No "first land sales" available

Newbie here.

To the "powers that be linden". There's no "first land" available for sale. Please make(?) some more.

I'll wait a couple of days for some to appear as "live help" suggested.

I am now officially homeless. Is there a street corner I can stand on and sell newspapers?

Unfortunately, "alts" of land barons bought all the first lands and sold these lands for X10 price.
What an endless situation, LL trying to make residents own lands(nice idea), but land barons buying all the lands to not let residents buy them cheap. Then residents asking for land, then LL creating more sims, land barons are buying all. So residents again asking for land. then LL creating more sims. And land barons are talking: "why are you creating so many sims?"
answer is so simple: because you are buying all of them.!

It can't be too difficult, surely, for IP address cross-referencing to discover all these alts of the land barons, when they buy first land, and for LL to give them a smack upside head for being dishonest, and treat them with the contempt they deserve by releasing the land again?

If it truly is Land Barons buying up all the land..... then frankly I think they should have their accounts terminated, whatever the cost to LL, because I'm quite sure that the monthly 'contribution' from land fees would be less than the amount of benefit to new players - and retained accounts - from this.

In Sims Online, we don't have this problem - a new player starting out with §10,000 can buy a basic plot of land anywhere in the city for about §3,000 and have enough left over to make a very basic house (you have to buy things, you can't make them yourself like in SL) - meaning all new players have the same basic opportunity, something that the selfish land barons are denying hundreds of people every single week.

Is that the way the game is meant to be played, screwing new players so they have to pay L$5000 instead of the L$500 it's MEANT TO? I certainly don't think so, and if I were part of LL, I would be working on a way to stop this ABUSE - there is no other term to describe it - of the system.

Please.... think of the n00bs.

Lewis

Do Linden folk read these posts?

How about making *some* first land that is clearly marked as "first land only"? That way the profit motive would be gone. "first land" marked land can only be transferred to another newbie at the $1/m price. If you want to buy land, improve it, and resell it for more later, you go buy land that is not marked as "first land forever". When you transfer land, you get your $1/m back, but that's it.

Just thinking out loud.

Each account can only buy first land once, right? And there's a restriction, supposedly by IP address, on how many accounts you can have (5 per household?), right?

So do you mean the people who do this are buying account after account after account, and having each buy 512 of first land? And Linden just lets them have all those accounts? Linden is lifting the IP restriction?

I'm not challenging you, I believe this is happening also, and that a lot of the camping chair people are actually tons of alts. I'm just wondering how they're doing this unless Linden sanctions it?

I doubt it. There was just a lot of people waiting for the last lot to come up. I know noobies who bought first land in the last lot released. I think supply is intermittent, maybe because the land has to come from somewhere, like recovered land. Even if they created new land, that takes time too.
How many alts are these 'barons' supposed to have? First land is only available once, it costs to create an alt account... it wouldnt really be worth the effort.
I don't think the creation of the new wholesale sims is based on people crying out they can't find land, rather it stems from their wholesale demand, is my guess. That and if it works it's a better way for LL to do business.
Incidentally... market price is determined by the law of demand and supply. Increase demand relative to supply, price goes up. Increase supply relative to demand, price goes down. So what effect overall do you think 40 sims + coming on the market will have on prices, especially when there is so much (non-first) land for sale already all over the grid?
'Land Barons' can not dictate to us merely by setting a parcel of land for sale at a certain price. They get the price the market ultimately determines.
And as for only being able to sell first land as first land, well... so you guys dont want the profit when you resell? You would be taking away one sure-fire way for a newbie to get a bit of cash behind themselves. Careful what you wish for.
To the OP, don't worry, be patient and check the land sales frequently, something will come up.

If you really have found someone that is an alt of a land baron doing this, I suggest you abuse report them. I think you're mistaken, though. If they are selling non-waterfront land for 10$L/meter2, then it is very unlikely that they are land barons. Land barons don't sell land that expensive unless there is something special about that spot. What you are probably seeing is a sim full of new people that want the $L and not the land, so they are buying the plots up to try to get 10$L/meter2. They most likely won't get it, and then they will lower their prices. Land barons are more likely to do things like buy from a new person willing to sell their land for cheaper than market price, and then try to sell at market price, which right now starts down around 4$L/meter2. I think if you look through find, you will find most of the cheapest plots being sold by land re-sellers. It is true that they buy up the extremely cheap plots that come around every now and again, but they are also constantly competing with each other with lower and lower prices.

I bought 1st land from "1st lander" at 10L$/sqm, in Malra.
I paid up to 20L$/sqm for 1 or 2 land.

Why the 1st land are so expensive thoses days ? Because the 4 firstland sim was in the "new continent" (far south-est of the map). Thoses new sim are great (better than the flatflatlflat "anshe" sim to the Est). Malra, the 1st opened sim in this continent, have a 16ksqm protected land, malra WASN'T terraformable and because i'm a bit crazy sometimes. I paid very high all i could, that's what raised the price, afaik.

I was "the queen of the playground" in Malra, biggest land owner, lovely with my neighbour, just loved this sim, really ...
I expected to lose a lot of money in malra. But... i found someone more crazy than me and i recovered my "investment". The crazyness in 3 others sim is not my job. But ppl noticed the price in malra and put the same price as malra (badly, there is no protected land in the 3 other sim)

Anyway ...
There is no "alt" here, or "Land Barron overtake", or "abuse of noobiness", or god know what ...

My 2L$.

