Announcing the Cyberland Equities Exchange!

More Information At: http://www.slsolutions.org/

I'm pleased to announce that the Cyberland Equities Exchange, the market home of Second Life's first PUBLICLY owned and traded investment land company, is now open to the general public! Please check out the "FAQ" and "How to Trade" pages to learn what this means for YOU as a potential investor. Have questions? Feel free to either post here or, better yet, stop by our investor meeting! The first public investor meeting will be at 5:00pm game time, at Cayuga (228, 13)!



-Shaun Altman

How the hell did you get 300+ investors already?

LF

Hi Lordfly,

All of the members aren't investors on the equities exchange. The member count is counting Second Life Solutions members as a whole. I currently offer another (in-world) service, and will continue to add more web-based and in-world services in the future.



-Shaun

Just wanted to post an update and let everyone who's taking an interest know that the IPO is going very well. over 100 trades have been executed already today, and as of the time of this post, the share value is up around L$0.8 from where it opened. If you want newly alocated shares it would be a good idea to get them quickly before they get too expensive and/or evaporate.



-Shaun

hmmmmmm I was just wondering, can other companies go public on this board?

I have a real estate development firm worth around 1 mil L$ atm, an IPO might do wonders....

Please IM me (Shaun Altman) in-world and we can talk about this. I'd like to have some other companies listed on the exchange. The infastructure to support this is already present, but in order to protect investors we need to work out methods where *I* know all of the company information is accurate.



-Shaun

Just another update for anyone following the market. The Cyberland IPO is over. All open market orders are now owned by users. Looks like it went very well. Thank you to everyone who bought new shares, I appreciate your confidence.



-Shaun

shaun, can you message me thru email at [email]KavaiOnizuka@gmail.com[/email]?

I have troubles logging into SL so i need to find a way to contact you OUTSIDE SL. Can you provide me with either a MSN/Yahoo/AIM contact?

More Information At: http://www.slsolutions.org/
Hi,

I see this thread is still generating a lot of views, so I thought offer another quick update. I put a press releases section on the exchange site so investors can get the latest plans and information straight from the CEO's of listed companies without having to come to meetings. We will still have the meetings though!

Also, as the market continues to gain momentum and build a large regular user base, I will likely also post to this forum when there is an important press release.



-Shaun

Fascinating idea. I took a look at your website and I had one dumb question: are all transactions conducted in-game, using Lindens? Or is real-world currency being traded?

Heh heh.. this thread is too amusing for words

Hi Ricky,

All trading is done on the web site. You use L$ deposited at an ATM in-world to trade with.



-Shaun

Yep. In trying to make it sound very official, it ends up sounding even more like a scam.

Are these the same guys running Ginko Financial?

And they are buying and selling "equity positions (fractional ownership) in publicly owned and traded Second Life land investment companies."

So, um, what companies are these?

Or is it just Shaun Altman, founder of the SL group "Poker Players, inc" and who owns no land?

And then there is the transparency of the real world web site, slsolutions.org, hosted by Domains By Proxy:

"Did you know that for each domain name you register, anyone -
anywhere, anytime - can find out your name, home address, phone
number and email address?

The law requires that the personal information you provide with every
domain you register be made public in the "WHOIS" database. Your
identity becomes instantly available - and vulnerable - to spammers,
scammers, prying eyes and worse.

But now there's a solution: Domains By Proxy!"

You can always contact Shaun Altman at that Domains By Proxy site, so you so you know he's for real - Not!


So this is an investment in an online poker player who wishes to remain anonymous.

That instills a lot of confidence.

It's a sure bet.

Hi Smiley,

If you'd like to rephrase any of this in the form of polite and well-meaning questions, I'll be happy to address your concerns. I will not, however, be drawn into a flame war by responding to this propoganda campaign.

For the sake of your not panicking our investors, though, I will address the outright lie you've posted above stating that Cyberland owns no resale land. Cyberland's total inventory and cash reserves are CLEARLY stated on the web site, and update in real-time any time a sale occurs. Did you bother to read the website?

