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Flash Animations
Seven Overdrive
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10-19-2006 17:17
Please LL we need Flash Animations in SL. Having the ability to place flash animations on prims would really be a nice feature to have for content creators.
Argent Stonecutter
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10-19-2006 20:21
From: Seven Overdrive
Please LL we need Flash Animations in SL.
Not only no, but HELL NO. Thats CRAZY talk! You might as well take a flame thrower to your computer right now, because you'll need to overclock it using secret alien technology to get enough performance to deal with a mall full of flash-on-a-prim vendors.

God, I thought the people wanting HTML on a prim were bad enough.
Draco18s Majestic
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10-19-2006 21:31
I KNOW~! LETS PUT SHOCKWAVE ONA PRIM~!!!!11!!111!!one
(Shockwave, as in the files made with Macromedia Director--the 18 wheeler of Flash--god, some of those run slow enough in a browser by itself).
Seven Overdrive
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10-19-2006 23:28
yeah whatever. Smooth Anim and texture cyclers just don't cut it anymore. Time for progress.
Kalemika Dougall
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10-19-2006 23:30
What part of the above don't you understand?

There's never been an instance I know of EVER where a flash file has been used for a texture in any game. It's not logical. There's better ways around it, vector animation takes WAY too much CPU and someone could easily crash people's viewers by loading themself with prims covered in different flash animations.

If you're really desperate, on your own land, Quicktime can play flash animations.
Nargus Asturias
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10-20-2006 00:00
Also, you'll be amazed what a texture anim can do. My friend loop a quick movie snapshot and 3d-animations on prim using only textures looping :P
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Seven Overdrive
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10-20-2006 00:10
If people have low end machines then they could simply turn flash animations off in their client just llike particles or whatever. Why should those with better systems be punished. It seems some would rather have us all walk around like stick figures in a barren wasteland because they don't want to turn options off in their client.
Nargus Asturias
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10-20-2006 00:14
Well, even if my machine isn't high, I don't think it is low. And still I am stuck with ~10-15fps in normal places. But a mall fulled of flashy prims?!? I'm certain that only one percent of people can turn on that flashy feature and do not crash. So if only 1% of SL can see it, it probably not a good idea to wasting LL time to add it at all.
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-20-2006 08:18
They don't make a personal computer powerful enough to do what you want.

If they implemented even HTML on a prim the way some people seem to want... and you went into a mall with 100 prims rendering HTML... not flash just HTML... you would freeze, crash the SL client, or even crash the computer.

Flash would make this situation far far worse.

Right now just downloading textures is enough of a bottleneck, even on my Athlon 64 XP dual core system with 2GB RAM and a PCI-E nVidia 7600 with 256M VRAM.
Aliasi Stonebender
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10-20-2006 20:34
hey, guess what, you CAN!

Quicktime plays Flash!

No interactivity, mind you.
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Osgeld Barmy
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10-20-2006 21:15
aye qicktime does indeed along with...

From: apple.com

* 3DMF (Mac OS 9 & Windows)
* 3GPP
* 3GPP2
* AIFF
* AMC
* AMR
* Animated GIF
* AU
* Audio CD Data (Mac OS 9)
* AVI
* BMP
* CAF (Mac OS X)
* Cubic VR
* DLS
* DV
* FlashPix*
* FLC
* GIF
* GSM
* JPEG/JFIF
* Karaoke
* MacPaint
* MIDI
* MPEG-1
* MP3 (MPEG-1, Layer 3)
* M3U (MP3 Playlist files)
* MPEG-2**
* MPEG-4
* MQV
* M4A, M4B, M4P (iTunes 4 audio), M4V (iTunes video)
* PDF (Mac OS X)
* Photoshop*
* PICS
* PICT
* PLS
* PNG
* Quartz Composer Composition (Mac OS X)
* QCP (Mac OS 9 & Windows)
* QuickTime Image File
* QuickTime Movie
* SD2 (Mac OS 9 & Windows)
* SDP
* SDV
* SF2 (SoundFont 2)
* SGI
* SMIL
* System 7 Sound (Mac OS 9)
* Targa
* Text
* TIFF*
* TIFF Fax
* VDU (Sony Video Disk Unit)
* Virtual Reality (VR)
* Wave
SuezanneC Baskerville
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10-20-2006 23:28
To bad we can't use the quicktime viewer on a hud, or just a quicktime viewer panel. No need to make a hud out of it. Eliminate the connection between shareable media access and parcel ownership.

Folks who wanted to watch a movie or listen to an mp3 together could do so with their huds or media viewer panels, providing the MST3K style commentary in a group chat instead of having to be in the same parcel
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Nargus Asturias
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10-20-2006 23:30
From: Aliasi Stonebender
hey, guess what, you CAN!

