Announcing the Cyberland Equities Exchange!

Eh what the heck, I will quote it, since it's on another page.





-Shaun

Geez Smiley your just baiting Shaun trying to trip him up play fair dude, get back on topic. If you want to understand what he's trying to do just ask some straight questions. I've known Shaun since he join SL he's a stand up guy. I bought a lot of land from for my business and he's always been more then fair.

No, this is not ridiculous. You are simply being contrary now Shaun, which is the definition of "trolling" described elsewhere on this site. I did read your post. I did not respond to your comments which were fluff, or, on occasion, where you responded to a question or statement that actually filled in a blank.

For example:












Why would I make a new comment on any of those when the only comment they provoke is "whatever?" No new ground covered. Those comments just make for an overly wordy post.




What post? Where did you post what land you have? And why would you be asking that people trust you to give you their money if you are making sure that no one knows who you are or how to contact you, as a real person, if everything is indeed on the up and up? In legitimate financial dealings, that information is always available.




As far as I can see from your web site, you list at the moment 27,306 m2 of land being owned by Cyberland. There is no specific reference to what land is owned or is being sold. I went to "Cyberland World Headquarters/Island Poker" and just looked around to find out if there was land nearby associated with you. I found 4816 m2 that was associated with you, of which 1952 m2 is also associated with Cyberland B. The Cyberland B land being in 2 blocks of inland PG land. If you got a really good deal on it, great, because it doesn't look like it's worth much, if you find a buyer for it.




I'm not trolling. I'm asking legitimate questions, and you aren't liking it at all.

Here's another that you won't like:
Why are you trying to hide every shred of personal information when no one who legitimately engages in financial services does so? I am involved in financial services. I know that no one should be comfortable with handing money to a stranger they do not know and who refuses to offer any security or recourse. In real life, two people can have all the trust and confidence of a family member, but every significant transaction between them almost always, and should always, provide security and recourse.



If I'm mis-informed, I'm only mis-informed by you Shaun.

You've done a thorough job of disguising who you are so far Shaun. I'm a little suspicious that Linden Lab might not know who you are either. GOM was already hit by a stolen credit card operation. Even if they does know your true information, LL would probably not post your information as that would violate your guarantee of privacy.

If you are on the up and up, prove me wrong.



Then why are you hiding?

I'm not baiting. I'm asking direct questions that he does not want to answer.

This is about all I see here that's worth responding to a second time around. Of course you're trolling! Clearly my virtual stock market isn't for you. I've said a couple of times now in different ways that that's fine and I respect that. I don't know why you feel the need to continue going on bashing and trolling in this thread. If it's making you feel good though, feel free to continue on.

The exchange's constantly growing executed trade counter, Cyberland's growing land reserves, cash reserves, and eventual large dividend returns will continue to refute you. As for me, I'm through with you. This will be my final response to you on this thread.

You'll need to make another alt if you'd like me to continue repeating myself. By the way, I've listed my alts. Who's alt are you? I suspect you're the alt of someone with a small to medium private land empire, who knows what the sucess of a public entity such as this could mean to his own bottom line.

781 trades executed in the last few days, and so far you (a trolling, non-investor) are the ONE and ONLY person with anything negative to say. I'll let the numbers continue to speak for themselves. Have a nice second life sir.



-Shaun

Whoops, I missed this. I'm a little tired, but this is worth responding to also. With regard to your implication that I "may" have used a STOLEN CREDIT CARD to hide my identity from Linden Lab, are you directly accusing me of something here? If not, that's some pretty heavy trolling bait to drop. Even you should be ashamed. If so, offer up whatever backing you have to make such a slanderous implication, now.

With regard to Linden Lab violating a privacy guarantee of some sort, I've already publicly waived that in the cases mentioned above. I would be happy to provide the same waiver to them in writing if that's required. I no longer have any guarantee of privacy, so the only thing left to question is whether or not they'd follow through with my wishes if one of the above mentioned cases (which never will occur) occured.