The resale inventory is located in the group "Cyberland B", and I will be happy to take anyone with any concerns around the grid to see every m2 in person. Also, we'll be more than doubling our current holdings on or about the 12th of this month.

Investing in such a bold new undertaking as SL's first publicly owned and traded company isn't for everyone. Clearly it isn't for you, and I respect that. That's no reason to come here and try to shoot the concept down with lies and propoganda though.

The exchange is only a few days old and we're already making quite a few people a lot of money. That should be obvious to anyone who's followed the trading activity since the initial share offering. Like I said it's ok if virtual stock markets aren't for you, but don't ruin a good thing for everyone due to your own personal issues, whatever they are. There's no scam to be found here, I'm simply turning the earnings potential of the land market over to the public at large.



-Shaun

i think as a "second life" and the anonymity it entails, it requires a certain balance of trust and caution. it's a matter of finding your own comfort zone. this is a game economy, not a real life mutual fund. any contract in sl has it's risks. my personal view was this exchange looks like a fun dimension to add to my second life and i invested an amount of money that i was comfortable with. over time if my trust in cyberland and it's business model grows (and i have more cash!) then i may invest more.

to be honest, i think this idea is brilliant, and says a lot about the diversity and complexity that the second life platform can generate.

Thank you for responding Shaun.

This is not a propaganda campaign. I was simply pointing out a few facts and observations from an in-game search of your Avatar and a look at your web site. If you have put together a legitimate enterprise, then why would you make an effort to not indicate that fact?

At this time, groups beginning with the word Cyberland are Cyberland and Cyberland Rentals. There is no group named Cyberland B yet.

A review of your website does not show any land holdings. Perhaps once someone becomes a member, there may be, as you say, evidence that you can show of assets. But why would anyone become a member in the first place if you can't show any evidence of assets?

From the groups you belong to, it certainly appears that you have little or no land. The officers of the group Cyberland seem to have 200 m2 between them. The officers of Cyberland Rentals appear to have zero m2.

So who in your group is the land actually held by if not the officers, especially as you list your title as "Land Baron?"

On the subject of members

Cyberland has four members, two of whom were born 1/20/2005; both last active 4/4/2005, both with no ratings received or given, both members, along with yourself, of:
Poker Players, Inc.
Poker Dealers, Inc.
Cyberland Rentals
Cyberland
Consolidated Equity

So they are... really close friends of each other?

The other two members appear to be very recent also. One of whom looks like an active player.

And then there is the fact that you wish to remain completely anonymous in every way to anyone who is a member by only being known by your avatar name. You ask that people deposit money in your kiosk in game, on nothing but a "Hi, I'm me (not my real name) please give me some money, for which I will (might) give you a little back - over time - if everything works out."

It appears that you have done everything to ensure that you cannot be identified or contacted by your "investors" should something not work out.



Rather than just making a blanket statement that I'm a lier, how about pointing something out that I may have actually lied about as I am not making any of this up.

edit: I messed up some of the quoting. One of my responses ended up in a quote block. whoops!


Hi,

Wow, well this is at least polite. So, where to begin.




You're Welcome. The majority of your "facts" are in error, however. This places them in the realm of unfounded opinions. Propoganda. A better tactic than a smear campaign would have been to contact me in-world and ask some questions, if your intentions here are in fact honest.



I thought that I had allowed the B group to be seen from the find groups list already. Thank you for pointing this out. I will do that now. The Cyberland and Cyberland Rentals group are for different purposes, mostly unused, and do not contain resale land inventory assosiated with the exchange. In fact, I should disband those.



There is no need to become a member to see what's going on. One must only select a company (currently Cyberland is the only company listed on the exchange, but sooner or later I'll be comfortable enough with IPO candidates who are viable enough, and will list other companies) under the "Markets" section of the menu to access real time company and market information.



With respect to the holdings in those groups, you are correct. Please see above.



Again. See above. The "land baron" title was kind of a pun back when I formed the origional Cyberland group. I should probably change that to something more professional, but it was only ever intended to be humorous.



This all sounds accurate.



