Bogus Camping

Yeah, they're almost as bad as crazed street people who come up to you and start ranting and asking stupid questions. It's best just to walk away, IMO.

If you're determined to compare SL to Google then AdWords translates to the classifieds and traffic translates to page rank.

There's a number of ways to artificially inflate your page rank to rise up the regular search results, most of which are condemned by the community and just used by unscrupulous.

Most people aren't interested in making money on things that are widely frowned upon or outright destructive.

If there was no selfish benefit from increased traffic, very few - if any - would have a camping chair out which dismisses the whole "but we want to help newbies" fiction.

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To the OP: You went in fully aware of the risk that some camping chairs don't pay out, but you choose to waste your time on it anyway. There's no reasonable expectation to complain about not getting "free money".

What does this have to do with "Resident-Run Websites"?

LMFAO hahahahahah

Thanks, great way to end a Friday.

Cheers

Indeed, that is also sleazy.

I quite agree with all of this. I myself have a simple game by my shop to entertain the bored (it doesn't pay any money, but it passes the time) not to fake traffic, just to perhaps provide a little fun. And it is a problem that new residents don't feel that they can participate in the economy of SL. I don't criticise campers themselves, but I do explain exactly how the system works to new residents that I meet if they mention it, pointing out the inherent "pollution" that occurs in crowded sims and the effect on search results.

Yes I use to camp too as newbie and I found it very annoying too. I personaly think you shoud name those names, because it's not fair to cheat like this, but firs I would IM the owner, in case he dont know there is problem with his camping chair. I have recently put one camping device in my shop and as it was my first time I wasnt sure if its working ok. So I was IMing the campers if they had any problem.

Love the Starbucks line! ROFL Just for the record, I don't do coffee at all. I used to camp, still do occasionally. I think the misconception comes from people thinking that SL is the way to become financially stable. Sometimes I think people get too wrapped up in trying to make money and forget that SL really is for fun.... well to me it is. But then again, making clothes is fun for me.

To each his own said the man as he kissed the cow.

Gaming traffic may be legal, but it's not universally ethical. If you want more exposure place a higher priced classifieds ad, gaming traffic is deceptive at best.

They're both forms of camping, the latter just happens to be at no cost. There's really no difference between a horde of zombie campers or a bot farm.

If anything the bots will create less unnecessary stress on the grid infrastructure than the campers would if they're true bots so if you have to defend artifical traffic inflation, promote bots as the lesser of two evils.

"Most" implies the existance of a minority that does things difference so the existance of people who do hurt the community doesn't really change what I said.

As far as BDSM and other kinks (the ones that aren't expressly illegal in a virtual world) are concerned. Whether or not you agree with them, they're legitimate and *active* use of the platform. Campers are a drain no matter how much you try to turn and twist the arguement, they're passive resource hogs.

You're trying to twist things around again. The issue isn't advertising, it's stooping to use deceptive tactics to promote your (general sense) business.

Plenty of businesses who use deceptive advertising techniques or campaigns get condemned in RL, it's no different in SL.

This thread does not seem to involve someone announcing their resident run SL themed web site.

forums.secondlife.com/report.php?p=1746783

I couldn't find a section for "Scams".

Mostly those that camp don`t spend they cashout. They go thur all sort of lies to say they are AFK ( example I speak only japanese I am sorry or i speak only little english ) frankly speaking this insulting. The level of these money hunters will go through just to camp for a 0.40 for hours.

I think it's mostly just down to human greed as usual.

Second Life is all too often advertised as a place to "make money" ... without promoting the fact you can actually have fun here doing stuff that doesnt involve money whatsoever.

I see the same in WoW... people buy money (which there is against the ToS) because they can't be bothered to put in the hours making it to get the 'uber 1337' gear that they want.

I just don't understand the point of leaving your computer on burning up electricity for hours on end to make a few L$ when you can get more L$ by spending just the cost of a coffee on a credit card.

SL is not light on computer specs. If you can afford a $1000 computer, and $50 a month for the high speed internet connection, then I really don't see that $5 is much of a problem - and if it is, surely the hours spent in SL might be better used getting a second job or something in real life that pays better? I mean... a paper round pays better than camping.

I too am one of those who goes somewhere else whenever I see camping or some other lame device. I buy based on the quality of the goods on offer, and if I have to tp to half a dozen places over 10 minutes looking until I decide, it's hardly the end of the world... thus traffic really makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to me when it comes to purchases. Anyone who's been here any time will know that traffic is a worthless indicator, so if we can educate the newbies about it, then maybe we'll see camping drop.

Unless, of course, the easier option is to just get Linden Lab to remove traffic from factoring into "Search".

Broccoli

hence why all the dead money making islands. Nothing ever productive ever comes of these users. ANd No they don`t put money back in the eco. They just cash out.




I don`t know how much these people are spending for electirc bills ( If not in a dorm, school housing, living with parents etc ). But if i play over my time on sl. My electric bill shows it. ( for the child who once said " I only pay 25.00 a month for 2 story home. bla bla bla. I think she either have her mother pay her bills or get money back from the goverment for some odd reason) this case doesnt not apply in the real world.



wow this is very intersting these same people by quad core cpus, with a powerful graphic cards for what? so they can sit 5 or more avies for 24 hour making what 3.50/per avie a 24 hours? priceless.