-Shaun

Shaun, I've simply asked you legitimate questions. No one would need an "alt" to do that. You do not want to answer questions about yourself or your scheme. Your reaction to my questions certainly looks suspicious. I never accused you of using a stolen or otherwise bogus credit card, I simply stated that such things have happened. Again, you've over reacted, and it looks odd.

Your lack of any further discussion of what land you own, who you are, and why you choose to hide indicates that you may never answer any further questions about what and why you are hiding. One can only guess the reason.

As to signing away your privacy rights, a post on a forum for a game has no real legitimacy. Many rights guaranteed by law cannot be signed away at all.

You appear to be reacting to my questions as if they are the thing that could ruin your endeavor. If your endeavor was in fact solid, you would have no problem showing those things that proved it. You have been unable to do so.

What you said exactly was:



It's good that you've retracted this slanderous implication, even in such a round-about way.



You've misunderstood. I'm ceasing my discussion with you. In general, I will continue to answer questions, with the exception of questions about my real life identity, which as stated several times already I keep seperate from my second life. Anyone who is uncomfortable with this, or any other aspect of the stock exchange should not be trading stock there unless/until they become comfortable with it. It really IS that simple.



You've not completely understood. As stated already I will be happy to submit the same in writing if it will help LL to be able to honor my request.



You've misunderstood again. I'm not at all concerned about someone trolling a thread ruining a publicly owned company. 786 trades executed in a few days, coupled with share values rising from 4 to around 13.5 is a great indicator and frankly speaks for itself. I will let the numbers continue to speak for themselves.

Now as I've said above, I believe you're trolling this thread, and I'm through with you. Have a good second life, even if it doesn't include use of my stock market!



-Shaun

Oh I doubt it's a scam .. why would it be a scam? As an exchange, the originator isn't going to hold any money and only makes money off of trades.

No, it's a great idea, though unless you are an insider simply selling your shares to other insiders (because you're less interested or want to free up capital for another company) this platform is just a gambling platform.

Equities have long been proven to be just a casino where the odds are in your favor, though I think it might be cool to have index funds at some point.

No, what I found hilarious was the obvious hallmarks of a whisper campaign here.

This was a too good to pass up.

In response to: "Originally Posted by Smiley Sneerwell
As to signing away your privacy rights, a post on a forum for a game has no real legitimacy. Many rights guaranteed by law cannot be signed away at all."



So look again at "Many rights guaranteed by law cannot be signed away at all."

That means not on paper.

But feel free to show us the paper signed by you.

Of course you will never do that. You must hide, after all.





You seem to be very loose with the slanderous remarks aimed at someone asking questions. If the shoe fits you, as it sure seems to...






No, you are ceasing discussion because you don't want to give answers. Why hide? You want to take other people's money. They should only do so if they know who you are. That is how it always works if it is legitimate. Everyone should feel uncomfortable with your wish to not be known and, therefore, to be accountable.





No, I understand too well for your comfort. I am not trolling, I'm asking you legitimate questions. You are avoiding answering. So stop calling me a troll. It's abuse. I've reported it as such.

Also, you cannot trade your own company and call that publicly traded. When you sell stock yourself in your company, that is not publicly trading.





As I keep repeating, and you keep avoiding, I'm not trolling. Stop accusing me of it. I'm asking you legitimate questions any investor would require of any legitimate investment, and you are avoiding answering them.

You can't publicly trade your own company by yourself. That is private trading.

BTW, what is a whisper campaign?



"Equities have long been proven to be just a casino..."

Given that the "headquarters" are on "Island Poker" and the officers are also officers of Poker Players, Inc. and Poker Dealers, Inc., you may have hit a bull's eye with that statement, blaze.

What about Stock Exchange companies? By and large most Stock Exchanges are publically traded companies that also trade their own shares on their own systems.

As I'm a brit, the closest example is the London Stock Exchange, its a publically traded company (Ticker is LSE).

Having said that, Stock Exchanges are special cases. Other public companies would have difficulty trading without access to the systems.

Trading in equities which you do not have control over (you're not an insider) is purely gambling.

The only one who has any long term luck in the stock market is Warren Buffet, and one could easily argue that he is less a stock picker and more a business man who has had a lot of control over the equities he's picked.