My alts are Sparky Kennedy and Flash Bergman. They exist only for the purpose of holding a couple of groups together, and are otherwise unused. I have no problems with anyone knowing that those accounts are also me.



I have no comments regarding any members of any of my groups other than myself and my alts.



This is not my real life, it's my Second Life. I will not be providing my real life identity. I have never promised to do so, nor does any such obligation exist. If anyone is uncomfortable with that, they should not invest. If anyone would like to get to know me though, do feel free to IM me in-world!




Why put words into my mouth? I've never said anything like that. I've said nothing other than essentially, "here's a new opportunity containing it's own unique set of risks and rewards. If you're comfortable with that, welcome aboard! If not, that's ok too!". The FAQ and How to Trade pages on the website clearly outline both the potential rewards and that like any investment, there are risks.



I have contact information on the website. I will always be reachable though any market period; good, bad, or ugly.




The only thing you said that I stated was an outright lie was the statement that I was selling non-existant land to investors. The rest I labeled simply as propoganda. Again, a better tactic, assuming honest intentions on your own behalf, would have been to IM me in-world and say "Hey, where's the land Shaun??". I would have then noticed that the B group which holds this land wasn't listed in find, and rectified that situation (which by the way, has been done).

I have absolutely nothing to hide regarding this operation. One of the biggest questions I asked myself during every phase of the exchange's design was, "Is this aspect transparant enough to be above any reasonable critisism?". It's my belief that I've succeeded in this goal, general SL trust issues aside. I'm always open to suggestions though.



-Shaun

Very interesting indeed, I'm very curious to see how well this company holds up over time.

If this proves to be stable, and not a scam, I might be interested in joining in a few months.

- Sam

Providing it is not a scam, and holds against the test of time, maybe.

Yes, time will tell our story. I always encourage anyone with any reservations about me, the exchange, or the company to NOT invest. The exchange will still be here when they're ready! I also point out that they're probably missing the glory days, though.

I know a lot of the people who didn't buy the Cyberland IPO shares at 4-5 are really kicking themselves when they look at the trading stats now hehe. As of this post the highest buy order is at 8.5 and the lowest sell order is at 13.49. But at the end of the day it's up to each individual investor. You need to be comfortable with what you're doing or it won't prove to be a fun and rewarding experience for you.

Honestly though, there's no scam to be found here. Even with foul intentions, nobody could pull off a scam of the magnitude of what this exchange and it's first listed company can become, and EVER do any kind of business in SL again. In fact I'm sure the larger investors would probably find some way to sue me IRL and even if not win, make me very miserable.

I'm just a guy who's seen how much money there is to be made in SL land if things are done correctly, through both observation and successful first-hand experience. My goal with this exchange, Cyberland and any other companies listed in the future, is to create a channel through which the massive revenue potential in this area (and possibly other areas) can be tapped into by ANYONE willing to take the leap of faith and invest in publicly owned and traded companies. Together we can build larger enterprises than even the most powerful and elite individuals that SL has to offer. I want to facilitate that, if you'll let me.

You have to decide for yourself if this opportunity is right for you though. If you have any reservations, please, come to some investor meetings or just IM me in-world and get to know me better! If this doesn't do it for you, feel free to wait on the sidelines and watch. We'll still be here if and when a time comes that you're ready to take the leap!



-Shaun

All of the information I stated was found in-game and from your site. I did not misrepresent anything. I stated exactly the information available, which places them in the realm of facts.

You are actually attempting defamation of my character. I have misrepresented nothing. Yet, for some reason, you are calling me a lier rather than simply filling in information which, you say, is incorrect.





What happened to transparency? If I'm off base or got the wrong impression about your "holdings" due simply to a lack of any reason to believe otherwise, show it. Such information is important in establishing credibility as well as credit ability.

A second look around your "Island Poker/Consolidated Equity, Cyberland World Headquarters, Cayuga (237, 32)" area shows another 4K m2 of small inland plots on a PG sim. Low value land. Hopefully you have more to show for the investments than land like this.





It just now appeared while posting this reply. It shows 25,804 m2.