Yes i saw first lands at new south island first land sims ,bought by different characters and set to the same land baron for L$1.
And yes i saw some newbies sold their first lands for L$ 600 to some middle sized land barons in mature flat green islands, because they thought they were making profit(buy 512, sell 600). I dont like seeing ones who are taking advantages of newbies.
The solution-> block selling first lands for 3 weeks after purchasing.

You know i won't do that kanza' ^^

If i understand. some ppl bought a premium account just to sell a 1st land ?
duh .... i call that an abuse of the game logic, an exploit.

Seems like an easy system to game. {In fact, I started outlining it here, but now I'm wondering why I don't just do it}.

At this point I have to say that it looks to me like the land Baron scenario is probably true.

Here's what I saw. I'm new to SL, and was considering upgrading so I could play around with the build system. Unfortunatly, all of the land I could afford was tiny (64M^2), so I held off. Then one day I opened up the "search for land" box and lo, there was an enormous number of first land plots for sale. I upgraded my account right then and there and teleported to the island. Looking around, there were lots of lots for sale up on the mountain, but as to be expected all of the waterfront had already been claimed by various random people. I snagged a hillside plot and started building. A few days later, most of the land is bought and almost all of them have some form of building on them, except for the waterfront. I go down there and discover that apparently all of the landowners there sold their land to one notorious Land Baron who combined all of the 512m plots into one big 8192 plot taking up pretty much the entire coastline.

I find it unlikely that they convinced 16 new players (who were all very fast to buy land and all got plots right next to each other) to all sell their land, especially after only a few days. While this could be legitmate, it doesn't pass the smell test for me.

The only good thing is that the super expensive waterfront property hasn't sold yet, so you can still take walks down the pristine (uncluttered) beach.

The bad news is that the first land is all gone, so new players are again left high and dry.

Let's see...
cost of creating 16 alt accounts: $159.20
16 first land parcels: around $30
land tier fees for ONE month 8192m: $40
Thats around $230...
Total cost of that 8192 plot, assuming it sold in less than a month, would be around $60,000L (I hope I got my sums right). How much is it selling for?
Not saying it couldn't happen, just seems like there would be better margins in non-underhand purchases.

You forgot the $L bonus just for upgrading. Sell that back on the Lindex and you get a significant chunk of your investment back. Also, all of those alts listed one of the other alts as a referrer, giving the second alt the referrer bonuses, which can also be sold back on the Lindex. Plus you get four weeks of allowance you can put up on the Lindex.

If you want to see what I'm talking about, check out the beachfront in Bora.

You're right, I did forget a few numbers, and they do make a large difference. I knew I'd leave something out! I had a look at the land, out of curiousity, but I can't glean it's history from that. Sure is a nice piece of land. I can't speak for what you've seen in your area, obviously, but I still am inclined to not think the worst. There is one other cost I left out: time. Would it be worth a busy business person's time to go through all of that, for the sake of one land deal?

Dunno, but IIRC all of the land on the island was first land, so they either got supremely lucky with new players willing to sell great land for cheap, or there is something fishy IMHO.

Heck, don't you get refunded your premium membership upgrade if you cancel your account within 7 days?

The credit card logistics are a problem left to the reader however.

You have a nice spot up on the hillside ...
The most extreme profiteering I saw there was not by land barons, but a 1536m for $50,000, new residents. I also saw a few good deals. If I wasnt tiered up, I woulda bought one I saw.
Like I said, I can't speak for what you saw, so I won't discount your oberservations.

It's not profiteering if nobody buys the land. Some of the players definatly went nuts with their prices, but I doubt those will sell at those prices. Those guys I didn't worry about too much, they're probably just testing the waters to see what people will pay.

I'd like to think people woudln't exploit systems designed to help get new players on their feet too, but my internal cynic is just too noisy. OTOH, I have 0 proof (never took screenshots of the land before it got transfered into the group or even wrote down the names), so my word is basically worth nothing. Ah well. I was just a little annoyed because I was just about to bring a friend of mine into the game and noticed that he'd be up a creek w.r.t. land like I was when I first started, which is a bit of a problem when you're selling them on the "build stuff for everyone to see" feature. Fortunatly, there is still a lot of land in the area owned by Governer Lindon, so there's a good chance more affordable first land will appear in the near future.

I'm just glad I got in when I did. That first batch of land sold out in only a few days. I'd like to think that was just a backlog of excited new players and the next batch will sell at a more reasonable rate.

LOL so do I

OTOH, there is a real nonzero chance of that waterfront selling for what they're asking.

Some land barons are already creating alt accounts regularly(for some other reasons too),
so cost of creating 16 alt accounts: $159.20 this is not a true outcome
and they use tier for all month buy and sell, they have always tier
so land tier fees for ONE month 8192m: $40. this is not a true outcome.
only outcome is actually: 16 first land parcels: around $30
8192sqm waterfront mature is near 65K which is around $240,
aproximately $210 profit. I dont mean all land barons are doing this. Maybe some middle sized quick sellers and some employees of big land barons.

It still counts. The opportunity cost of using that tier is not using it for other land purchases.

On the other hand, it's not like this is the first 8192 land they're buying. They're no doubt making use of the higher tiers (better land/$ ratio), so it the opportunity cost is probably closer to $25 instead of $40.

u are right, but for at most 3 days. so
30 days : $40
3 days : $4
the remaining 27 days they are using the tier.

I don't follow where you get three days from... they will be using that tier till the property sells. Who knows how long that will be? Could be more than 30 days.
Once again, I am not saying it's not possible, I would just urge you all to consider it from as many perspectives as possible.
All of this I guess, strays somewhat from the topic of the OP. The original question/request would probably receive more direct attention on a Linden forum.