Teen Grid suggestion

Could anyone else read that? I couldn't

Remember, regarding the privacy concerns, a "ghost" is no more invading someone's privacy than if another person visited their land while they were offline.

Saying it's invading someone's privacy is like saying someone who stops to look at your house / build / shop was invading your privacy while you were logged off the main SL grid.

You do realize that haveing these "ghoasts" will still burden the content servers, since all clients have to download content AND the physics engine will still be burdened since the server handles *at leaste* enough physics for a client to move around in the environment reguardless of being restricted from any other interaction.

Now that I've thought about it, its best off to make it two seperate systems, no content transfer or anything. If you want to have interaction then allow Adult acount userers to be able to log in, but ohly allow for Minor -> Adult server transfers. Allowing for userser taht go from Minor to Adult to bring all their content with them when they "move up" Basicly: "If you didnt get it there you cant have it there"

Ladies and gentlemen, James Miller - the hardest-working restricted area infiltrator in SL. You have to work pretty hard to get mentioned in the release notes.


Sadly, many of them will have parents who A) do not supervise their internet usage because B) they expect everyone else to do it, and therefore C) will blame LL if any unpleasant thing, real or imagined, happens to their precious offspring.

It's inevitable that there will be some kind of communication between the two grids, unless they cripple certain features in the junior one. Objects sending and receiving email would be one way to have people able to talk directly between the grids. It should be interesting to hear what LL has in mind.

I certainly support the teen grid, don't get me wrong. I am just more humored by the communities distain for minors. Then again, I doubt they really care about the ones they don't notice.

I think the easiest thing to do would be to allow people to go to the teen grid but not rez objects... and they'd have to use teen grid clothes. Seems innocent enough, really.

I don't think it's a disdain. I think it's simply wanting to have what we have enjoyed for two years. Picture this: you've been hanging out at a local pub for a couple years. you really like it. Of course no minors have been allowed in. Suddenly they change the rules and the will be let in. Poof! There goes your adult hang out with adult topics, jokes, etc. I would even be unhappy if they said *we are gonna make a day care section of the pub, separate from the main area, but we will be using your servers and bartenders to service them, and we're not adding more staff.* Though I am not too thrilled with the fact that LL manpower will be subverted to start up and then monitor this grid, I am ELATED that it will be separate.

Good way to put it, but in the realm of the anoynomous internet it is interesting to see minors that pass clearly as adults and adults that can barely act their age. I personally support minors sneaking their way into the main server. This is probably that I could easily see my self in this situation only a few years ago. I don't think I would of taken "No" or a "teen" sim for an answer.

I'd jump right and and would never be caught.

Young and stupid people atleast have an excuse. I don't know what some of the other people in SL have to say to say for themselves.

Then again, I think the Linden's are going the right thing. I just feel for the little sneaks who are mature enough to not get caught -- which I would say is a fairly large user group.

Perhaps LL could just authorize some known adult mentors to visit the teen grid.

I don't think we need a bunch of adults going in there and crashing their party, but I would imagine that many of the teens will become frustrated if they don't have some more experienced people to teach them about building, scripting, and so on.

Some teens will already have these skills in spades, of course, but many won't.

The teen grid ecconomy would be *very* different. How many teens can blow 200$ US for a sim?

A lot of lunch money. Heh.

Seriously though, I could see teens with a good cash flow (i.e. wealthy family) or who are successful young entrepreneurs starting something up. I really look for that innovation from the so-called next generation, as tricky as all these issues are.

Kex, I think your idea is great. I also think it the concept would have to be carefully-positioned to the teen set in order for them to feel comfortable--the idea of unseen visitors might indeed be "creepy" to them as many have mentioned. The only addition I'd suggest (which has probably already been mentioned) is that perhaps teens could ban "ghosts" from their land. Much like a kid locking their door so their parents can't snoop around their room.

Hummm if we can have no build and no script zones in our grid y cant we have like 3 sims where adults and teens can both go to so that was the teen is being violated by privacy because they know this is an adult and teen sim. They could have some sandboxes like that so the adults can also teach the teens some. But as for the ghost idea,STUPID, teens wont want to play if they even think big brother big sister, mom, or dad can watch what theve done, if i were a teen i wouldnt want my dad or mom or any1 looking around my house, my oppion is it's stupid having ghosts, i think the mixed sim's are a much better idea!(and we all know there are a lot of teen's in our SL anyways let them not have to do that and have their own!

Separating the Grids is a good idea, not only for privacy and protection of minors, but also for the development of the concepts of the Metaverse. I think one could look at the Kid Grid as a new universe, completely separate and independent from the Main Grid. LL may have bold new plans for the Kid Grid -- as Strife pointed out, how would they be able to spend the L$ for land based on the current economy? I can see them changing the economic model of the Kid Grid significantly to deal with this problem.

Also, isn't allowing them into SL Jr. sort of hooking them early and basically attempting to secure their loyalty to SL for when they do get old enough and can switch to the Main Grid? Give them a taste of what life in Second Life is like before they can really afford to live in the Main Grid and make them hungry for more. I can see everyone being assigned a 1024 plot of land (and if the rumors are true the prim allocation increase should make that mostly sufficient for large projects). I can also see the Kid Grid being used as a virtual class room -- not just the social experiments the colleges were doing, but an actual distance learning platform. The Kid Grid could be a big school, more or less, and having us involved in that (except as Mentors, maybe) would be bad for their development as an independent world.

Another concern about us being allowed into the Kid Grid is our clothing, and our inventories. If we were allowed in their world we would have to have some restrictions, including no inventories past what we are given upon arrival in the world -- including our clothes. There are a LOT of really skimpy outfits people run around in. I can see them making the Kid av's even more like Barbie and Ken dolls with permanent conservative under garments attached. That's the only way I'd suggest letting us visit them.

Oh, and no custom animations. How soon after custom animations were available were there amazing "advances" in the av sex industry?

The ghosting idea the Kex presented above is an interesting one, but I think that it might be detremental to the servers if a lot of us are ghosted on the Kid Grid. If Kex's idea is implemented, I would suggest a limit to the number of Main Grid av's that can visit an area at a time, based on some cryptic formulae that work with ratios and statistics and other necromancy I don't understand

I kind of like this idea.

Rather than it really being creepy, what Kex has outlined - in my opinion - is akin to visiting a high school campus on a Sunday.

No one is there, but as you expore the campus, you can see paintings they've done hanging in hallway, the music room, their sports fields, and so on. I don't see why LL wouldn't want to have something like this done to save them time, other than that... I'm sure it would be a big old pain to code with everything else going on.

Regards,

-Flip

Ah, Flip, that makes me think of something -- what about having Open Houses periodically where we are allowed onto the Kid Grid with basic inventories and clothing? That would be very cool! We could meet the kids making things and stuff. As long as we keep our language appropriate (maybe filter bad words and stuff automagically like the forums on some sites), that should be cool.

That would be sweet! I would really like to try that. Anyways, the teens should probably be told that accounts with the last name "adult visitor" are adults. For a warning's sake. That sounds reasonable.

Keep both grids separate - no co-mingling of the two grids.

Maybe the wizards at LL can create a " buffer zone" where kid creations can be viewed by us maybe once every couple of weeks - but with no interactions between the two groups.

I like the ghost idea.
That would be one more incentive for the kids not to create X rated material.