Actually, as you have chosen to use www.DomainsByProxy.com to host your web site anonymously, there is no traceable information available for members to contact you or know who you are from your web site. Further, you only accept payment in-game between characters and your kiosk, leaving no trail to who you are. Known legitimate financial services companies always let you know who they really are, and allow a paper trail of the transactions to be created. GOM, IGE and others accept Paypal and other forms of exchange that do leave a trail of information. They have sites that contain real names of people. Those are signs of legitimacy.

Shaun, you are known only by a fake name. You do not accept anything that leaves a paper trail. You hide your real name as owner of your web site. You only accept game currency in-game, which is an excellent money laundering technique. All of those facts - FACTS - paint a picture of someone trying not to be transparent but invisible. If you decide tomorrow to cash out and shut down, no one has any recourse. Large investors wanting to pursue you in real life, have little or no chance of success.

In RL, to set yourself up as a financial institution, you must provide very detailed information about who you are, your background, and your financial status. You, Shaun go out of your way to provide none of this in your Cyberland business. Sure, this is your second life, people should deal with you here, not in real life. You appeal to their sense of trust and confidence. There is a certain name for men who try to gain your confidence while separating you from your money. The fact is that $L is convertible to real $. Most people who have $L have them because they spent time in real life earning them, and they know that $L are readily convertible to real money. As you well know.

You ask for people to show some faith and have confidence in you. I'm just recommending that you give a reason for people to trust you. If people are giving you real value, which you are asking them to do, then you should provide real information on who they are giving it to.

Further, I'd say making verifiable transactions is a litmus test for anyone who hands over money to anyone else in this game. If a transaction is in significant currency, and they don't accept Paypal or something similar, you've walked into a situation that is made for scams.

thanks for the info - but please, find something more fun to do!

Smiley,



This is all rediculous. You obviously haven't failed to read my post as you've convinently replied to the parts that you felt suited your purpose. Anyone concerned can have a look at that post and find all of the data which you falsely claim is lacking, with the exception of my real life personal information. I've already stated that I will not be releasing this. You're clearly trolling.



Most of the land you were looking at in Cayuga is not for sale, which is why it is in a different group. Of course, having looked at it, you already knew that. What is for sale in that sim is indeed low value land bought at a great price. Of course, if you followed my instructions on where to find the market data, you already knew that too. You're clearly trolling.



That is the amount of tier currently alocated to the group. You will notice it doubling fairly shortly though, as I continue to buy following our modest yet successful IPO.





I've already stated that I will not be providing my real life identity in my second life. I've also stated that anyone not comfortable with this should not invest. Why continue to beat this dead horse? You guessed it! Because you're trolling!

I'll tell you what, though. Just to help put at ease anyone you've made nervous while trolling this thread, I'll offer this, right here on the public SL forum:

In the event that I leave Second Life with funds belonging to any publicly owned company listed on my exchange, or any company on my exchange which is run by ME crashes and I fail to redeem the outstanding shares for either equivelant volume of land or L$ at face value, Linden Lab can at that point feel free to release my real world identity to the entire SL population. I don't know if they will or not, but I will outright state my authorization to do so right here in public, in the event that either of those two events occurs.

Above and beyond that, I really don't know what to tell you. I'm sure that your selective and still largely mis-informed reply/attack makes your intentions to simply troll this thread pretty transparent to anyone who's followed it.

On the 1% chance that I'm confused and you just have a hard time following instructions, please don't invest. If you're nervous enough to post a reply like this and NOT trolling, I don't want your business. All investments carry some amount of risk and nobody should make an investment that they aren't comfortable with or don't feel that they fully understand. The End (I hope).



-Shaun

In replying to your latest slander, Shaun, I notice that I forgot to respond to this little piece of dis-information you made up:




I made no such statement, which is you could not quote me on that. Your statements about others telling lies and propaganda is a pot calling the kettle black phenomenon.

Do you treat your investors like this if they were to ask questions about who you are and what you are selling? I'm surprised that you would handle yourself this badly here, and not simply come clean with the facts.

sigh



-Shaun