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Argent Stonecutter
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12-06-2008 18:04
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12-07-2008 02:08
You left out a "probably" in that sentence. The issue isn't whether they test viewers for Windows 2000 compatibility, it's whether they fix bugs reported with Windows 2000. Nope i didn't, the orginal poster was sure about it. According to him there won't be any W2k specific bugs that don't show in XP anyway, so no point reporting them seperately. _____________________
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12-07-2008 02:52
According to him there won't be any W2k specific bugs that don't show in XP anyway, so no point reporting them seperately. _____________________
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12-07-2008 12:14
I would say keep it, I do something have to fall back to that hd when I corrupt xp.
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Baloo Uriza
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12-07-2008 12:49
I would say keep it, I do something have to fall back to that hd when I corrupt xp. Notice that the Lindens have mentioned up-thread that dropping support for 2000 wouldn't necessarily make SL incompatible with 2000, just that they would not be taking paid coders away from focusing on more popular platforms to ensure everything works in 2000. |
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12-07-2008 14:16
Notice that the Lindens have mentioned up-thread that dropping support for 2000 wouldn't necessarily make SL incompatible with 2000, just that they would not be taking paid coders away from focusing on more popular platforms to ensure everything works in 2000. It's the bit where they won't fix it if it breaks on 2000. THAT part is a real problem. _____________________
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Sabastian Braveheart
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W 2000
12-07-2008 14:35
Yeah, move on.
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Baloo Uriza
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12-07-2008 16:16
Again, that's not the part that we're concerned about. It's the bit where they won't fix it if it breaks on 2000. THAT part is a real problem. I don't see the point in keeping official 2000 support around given that Quicktime on that platform's a year out of date with no recourse for the bug, first off. Second, as was already pointed out, W2000 users are in the desperate minority. Third, W2000 users have the hardware to run Linux, and W2000 works marvelously inside Virtualbox... |
Torin Kahanamoku
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Down with WIN 2K
12-07-2008 16:33
I do not know anyone who uses Windows 2000. I give support for WIN 2K a big Thumbs Down!
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Jenrose Meredith
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12-07-2008 23:15
If it stopped working on Win2k, my sister would no longer be able to log in. However, she's still using a hacked old viewer, so as long as the server won't balk, and it's not refusing the old viewer, then no big.
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Argent Stonecutter
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12-08-2008 02:37
I don't see the point in keeping official 2000 support around given that Quicktime on that platform's a year out of date with no recourse for the bug, first off. Second, as was already pointed out, W2000 users are in the desperate minority. Third, W2000 users have the hardware to run Linux, _____________________
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Milla Janick
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12-08-2008 06:53
That's another advantage of Windows 2000, people won't be tempted to turn streaming video on because it doesn't work. Then you'll get a whole lot more advantages when SL stops working on Windows 2000. Features not working is an advantage? Not in my book. Whether or not Windows 2000 is the best version of Windows is debatable. It may be for you, but it certainly isn't for most people. In any case, I haven't seen the Lindens, or anyone else, present any compelling evidence that support for it should be dropped. _____________________
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12-08-2008 07:22
Features not working is an advantage? In addition, Quicktime doesn't work in Linux. Should Linden Labs abandon that? I certainly don't think so. Whether or not Windows 2000 is the best version of Windows is debatable. It may be for you, but it certainly isn't for most people. _____________________
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Milla Janick
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12-08-2008 07:33
In addition, Quicktime doesn't work in Linux. Should Linden Labs abandon that? Only if it really, really upsets Baloo. _____________________
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Destiny Niles
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12-08-2008 07:53
I agree with
... so as long as the server won't balk, and it's not refusing the old viewer, then no big. And should Win 2000 be on longer supported. But some other features in should be dropped also. The damage system has long fallen into disuse by the residents and serves no function. Either revamp it or drop it. |
Baloo Uriza
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12-08-2008 11:47
If they dropped Windows support, Baloo wouldn't have anything to post about in the forums. That's not true; more like the Windows bigots wouldn't have any recourse for their moronics. |
