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Allow Avatar's to be shorter

Lyrak Sleeper
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Join date: 10 Jan 2006
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06-08-2006 05:44
More than this, what I want is for leg sliders to be allowed to go shorter so that you don't have to have arms at their longest to match legs at their shortest when working with quadruped avatars. Though being able to go shorter in general for that might make things more warpable in that fashion.
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Ziggy Tandino
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Join date: 20 Apr 2006
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06-09-2006 15:39
Yargh, the character I was going to base my second life on is a little over one and a half feet tall... This kind of thing is pretty much the difference between me living a dream or having it crushed o_o
paulie Femto
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06-09-2006 16:19
From: someone
Originally Posted by Random Linden
Here are the Linden notes: We did not allow the avatars to be shorter through the sliders to avoid the creation of child avatars, which we still believe to be a valid concern.


Sure, child size avatars are already possible with some creative work. I suspect, however, that Linden Lab has consulted their legal department and been told that there is a difference between users "bending the system" to create child AVs and Linden Lab OFFERING THE USE OF CHILD AVs (through their avatar creation system.)

Can you see the stories on the nightly news already ? "Don't miss our exclusive report on ONLINE PREDATORS! Our tech reporter, Billy Batson, will show you how the online game SECOND LIFE helps pedophiles to create "virtual friends" that are LURING CHILDREN TO THEIR DOOM! Stay tuned!"
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Comrade Podolsky
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06-09-2006 16:21
I agree, even though I would not use this feature, it would be technically correct to allow size-shape limits based on world records, not world averages.
Rickard Roentgen
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06-09-2006 16:39
From: paulie Femto
Sure, child size avatars are already possible with some creative work. I suspect, however, that Linden Lab has consulted their legal department and been told that there is a difference between users "bending the system" to create child AVs and Linden Lab OFFERING THE USE OF CHILD AVs (through their avatar creation system.)

Can you see the stories on the nightly news already ? "Don't miss our exclusive report on ONLINE PREDATORS! Our tech reporter, Billy Batson, will show you how the online game SECOND LIFE helps pedophiles to create "virtual friends" that are LURING CHILDREN TO THEIR DOOM! Stay tuned!"


not to bring two arguments together, but the lindens apparently don't care that much about real kids in sl, they've removed any possible form of verification... so what's the big deal with small avatars? Hell write it into the tos that depicting sexual acts with children is strictly forbidden, then let people report the hell out of them :P. At least this one's pretty easy to prove with a screenshot or a quick linden call to catch them in the act.
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Angel Fluffy
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06-10-2006 09:57
From: paulie Femto
Sure, child size avatars are already possible with some creative work.


Why does everyone think of small avs as child size, anyway?
There is much more to being a child then simply being the smaller version of an adult. There is much more to being a child then simply the clothes you wear, or even your behaviour.
Childishness is an internal mental state, which is why so many people retain parts of it into their adult lives. It's correlated to your physical size simply as physical size correlates to age early in life as it depends on the time you've had to grow.

What about all the people who want small ADULT avs?
For example... all the people who want prim avs. All the people who want dwarf avs, or avs for fantasy characters (robots, for example) which are definately not in any sense 'children', but which have to be small?

What about fairies? Or, say a "mini-me" av from Austin Powers?

C'mon people.... having small avs might support the possible creation of 'child' avs, but I imagine that the number of people using the small height option for fantasy avs like robots, dwarves, fairies, mini-me clones, etc would far outnumber the child avs.

Heck, the last time I saw a tiny av, it was a little dragon... no anthropormophism.... just a realistic, but very small dragon. Given that dragons come in all shapes and sizes, it is of course reasonable to suppose there might be very, very small ones. Heck, with the physics of weight vs wingspan needed for them to fly, actually, the smaller ones make more sense (which is why you get a lot more large land and sea animals then you get large birds).

So yeah, small avs are just that - small avs. They are not simply 'child avs' and if you try to reduce them to 'child-friendly avs' you are missing the mass market for small avs which lies in other applications.
Cyall Akula
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06-10-2006 21:01
Anyone who argues that shrinking avatars will allow them to appear as children is ignoring the already large scope for creating child avatars with the existing sliders. There are some very realistic child avatars out there, (one might say distubingly realistic depending on your perspective), and allowing the 2-foot to 4-foot range is not going to change anything about what must already be taking place in SL. All the sickos have to do is ignore a small scale discrepancy.

Disturbing arguments aside, I'm one of the pixies Wayfinder refers to & I'm already renting a lot more land than most full-sized avatars. I'd like to be 6 3/4 inches tall, that was my original intention in SL, and one I'd still like to achieve.
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Lyrak Sleeper
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06-12-2006 17:59
From: paulie Femto
Sure, child size avatars are already possible with some creative work. I suspect, however, that Linden Lab has consulted their legal department and been told that there is a difference between users "bending the system" to create child AVs and Linden Lab OFFERING THE USE OF CHILD AVs (through their avatar creation system.)

Can you see the stories on the nightly news already ? "Don't miss our exclusive report on ONLINE PREDATORS! Our tech reporter, Billy Batson, will show you how the online game SECOND LIFE helps pedophiles to create "virtual friends" that are LURING CHILDREN TO THEIR DOOM! Stay tuned!"


I already see child avs anyway... x.x It's kinda creepy...
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Lyrak Sleeper
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Lyrak Sleeper
Big Bad Wolf
Join date: 10 Jan 2006
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06-12-2006 18:04
From: Cyall Akula
Anyone who argues that shrinking avatars will allow them to appear as children is ignoring the already large scope for creating child avatars with the existing sliders. There are some very realistic child avatars out there, (one might say distubingly realistic depending on your perspective), and allowing the 2-foot to 4-foot range is not going to change anything about what must already be taking place in SL. All the sickos have to do is ignore a small scale discrepancy.

Disturbing arguments aside, I'm one of the pixies Wayfinder refers to & I'm already renting a lot more land than most full-sized avatars. I'd like to be 6 3/4 inches tall, that was my original intention in SL, and one I'd still like to achieve.


I know you!!! I remember seeing the pixie av. ^^ That was pretty cool, even if it was a rather humongous pixie, considering their usual size.

Another concern people probably have is not being able to see avs, but if nametags are turned on, that shouldn't be an issue. And less obtrusive than some of the humongous things I've seen (and one of the humongous things I have.... very much an outdoor avatar).

*ahem* Ramble. Anyway.....
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Argent Stonecutter
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06-13-2006 12:22
From: Wayfinder Wishbringer
Some have said, "But if we allow smaller avatars, Linden Lab wouldn't sell as much land because you could make houses and everything smaller."
You'd still need the land for the prims, even if they're tiny prims. :)
Fae Jarrico
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06-15-2006 21:04
From: AcidRaven Harrington
Ok what happened, if this was an issue should it not have been done in the beginning before linden's started this thread. instead of it taking a full year to be taken down and told, and I quote from the e-mail I got about it being removed.

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Here are the Linden notes: We did not allow the avatars to be shorter through the sliders to avoid the creation of child avatars, which we still believe to be a valid concern.
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This seems like a pretty lame excuse for removing this vote. There's already child av's on sl. If they were really worried about child av's why did they put a Little Red Riding Hood av in the Library* folder in your inventory? While it isn't as small as you can make an av, it definitely looks like a child.

* The Library folder is that little folder above your Inventory folder where the Lindens give you all kinds of neat freebies to start out your Second Life.
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