

Sorry you have lost the bet what have i won.
I think i'm maybe older then you in RL

Hheheh hey great! What do I owe you?

There's no medical condition here, Steve, it's just a basic understanding of how human vanity works. I'm puncturing the self-inflated ego balloons of oldbies who are extremely wedded to their notion of themselves as helpers, as Intelligent Beings Who Are Friends To All etc. It is SUCH a load of crap. I've seen so many of them style and posture themselves in this way, but it is *only* as good as their next high-end sale, or next high-end adulation and ratings from their latest prey. Honestly, you don't see it. The *slightest* bit of questioning and pointed comment, and they turn on you like junk-yard dogs.

Almost, but not quite.

Prok's worldview is basicly akin to the old joke question "Is it true you stopped beating your wife?". It's a position wherein there is no position is not an admission of guilt. Guilt has already been asigned prior to any discussion or knowledge, now the only burden for Prok is to figure out how to get the reality to fit into his pre-established worldview.