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Cubey Terra
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05-10-2005 19:44
From: Prokofy Neva
So I dug out this old FIC card with land advice. It wasn't done with good will. It wasn't to *really* help newbies. It was done with the kind of pitchforky indignation and venom and outrage that people gear up to in this game,


No, I think you've cornered the market on "pitchforky indigation" and "outrage". I don't think there's any room for anyone else.

Seriously, Prok... it seems you're completely unable to comprehend an act of good will. To you, everything has an ulterior motive. I suspect, however, that you're simply projecting your own motivations. Wouldn't it be great, for example, if all newbies bought First Land, sold it to you for cheap and boosted your land business?
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Prokofy Neva
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05-11-2005 09:42
From: someone
Wouldn't it be great, for example, if all newbies bought First Land, sold it to you for cheap and boosted your land business?


You actually think that something like this could be true...and I'd continue to participate in a debate about it day after day LOL.

You and your fake rumour mill lol. It was started by Traxx Hathor, for malicious and evil personal reasons, and had no facts in it then, and it still has no facts in it when it is repeated by Hiro Pendragon or you.

I don't care how many wannabee FICs and actual FICS repeat this malicious slander, it's still not true LOL. I do not scam newbies.

One of the reasons I oppose you FIC people is because you so readily believe -- or start --rumors that have to do with hatred of land owners. You never bother to be "confused by the facts".

I don't have a "land business". I have a rentals business. I do not buy and sell large volumes of land, I buy it and rent it out, usually in small parcels.

Any newbie who sells me land is my long-term customers, and remains to rent from me. The dozen or so people who have done this could step forward and testify. They aren't the kind of people who post on the forums and like to have their game disrupted by people like you. But I can give you or any other inquisitive and malicious oldbie a list of those newbies whose land I have purchased and you can talk to them directly.

I buy the land of some newbies who rent from me and donate their tier. I buy it at market rates, which they understand, and they are welcome to sell it on the open market -- and some do.

The grand total of newbie first land that I have bought in my six months in SL is something like this figure: 12-15 -- i.e. in personal, negotiated transactions, not on some open right-click basis.

Yeah, hard to believe, eh?

The grand total of the profit I have made in buying and selling this land: $0

Yeah, hard to believe, eh?

Because most of it sells for a loss, or whatever tiny profit might be made on it is eaten up by the tier taken on it. Meanwhile, those newbs have gotten fantastic deals.

Kind of hard to complain about this, eh?

It's merely because I chose to discuss my business openely and open it up for any and all scrutiny that I can be targeted as an evil land baron, when others who actually do buy and sell loads of first land, often at rates that are less than what that newb could be getting on the market, who who do make a fair profit from it, are able to scurry away under a rock somewhere.

In fact, I support their right to buy and sell as much first land as they can, because they provide a service in this game.

I'll be handing you a triple negrate for your malicious slander, Cubey.
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Blanc Noir
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05-11-2005 10:19
From: Prokofy Neva
You actually think that something like this could be true...and I'd continue to participate in a debate about it day after day LOL.


Actually, no I don't really believe it's true. Haven't thought about it really. I was simply illustrating through example how motives can be misinterpreted and misconstrued as something selfish. You paint help notecards as a self-serving plot by some organized bunch of players. I point out that your own actions can also be misrepresented.

Twisting the truth is easy, but usually harmful. I hope you'll avoid it in the future.
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Cubey Terra
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05-11-2005 10:20
From: Prokofy Neva
You actually think that something like this could be true...and I'd continue to participate in a debate about it day after day LOL.


Actually, no I don't really believe it's true. Haven't thought about it really. I was simply illustrating through example how motives can be misinterpreted and misconstrued as something selfish. You paint help notecards as a self-serving plot by some organized bunch of players. I point out that your own actions can also be misrepresented.

Twisting the truth is easy, but usually harmful. I hope you'll avoid it in the future.

From: someone
Prokofy Neva rated you negatively: For your spread of malicious and false slander of me. I won't be steering any more newbies to you as a result.


Oh really? What was it about my example that was slanderous? Actually it wasn't at all.

And a "triple negrate"? There was something about my appearance and building skill that you disliked? You really enjoy abusing the rating system, don't you? My questions is, who's going to neg rate you for your endless months of slanderous attacks on pretty much everyone else in SL?

Well, it won't be me. First of all, I won't abuse the ratings system. Second, it's not worth the money to neg rate you. You've tarnished your own reputation quite enough. ;)
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Akane Tokugawa
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05-11-2005 10:50
From: someone
I'll be handing you a triple negrate for your malicious slander, Cubey.


This is uncalled for. Cubey is a wonderful person, and does not deserve to be griefed for stating ordinary facts. :mad:

Prokofy tries to justify the griefing by twisting facts like usual when he gets mad. This time it's just more of that same old theme of Prokofy being permanently being mad at Traxx Hathor for personal reasons. I saw it myself in Prokofy's own post about Traxx's avatar pic being a 'pinup' with 'eroticism', and Traxx not posting much of anything about Prokofy.

This post by Prokofy was in Gallery (it's wuvme's Da Sexxay Av thread):

From: someone
Quote from a post by Traxx Hathor:
Welcome to the forums, Night Fox. : ) Thanks for telling Francis I recommended Seburos. I'd post a pic of my av, but he's PG -- nobody wants to see that!


*Rolls Eyes*. Just in case the girls get clamouring after that clever "come hither," I've done the homework.