Quicktime plays Flash!

No interactivity, mind you.


Well..I still can't play QuickTime anyway. It crash SL everytime I try to start it. I heard it's related to the latest QuickTime incompatible with SL client or something. And I'm not going to downgrade my QuickTime viewer just so I can view it in SL.
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Draco18s Majestic
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10-22-2006 09:22
I don't think I've gotten QT videos to play either. It just fails, always has.
Argent Stonecutter
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10-22-2006 11:56
From: Aliasi Stonebender
hey, guess what, you CAN!

Quicktime plays Flash!
Quicktime is limited to one stream per client and one stream per parcel. Thankfully.
Aliasi Stonebender
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10-22-2006 12:37
From: Argent Stonecutter
Quicktime is limited to one stream per client and one stream per parcel. Thankfully.


Yeah, but there's a fair difference between "You can't do it at all" and "You can do it, with some caveats". We use the ability of Quicktime to show PNGs to make a "now playing" marquee in Suffugium, for example.
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-22-2006 17:06
From: Aliasi Stonebender
Yeah, but there's a fair difference between "You can't do it at all" and "You can do it, with some caveats". We use the ability of Quicktime to show PNGs to make a "now playing" marquee in Suffugium, for example.
First of all, I approve of this technique. It's so restricted that it makes the nightmare situation that the original message implied impossible. Hence "thankfully".

But I'm pretty sure that what you're doing is not what the original poster was talking about at all.
From: Seven Overdrive
Having the ability to place flash animations on prims would really be a nice feature to have for content creators.
This sounds like the idea is that the animation would be applied to a portable object... something you could buy, for example... not that you'd apply the media texture to the object and then set the parcel's video URL to the location of the animation. Sure, if they want to used a single flash animation in a build (and don't care how many people can't see it, nor whether it flickers in and out as you cross parcel boundaries), they've got a solution.
Kyrah Abattoir
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10-22-2006 17:10
id software has a pretty nifty texture mapped interfaces for digicodes and control pannels, would be nice to have that in sl, kind of simplified html or something
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10-23-2006 00:05
From: Argent Stonecutter

But I'm pretty sure that what you're doing is not what the original poster was talking about at all.
This sounds like the idea is that the animation would be applied to a portable object... something you could buy, for example... not that you'd apply the media texture to the object and then set the parcel's video URL to the location of the animation. Sure, if they want to used a single flash animation in a build (and don't care how many people can't see it, nor whether it flickers in and out as you cross parcel boundaries), they've got a solution.


Oh, true, but the technique would be similar. Nakama uses another elegant solution by having a single movie that is actually several spliced together, and texture offsets so only one shows on any given 'screen'.

I think you could do something like what they want, but (as mentioned) not in a way conductive to a possible 'nightmare scenario'. And if that's what they want, I'm nor really crying about it. ;)
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10-23-2006 15:06
From: Kyrah Abattoir
id software has a pretty nifty texture mapped interfaces for digicodes and control pannels, would be nice to have that in sl, kind of simplified html or something
I would like to at least have a built-in version of XYtext.
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llRenderText("Status: Normal",FONT_VERDANA,<0,1,0>,<0.25,0.25,0.05>,0);

this would attach the parameters to the prim, like particle systems or set text, and the client would bake a local-only texture that combined the texture on face 0 with the text "Status: Normal" in green, 5% of the texture height and offset 25% of the way in from the upper right corner... and use that on face 0.
Nargus Asturias
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10-23-2006 19:15
That would be the function I'd love most.
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Yumi Murakami
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10-23-2006 20:58
AFAIK, interactive Flash on a prim is the current "sticking point" for uBrowser. If you can solve it, you get a free island for a year. :)

And yes that means that if/when HTML on a prim comes, it will support interactive Flash :)
Argent Stonecutter
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10-24-2006 16:41
From: Yumi Murakami
AFAIK, interactive Flash on a prim is the current "sticking point" for uBrowser. If you can solve it, you get a free island for a year. :)
I hope that nobody ever wins this prize, and that HTML on a prim remains stuck forever.
Kyrah Abattoir
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10-24-2006 19:22
From: Argent Stonecutter
I hope that nobody ever wins this prize, and that HTML on a prim remains stuck forever.


i am suprised LL didn't see the there.com's system of "proximity loading", like only the 3 closest html pannel get displayed or something like this.
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Kalemika Dougall
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10-25-2006 09:18
Well, I mean, I'm pretty sure we DO proximity loading in a sense.
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