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Broccoli, you always have intersting posting or replies.........If i could quote you and don`t mind.....Thank you for letting me.

Usagi

Where is this 3.50 a day camping place?

The best I ever seen paid out about 1.50 a day; and those disappeared with the casinos

Hey I found one once that was close to $5 a day. I only stayed a few hours and it payed well for those few hours but the casino went out of business after a few days. I've always thought that camp chairs should be reconfigured to look like you were flipping burgers. Minimum wage in a minimum second life.

A couple of months ago, one government's tourism office was paying campers 10L for 5 minutes, so that kind of amount was definitely possible there. Of course, this was the usual corporate SL attempt, so as soon as the launch was over and they pulled the camping, the sim was deserted and seems to have stayed that way. There really isn't anything to do there.

Kitty

With all due respect, I do believe we may have to agree to disagree. While you may believe I am trying to spin my way; I believe you are trying to spin your way and thats fine. And while you twist one way, I twist another and there is no resolve for the diametrically opposed. Hope you have a good day and cheers.


CC

To help you understand why some people have their computers on 24/7 (that some people includes me anyhow). I have a disability and can't work. I don't get out much, so my social life is basically all online. Although I'm not always in SL, I do a lot of other things too, my computer is only shut off periodically - to clear it.

I've also seen much debate on which is better for your cpu power source, turning it off and on all the time, or just leaving it running.

I never look at traffic when I go someplace. Ok, well not exactly. Sometimes I do look at traffic, and I go to the places that show the least traffic. I've always believed in supporting the "little guy" in RL, and I guess I do it in SL too (when I'm shopping).

While we're on a roll - guess this somewhat relates to traffic - what's the point of the green voting stands I see everywhere?

Human greed... I'm afraid I see it as less superficial than that. Greed really might not be a fair term as I'd wager the vast majority of new sign ups have no idea what they are in for. I didn't.

I've said this in numerous other posts and I'll say it again that it is the 'nature of SL' that must be blamed that many new people feel the need to camp. You come in to a world, after signing up for a 'free' account, allowed to look like one of 5 reject avatars either male or female. You walk around places like Help Island with other reject looking avatars confused as to what you are supposed to be doing and how you are to do it. You're given notecards on 'how to make money' in SL to help you along your journey and you look up in the upper right corner of your screen and you find $0 sitting there (sigh).

Out now in the 'real' virtual world you now are finding youself surrounded by an insane number of malls selling anything and everything under the sun. Better hair, nicer clothing, shoes, skins, shapes etc... most of which look far better than anything you're wearing as a newbie... and you've now seen at least 20 other avatars and 19 of them are wearing the super cool looking skins and clothes.. what are you going to do? "Wow that dress looks pretty but OMG its $300L's and the upper right of my screen still shows $0. $2000L's for a skin?? How the hell will I ever afford that?!? I guess I better find a way to make money".

Ok so here I am a couple days old and I can't buy squat, and I might not remember the tutorial on orientation island on how to search through job classifieds, but even if I do I see 'dancers and escorts and hosts and.... 'a minimum of 30 days in the game and you must have a decent skin/shape 'look' to be considered' but our little newbie doesn't have the cash to buy any of that... and they might not be willing, or more accurately might not know, to click the little $ sign on their screen to buy some L's using a real world currency exchange. 'Have you thought about camping?' someone offers to said newbie who is now walking around a sim asking others how they can make some $. Camping huh? 'You mean I can dance on round spot in a hut and make $2 for every 10 minutes my avi does this? for free?"... 'Yeah, ok, I guess I can do that... I mean how ELSE am I going to get $ to buy the cool hair and the better clothing to look like these amazing looking avatars on the SL.com's webpage'.

I could go on and on but even I bore myself trying to make it an interesting read that hopefully makes a point... Camping is really very simple: It is a method in which land owners can get people to their locations yes. It is also a way for any user to earn a small amount of $L's. There are, without question, people on both sides of the camp pad who can and do take advantage of the system... because they CAN. And no one has to like it... just like I can't stand telemarketers trying to call me during dinner or the panhandlers on 3 of the 5 street corners asking me for handouts on my walk to and from work. Whether you think someone is unethically 'gaming the system' or not is a moot point so long as its allowed. If you personally detest those who use them so be it... its irrelevant. You want to leave a mall that has set up camping location in your own protest? As long as it makes you happy.

To the OP I agree to IM the owners of the location to make them aware their pads are not paying. I'm guessing some know and I'm guessing others do not. Spmeone else said it earlier and I agree... If you chose to camp you do so with an amount of assumed risk. Intentional or not SL is not perfect and you run the risk of not getting paid, no matter how honorable the camp owner may be.

Little blue round "L$" button, top right of screen... easiest and most efficient way there is.

Broccoli

Well... at least you read 'some of my post'.



I didn't know what that button did for weeks... I've talked to others who didn't either. Easiest and most efficient indeed... if you 'know'.

Do newbies really use these things? I don`t even think they knw what they are.

Actually, I think all Camping should be done away with... You want money in SL, get a job like everyone else.. or learn how to build/script. GIVE BACK THE POP LIST TO PEOPLE WHO DESERVE TO BE ON IT!!!!