This is not a platform for buying / and selling equities you are not in control of. I guarantee you that 99% of the volume here is purely fictional and is all faked out by Shaun Altman.

This platform would be really cool for people who collaborate on large projects and what not to split dividends.

However, the problem with splitting dividends is that we are not entirely if someone isn't 'skimming' from the profits.

I have proposed to LindenLab to optionally open up your L$ transactions so others can see to provide a kind of public accounting system.

Unfortunately, these ideas are pretty leading edge right now and I don't think LL is catching on.

hey blaze, this statement makes me concerned about my investment. how are you guaranteeing this statement? do you really know some thing, or is this loose rhetoric.

thanks.

i am not bothered by shaun's anonymity. i'm anonymous too. smiley, it is from behind your shield of anonymity that you feel comfortable haranguing shaun.

i think shaun stated anyone uncomfortable with his anonymity should not participate. this is his secondlife too, and if he wants to keep it seperate from rl that's his right as much as it's our right to decide if we want to participate or not.

Oh, it's very loose rhetoric.

But, as a banking trust you have to play by a different set of rules than someone else who isn't. You have to understand that these sorts of organisations, if they take everyone for a ride, they undermine not just their own reputation but the reputation of the entire economy.

There is a reason why mostly free market economies regulate banks and public securities very intensely.

Don't get me wrong though. As a platform for dividing up revenue and trading your particular interest in a revenue generating enterprise for cash would make this a cool platform.

'nuff said - pls go open an SL office of the SEC or something... This is borish.

that's very unfair and sensational rhetoric then, blaze, something that i would have considered you above.

i feel that if shaun "outed" his rl self, he would definitely get more immediate trust from some members of the community. on the other hand there will always be players who will distrust and attack the commercial approach to the game. it's really up to shaun, though, what he is willing to do and living with the consequences, ie remaining anonymous thus taking a longer time to gain the trust of many in the general public. at the end of the day, this is a game and a game economy, not the NYSE, and it's unfair to demand or harp on a player to reveal their identity.

I don't think a lot of people around here appreciate the risk that these trusts are posing to the SL economy.

All it will take is for one of them to get significant traction, implode, and then trust in the entire economy becomes massively undermined.

All of these trusts are huge opportunities for fraud on a massive scale, and in many ways they are simply a trainwreck waiting to happen.

Some people think "oh but they're paying out" .. well, that just makes them more dangerous. Word spreads, the trust builds up, and eventually their owners simply cash out.

After all - why not? What's to stop them? The RL consequences of cashing out are hardly negative and completely positive.

wouldn't fraud enable investors to get access of RL info from LL through lawyers and court orders? i would assume the incentive for fraud would be a large amount of money, the same thing that would make a lawsuit feasable, even if it were a small claims court one. i don't know for fact, i'm just speculating.

wouldn't LL permaban a fraud?

i think your anxiety about these operations is understandable, but i just found the statement i quoted previously entirely uncalled for and possibly libelous.

Can you libel an anonymous identity? (thanks Ellie!)

In general, I agree with your position, however the case of a financial trust is a completely different situation.

Perma ban is a meagre threat. Getting a new IP address is as easy as setting up an account on a different CC #.

I'll hotline this.

There is no way LL can prevent us from getting a warrent from the US government to investigate private info if fraud is committed over SL. The legal bindings still apply even on SL.

It is one reason I trust my money with Ginko, and I am quite tempted with this Cyberland exchange. If they do commit fraud in the future, as an American tax-payer, I will do everything to take advantage of the legal rights I have against scammers.

Unless this firm is based in Timbuktu, or whatever other little island nations there are with a crazy dictator with the hairstyle of a popstar, I think the US has enough power to protect us from fraud.

Ok, first, LL is completely international. The US can do absolutely nothing if the perp is not in the US unless the amounts are very significant (50K+). Even out of state you have to be at least 5K before they'll pay attention.

And why is it against the law? Some might say that being a con artist is simply a 'role' someone is playing in their 'second life' and the only punishment is being banned from SL.