disable sit-safety!!!

i know its annoying to be pushed around... BUT!

if you sit in real life, anyone can push you!

why are you in a fixed position when you sit in second life?

i know this would give griefers a chance to really annoy people,
but hey, wouldnt make that secondlife more emotional? you can still abuse report 'em.

sion zaius.

The reason you're safe when you sit is because it cuts down on lag.

What happens is that standing avatars are physical objects, every time they move the physics engine has to check if they need to interact wit the objects around them. If you were sitting on a physical object (say a vehicle) then every time you or the vehicle moved, you'd have to check to see if you'd collided with the vehicle you were sitting on... that's ludicrous, so what SL does is to treat your avatar as part of whatever object you're sitting on.

At the same time, this means that if you're giving a class and there's a bunch of avatars sitting around on benches, the physics engine isn't wasting time doing individual collision detection for each avatar... they're just treated as part of the bench. Again, that allows SL to handle many more avatars in a single area than it could possibly manage otherwise.

This is how sit-teleporters, sit-elevators and other non-physical vehicles, real vehicles, all kinds of things work. Turning it off would break all these things, make SL laggier, and benefit nobody. I can't imagine the Lindens taking this suggestion seriously.

All the pushing in SL is damn terrible. You can't stand up in any sandbox, it's ridiculous.

If you weren't safe sitting down I think most people would have quit by now.

We definitely need people to get more emotional about their second lives.

It would also be really peachy if, when in a damage enabled area, if you died you had to pay $5 to get back into SL. Wouldn't that be great! I know it might annoy some, but others might have fun.

there are a lot of issues with push that need revising all at the same time. for instance:

Inverse cube push effect drop off = wrong.
maximum strength = wrong.
amount of energy and energy use to apply a push = wrong.
calculations needed to apply it accurately = wrong.
and yes, the fact that sitting can't be unsat with a strong enough push = wrong.

what push should do:

Push should essentially be an applied impulse where the number you tell it to push something is as accurate as if an applied impulse was called from the object or avatar itself. The only variable should be the distance and available energy which should ONLY cause the push to drop off if the amount of energy needed is exceeded.

There are a couple of reasons that it should work that way. It removes the need to for position and position prediction, mass compensation, and distance compensation calculations from script which can be hardcoded and done automatically much faster and efficiently. It also allows limits to be set more intuitively. A push limit should not depend on distance. If the max push amount is set to say 500 then it should be 500 applied impulse on top of the object as well as at the limit of the objects energy.

As someone who was attacked by a push script I say Bullox! to your suggestion.

Only a griefer would even ask for such a thing.

heh, griefing is perfectly easy the way it is now. what I'm asking for would make useful things possible.

I dunno, why the hell can we fly and teleport? WALK ONLY TRANSPORTATION IN SL!

If you would really like to be pushed around, turn physics on for your chair. or better yet just the pillow you are sitting on. why you are at make an invisible pillow. It always fun to throw yourself around. Stand on a large box with physics and give it good shove upward, stand back and watch the bodies fly

If you fly in real life, people will look amazed at you

But to your question: NO!
Sitting is the only thing that makes you invincible against the numerous griefers (in the sandbox, at an event, etc). It must stay!

I suspect you only want this, because you think you will be selling more shields.

How does pushing a sitting avatar make "useful things possible"? Don't push the av, use llApplyImpulse or llMoveToTarget in the object they're sitting on.

good point, I forgot that was the topic , I just want better push when they're not sitting.

what happens if you sit on a chair in reallife?

anyone can move you around (push). for me, a second-life should physically be like the first life.


it would be fun if i fall to the ground when someone bumps be when im sitting on a chair.

regarding accusation selling more shields - dear lindens, just implement an option like "pushes affect me".

i would not sell any shield anymore, but i'd like secondlife to be more emotional.

it would be cool if every sim would be a combat sim, and when you die you loose everyone you have. in real life you'd loose everything too.

the murderer should go to prison for a few months then.

i'm just missing the KICK in secondlife.

Tell you what, I'll agree with that if you'll tell me how I can touch my left elbow with my right hand while standing on one leg... using only the tools available in Second Life. I don't need to bring up Poser to do that in RL, now do I?

Pushing someone on a chair? Christ. What a stupid stupid stupid thing to worry about when so much else in SL needs fixing first.

i'm not religious.

however tell me, what needs fixing? whats wrong with secondlife?

and just to remind you - this forum is called feature suggestions, and not "bug-fixing".

I think the idea of SL is that only the basics are hard coded and the majority of stuff is scripted. I mean, can you imagine how big the client would be if it included every damned thing anyone would ever think of doing?

If you want to fall off your chair when someone bumps into you, script the chair to make it so - you could make a complex version with animations, slight nudges etc. if you want, but it shouldn't be more than a couple of lines of code just to knock you off.


On an aside, Argent's example does actually refer to something that's missing from SL though - we really do need a way to animate avatar's dynamically.

Your suggestion was phrased as if it were fixing a shortcoming. Personally, I don'tthink it is. But if you want feature suggestions...?

* Bendable prims.
* Hole prims or anti-prims, boolean prim operations.
* Scriptable animations.
* Scriptable Linden-style trees.
* llDetectedFace() or llDetectedPos() for touch.
* Non-humanoid skeletons.
* llTeleportObject().
* Texture layers.
* llSetObjectPos().
* Editable water height.
* Underground building.
* Multiple attachments per attachment point.
* llSendGrieferToTheCornfield().

this would make YOU happy, but normal residents woudlnt even notice a change if those things would be implemented.

EGOIST!

Hell yeah they would! Content creators get better tools => other users get better content.

ooohhkkaaayyy!! however this is my thread, and its about unsitting people.

so quit talking about other features

Hey, I just wrote a script for your chair:

key sitterKey=NULL_KEY;

default {
	changed(integer change) {
		if (change & CHANGED_LINK) {
			sitterKey=llAvatarOnSitTarget();
		}
	}

	collision_start(integer num_detected) {
		llUnSit(sitterKey);
	}
}

It's certainly not perfect and I haven't tested it, but I think it should work well enough to prove my point.

no no, see a push won't unsit them with that . anyway, we want to impose our will on others, duh.

lol

We could script it so it would though.

Yup, hes lost it..

If you tell people you can fly in RL you'll go into the loony house..

You wouldn't be able to go to a vending machine and buy, oh I dunno, shields, dynamite, guns either... You wouldn't be able to create plywood blocks out of thin air.

We do not need SL to be more like RL, heck if you're missing the kick from SL and want it to be more like RL, try playing RL for a bit!! Its out there, trust me!

Theres no way, in a million years they'd implement this..