Not here? That's because the full-sized Traxx pin-ups aren't in a slow-loading, hard-to-find thread like Sexay Avatars, but found invading sections like "Build" or "General" or "Land And Economy" where they can get MUCH MUCH more visibility!

Oh...PG you say? For the eroticism, look at the gear and the props

Linden building mistakes are the hottest

http://forums.secondlife.com/showpo...102&postcount=6

http://forums.secondlife.com/showpo...363&postcount=4

http://forums.secondlife.com/showpo...31&postcount=13


Oh, and here's a new pin-up!

http://forums.secondlife.com/showpo...72&postcount=29




Prokofy is welcome to have whatever personal opinion of Traxx he wants, but that doesn't change the facts. And Cubey Terra should not have to get griefed just because Prokofy wants to twist those facts for personal reasons having nothing to do with Cubey. :mad:

Edited to add: Yes! Why waste L$75 negrating Prokofy? I'm going to spend it posrating Cubey. :)
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Jeska Linden
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05-11-2005 11:16
Please remember that the SL Forums are a place to discuss your SL-related ideas, questions, and projects. It is clearly stated in our Forum Guidelines that "We believe in an honest and open free exchange of ideas, and in always maintaining a respect for the opinions and positions of other people."

This thread has several highly disrespectful posts which do nothing to promote discussion and education about Second Life, but instead are personal attacks against one another. Please refrain from posting such attacks in the Forums. If you must continue your disagreements, please utilize another form of communication such as in-world chat or instant messages.
Juro Kothari
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05-11-2005 11:27
From: Prokofy Neva
I'll be handing you a triple negrate for your malicious slander, Cubey.

I think, dear Prokofy, you forgot the definition of 'slander', which, from what I can see of Cubey's HYPOTHETICAL comment, was not slander.

slan·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (slndr)
n.
Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
A false and malicious statement or report about someone.



See... Cubey's statement is a hypothetical question. It was not a false statement, nor was it malicious. Further, and more importantly, slander is usually reserved for *oral* communications - I think what you were going after would be libel:
li·bel ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbl)
n.

A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
The act of presenting such material to the public.
The written claims presented by a plaintiff in an action at admiralty law or to an ecclesiastical court.


Still, your claim wouldn't hold water... as what Cubey said was hypothetical.

You're smarter than that, Prokofy.. don't raise the slander/libel flag unless it is ACTUALLY slanderous or libelous. This appears to me that you're just stirring the pot.
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Maxx Monde
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05-11-2005 12:57
Yeah, Jeska is right.

Just because I think someone is a box-wine swilling nutjob, doesn't mean I should post about it.

I hope you all learned your lesson.
Akane Tokugawa
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05-11-2005 14:54
yessir! :D
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Prokofy Neva
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05-11-2005 16:04
Posing things as "hypotheticals" is one of the most common ways here to skirt the ROC. Doesn't fly with me. Sure do negrate when I have excellent reason to, when vicious slanderers post twisted statements and put *hypotheticals* down as a way of carrying on slander.

Akane, hey, thanks for getting that post some more attention than it would have gotten buried under like a zillion slow-loading people's sexay avatar pictures! I think it's good to puncture some people's pretentious posturing sometimes, don't you? Um, why are you carrying water for certain people? I can't imagine why. I'll bet you'll get disabused of THAT in a hurry. Just stick around a little, keep your eyes open, and you'll get it!

Yeah, Maxx, for example, if I thought somebody might *not* look so good naked and might *not* be a great father to their kids, well, there'd be no reason to post that, would there? Of course there wouldn't be.
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Maxx Monde
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05-11-2005 18:04
Heh, yeah - reminds me of a story involving bikinis, where somone just totally ripped off all the sources....woo, I tell ya, habits die hard, don't they?

My, my...what a world.
Juro Kothari
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05-11-2005 18:10
bikinis..... ripped off..... ohhh, now *that's* a party for me!! ;)

For what it's worth, i thought a one-piece was the way to go.. and by one-piece, i mean just the bottoms. :D
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05-11-2005 21:42
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05-11-2005 21:46
From: Schwanson Schlegel
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your sig changed... did you run out of island sims again?
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05-12-2005 09:03
From: Jeska Linden
Please remember that the SL Forums are a place to discuss your SL-related ideas, questions, and projects. It is clearly stated in our Forum Guidelines that "We believe in an honest and open free exchange of ideas, and in always maintaining a respect for the opinions and positions of other people."

This thread has several highly disrespectful posts which do nothing to promote discussion and education about Second Life, but instead are personal attacks against one another. Please refrain from posting such attacks in the Forums. If you must continue your disagreements, please utilize another form of communication such as in-world chat or instant messages.


Kindly enforce your TOS instead of hoping Miss Neva will grow up and get therapy -- then this won't be a problem.
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Prokofy Neva
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05-12-2005 09:09
From: someone
Kindly enforce your TOS instead of hoping Miss Neva will grow up and get therapy -- then this won't be a problem.


Prokofy Neva is "he".

The TOS is being enforced, and I"m on the right side of it. Are you?

From: someone

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Um, do you have any other way of getting attention for yourself other than riding on my coat-tails? Did you have any ideas or thoughts about the game *of your own* that aren't merely a reaction to mine>

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"Yes, I know I need help." - Prokovy Neva, in a moment of lucidity.


Geez, you're going to add forging quotes to your attention-seeking devices?
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05-12-2005 10:18
Even though this thread was warned for personal attacks, the Off-Topic remarks have continued and as such it is being closed. Continued mis-use of the SL Forums in this way will result in suspensions or eventual bans.
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