Argent Stonecutter
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12-08-2008 12:19
That's not true; more like the Windows bigots wouldn't have any recourse for their moronics. _____________________
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Baloo Uriza
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12-08-2008 12:25
I've been accused of being a Mac Fanboy a few times (and a Mac hater almost as often), but I don't recall EVER being called a Windows bigot before. You might want to read again; I wasn't accusing you of being one, Argent. I was referring to the person who shot the ad hominem that all I do is complain about Windows, never mind I'm only pointing out other available options when there is no such option available on Windows (an ongoing example: Windows doesn't have any drivers that support vertex buffer objects for quite a few ATI Radeon models, but Linux does. The two possible fixes are "well don't use VBO then" or "Try the Linux version, ATI hasn't put out a decent Windows driver since the early 1990s" ![]() |
Argent Stonecutter
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12-08-2008 12:39
You might want to read again; I wasn't accusing you of being one, Argent. I was referring to the person who shot the ad hominem that all I do is complain about Windows, The two possible fixes are "well don't use VBO then" or "Try the Linux version, ATI hasn't put out a decent Windows driver since the early 1990s" ![]() _____________________
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Garry Linden
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Win2k
12-08-2008 12:41
Garry (and everybody else for that matter), for continuity's sake, could you please click the Quote button on the message you're replying to? When you click on some random Quote button elsewhere to reply, instead of the one on the message you're replying to, you're breaking the thread and making it hard to tell what you're replying to. Hi Baloo, I was more replying to the thread in General. This response was not for one single quote, sorry for the confusion. Hi Everybody, so after reading the history of this thread it would appear so far that we are more or less ok with the ending of Win2k support. I understand the position of holdouts and there is a decent case to be made for their preferred OS, but I would like to mention again that this does not mean Win2k will stop working with SL. The fact of the matter is that Win2k QA is done at the expense of QA time spent elsewhere and Win2k represents less than a percent of our active users. We basically just need to put our Lindens to work on support that affects more of our active resident population. Thanks for all the responses! |
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12-08-2008 12:45
Garry: we're not concerned about your QA process, we're concerned about what you're going to do if you run into some glitch that tickles Windows 2000 the wrong way and it's discovered by users or SLDev. Fixing these kinds of things is not likely to be expensive, but not doing so is likely to have more of an impact on scripters and other technical types.
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12-08-2008 12:49
Garry: we're not concerned about your QA process, we're concerned about what you're going to do if you run into some glitch that tickles Windows 2000 the wrong way and it's discovered by users or SLDev. Fixing these kinds of things is not likely to be expensive, but not doing so is likely to have more of an impact on scripters and other technical types. Given that the SL viewer is also an open source project, I would imagine a Windows 2000 user affected would be more than welcome to submit a patch to fix it via the JIRA. LR just wouldn't be throwing good money after bad when it comes to paying employees to work on the viewer. |
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12-08-2008 12:55
Given that the SL viewer is also an open source project, I would imagine a Windows 2000 user affected would be more than welcome to submit a patch to fix it via the JIRA. Given the fate of some other JIRA entries, I'm not at all inclined to take that on faith. _____________________
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Phantom Ninetails
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12-08-2008 13:02
Hi Everybody, so after reading the history of this thread it would appear so far that we are more or less ok with the ending of Win2k support. Wait, seriously? Did you read the thread? The vast majority of people who voted against Windows 2000 quite obviously don't even have any knowledge about the operating system, and in many cases seem to equate it to Windows ME. And there's alot of people who voted FOR Windows 2000. |
Milla Janick
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12-08-2008 13:32
In order to upgrade to XP, I would have to jump through some hoops, since XP isn't really sold anymore. Either I would have to find a small computer store that happens to have one in their stock (either installed or in shrink-wrap) or buy Vista and use downgrade rights. And since my computer can't possibly run Vista (it does run Second Life though), upgrading to Vista isn't an option. I saw dozens of copies of XP at the local Best Buy and Office Max stores last weekend. It's still available through Newegg, and probably every other e-tailer in the world. It's still very easy to find a copy. _____________________
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