Unfair Practices at the Lab

Hmm, While it would be fun to derail this thread as this person wishes to have happen, I would ask everyone not to fall for that. This is too important to allow that to happen. I appreciate those defending my right to have my say on my own blog. That's why I posted it there, I knew any attempt at civil debate here wouldn't last long.

I have noticed people keep bringing up the two terms 'ban' and 'suspension'. I would maintain there is no difference, it's just splitting hairs. A 'suspension' is nothing more than a ban which is reversed.

And yes, in every case where I have known people who LL has banned, they indeed disappear from the search immediately. In fact last week, after banning some griefers from my estate, one of them vanished scarcely 20 seconds after my ban was enacted! This was in no doubt due to another automated process which LL has talked more openly about, they watch for ARs, sim bans, etc and when a certain threshold is reached, the ban is effected. I guess I pushed that poor griefer over his limit.

I think somebody forgot take dey medication Wilde ...

Nice attempt at changing the focus from the topic (which is critically important) to some sort of distracted attempt at personality bashing.

Whatever personal issue you have with the original poster, please take it elsewhere; this topic is far too important to be allowing it reduced to flame wars.

I had no personal issue with the blogger until their post here -- never met him/her/it, and hopefully never will.

My point is on topic, I'm saying "The Emperor (that would be Darien) has no clothes", which is derailed as personal attack etc. Why is it ok for Darien to state publicly that Linden Labs are thieves and stole money with no proof, but it is not ok to say that Darien's blog post is unsupported and vague -- i.e., would be rejected by any news organization, or any thoughtful readership?

Hypocracy abounds here, for some reason people like a double standard that will apply one set of rules to Linden Labs (allowing scornful accusations), but another set of rules to Darien, who apparently is above critique. Wake up people!

If I said Darien is a thief, don't trust him/her/it, they steal money and use copybot to steal items for sale -- all without offering solid proof -- on my blog and linked it to here, would that be ok? If you answer "no", then not using the same standard for LL is hypocritical.

And my opinion, the answer is "hell no it wouldn't be right", which is why twaddle like Darien's must be called out as twaddle.

Hey all,

I wanted to post a quick reply for 2 reasons.

1. I am the person Darien is referring to in this post. As far as the issue being "fake," as i've read in some replies here...it is not. I tried to login one day and got a message saying "you cannot be logged in, etc. please refer to the website for more info." I went to the website and could not access anything, all it said was "if you're having problems logging in, call this number." So i did that...and what did they say, after waiting on hold for a half hour? Right... "sorry, we cannot address those issues here, we only deal with billing."

Anyway...i'm not going to get into huge detail here...i am writing because, although i don't know Darien THAT well (i mean, other than intimately, of course...hah...) i basically reached out to her for help when i realized something was wrong and she did A LOT to help me...and i am not ok with some moron posting nasty replies to a good person who went out of her way to help someone she barely knows.


2. More importantly...what do you do if this happens to you? Well, after a few days of phonecalls and getting pushed around, i had enough...i called and bitched at some poor woman on the phone and was given a direct number for the review team who handles this specific issue. 800-860-6990. I called and in 5 minutes i was back online (without the transfered money, which they decided to keep as an "assessment," in her words). Anyway, that's all i'm saying...thanks to those who helped and thanks to Dari

well as you can see, Angriff is back, but the issues remain. Details on my twaddle filled blog.

Changes nothing: accusing LL of "stealing money" is wrong, and why anyone would believe Darien/Angriff, anonymous blogger/posters over LL is a mystery, but that is the bandwagon mentality. I call B.S., and maintain that the blog post is garbage, with no merit.

Why don't you want this to be discussed? It's a big issue.

Are you a mentor or a moderator?

To bad you don't have a filter for your filthy mouth.

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Funny thing happened while I was reading the LL blog this morning. I noticed a link back to the SLUniverse site. To my suprize it was a poll asking if they should gang up on someone here. Something oh I don't know perhaps an instinctive need to do the right thing made me come to the forums. Anyways I think those kinds childish acts are pathetic but it sure speaks volumns when they openly discus it and take a poll.

Are these adults? I think LL should be asking for some proof.

As seen on the LL blog

Cat

Funny thing happened while I was reading the LL blog this morning. I noticed a link back to the SLUniverse site. To my suprise it was a poll asking if they should gang up on someone in this thread. Something oh I don't know perhaps an instinctive need to do the right thing; made me come to the forums.


http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/10472-potential-forum-drama-should-we-do.html#post222130


Cat

Would you like a pot and a stick for that shit you just dropped?

The poll is about whether one person's part in a discussion already under way should be discussed, because yanno, the discussion is missing an angle without it, but there is a policy not to discuss that person for numerous reasons. One is because of the amateur dramatics that tend to break out when they post; another is out of respect because they cannot post there. (Ie. It's not nice to talk about people who are unable to respond.)

I doubt the moderator would approve anyway, but don't let that get in the way of your fun. I'm not sure if the OP means to point people in another (non SLU) direction anyway.

Angriff, glad to see you're back.

Yes, but you'll note... WITHOUT the money they transferred. LL just kept that. Which DOES make them thieves.

LOL! Sounds like a lot of work to not click on a link.

I meant warning that this was the new policy. Not individual warning of each instance.


If you make policy changes that have a serious potential to affect peoples standard SL practices (Such as transferring Lindens to Alts) you should warn people first of a new policy change.

/me munches the popcorn.

This thread has it all. Sadly. Amazing how disruptive one person who's averaged, what, 20 posts a year until this, can be. Axe to grind?



Is this a short term thing, or is the money *gone*?

I think it's safe to say LL won't be giving it back.

I am *absolutely certain* they will restore the money *if* Angriff did nothing wrong in obtaining it. Unpopular opinion I know.

Perhaps because LL routinely lies to us about [Resolved] issues, closes JIRA entries as completed when they aren't, spews lawyerspeak at us in blogs, claims to be DCMA complant, but ignores DCMA notices (about 50/50 according to forum posts), and getting them to own up to and fix their mistakes is a crapshoot....can take 5 minutes or 5 DAYS, depending on which Llinden you get on the phone and (apparently phase of the moon as well). In general, the Lab has about as much a reputatation for truthfulness and integrity (to non-LL A**kissers) as a politician making promises at election time.

You can call it without merit, and stay vacuum-attached to the corporate posterior like a good little 'consumer', but the rest of us will weigh LL's past actions and unfulfilled promises into decisions about integrity and whom to believe. Darien and his buddy have not lied to me....LL has, multiple times.

Fixed.

I realize saying I trust LL MORE than Angriff or Darien *might* label me an a**kisser, but that because those making the label fail to understand what I've said.

So, with the many failures of LL, DO YOU BELIEVE THEY *STEAL* MONEY OR NOT?

If you do, get the f**k out of Second Life, you have no credibility because you still have an account with liars and thieves.

Or, if you are like me, and believe LL is doing their best to run an honest business, you realize what s**t Darien is writing.

I can't explain it more/better. You either understand the concepts here or you don't (you either have common sense, or you don't).