Bogus Camping

While there are a lot of comments (for and against camping), what about the land owners that advertise camping, but don't have camp chairs, or they have camp chairs, and you camp but after hours, they pay nothing? This seems to be a real scam of the land owners, and I'm finding it more and more prevalent. I could name some names, but that wouldn't be right, but I am making a list now.

If you're going to advertise camping, and an amount, then please don't be a liar! Pay what you say, or remove the camp site.

Whether you're for or against camping, it's time to look at the "other side", the businesses that offer only bogus camping.

Virtually all camping devices exist to cheat on the traffic numbers. You're sorta asking for people who are, almost by definition, liars not to be liars..

I hadn't camped for ages, not since I was a newbie, until the other day. I was looking round a place near where I'd just set up my small parade of roadside shops.

This place looked interesting and there were a couple of camping dance mats so I thought 'what the heck' and stood on one for 10 mins while I sorted inventory or something.

Anyway, after 12 minutes I'd had enough and stepped off the dance mat. It paid no money and there were no messages to explain anything. Of course, the L$ 2 were neither here nor there to me but I was left with the impression that I'd been on a fake camping device that was really no more than a non-paying dance mat!

Yeah nice well thought out and intelligent response there Meade. You managed to not answer her question and inflict us with your opinion. How noble.

Olivia -- I agree and have noticed the same thing myself. One of the biggest offenders appeat to be the btCampers (towel, chair) and the Fusion camping systems. The bt's appear to be thrown together with open source scripts by folks who do not understand permissions and cant build worth a crap.

The Fusion chairs do not indicate their status, on or off. I see a lot of them out there with people sitting on them making zero dollars.

Try this -- let a chair go through on cycle, first(eg 2/10, 1/5) -- the stand and sit again to see if you get paid. Thats about the best advice I can tell you.

Thanks!

I'm not sure that calling people who have camping chairs "liars" is an opinion, though. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

Well it's not to defend the camping chair owners, I've expressed my thoughts in another threads, but if the sim is very laggy (for instance because of the crowd) it can happen that payment and scripts fail.

So they might not pay you but it's not intentional.

Well if you're not sure, keep it to yourself then. And, is it that you are clear cut about being not sure?

No, I won't keep it to myself. Who are you, the camping protection police?

If you're having problems with english comprehension and need help - and that's fine as many don't speak it as their first language - you'd get better results without the snide remarks.

Looks like you need the help with the basic language skills -- its got nothing to do with English -- it basic grammatical structure that applies to all languages is where you confuse th readers. I guess if you weren't so quick to pull the trigger and actually put together a comprehensive thought...it might make a difference.

As far as camping protection police goes...No I am not. I offer idiot protection and and trying to save another one from you.

Oh and by the way --- Snide: Slyly Disparaging, Insinuating -- That is what you did in your first post and I merely called you on it.

Ok.. I get it now..

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No, I don't think you do, Meade. This has nothing to do with the fact that I build camping systems. I also build shoes and a variety of other things too. What is your basis Meade? -- I don't see any of your products listed anywhere. I do see a lot of whining posts on various forums though.

It has everything to do with you trying to force your opinion on everyone else without any basis of fact and your inflammatory approach. Tell me....does that make people who use Google adwords, for their webpages, liars also?

You've totally lost it, CCTV. Welcome to my ignore list.

Olivia, it's all totally unregulated and, again, virutally all places that have camping devices are doing it just so that their traffic numbers look better. If you really want to find one that actually pays, the only thing you can do is try it for a short time then jump off to see if it coughs up the L$. Even then, there's no guarantee that it's going to continue to work.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Totally ignored my questions and then gave her the same advice I did. Nice work Meade. Not an original thought whatsoever.

I wonder if maybe we make a list of all the false camping spots, we could do more to make the business people more accountable. I think that would (hopefully) provide a bit of a solution - nothing worse for a business than bad publicity. It's a start anyhow, but can we make a public list?
Thanks

LOL wow.

Maybe proving her/him wrong would have been a good idea. You know with examples of why camping is legit and saying "yes there are many traffic whores using camping for traffic gains" but "such and such reason" out weighs that and thats why I make camping devices.

One reason I used camping devices was to pay my dancers when they worked at my club and give them some reason to stick around when the place is dead in case people showed up. Worked pretty good. The script I used kicked anyone that was not approved. No freeloaders.

Also for not getting paid maybe the owner of the chairs didn't have money to pay out or SL is the problem. Before you go making such a list make sure you contact them and see if they are aware of the problem.

There is an easier way to avoid being caught by a 'bogus' camping chair instead of a 'real' camping chair....

Go without a visit to Starbucks once a month, and drop $10 from your credit card into SL to buy some play money.

Leaves much more time free to enjoy yourself, you still get to buy the things you want, and you aren't contributing to a problem that affects everyone else in that region.

Plus, doing without coffee probably has health benefits too.

All camping chairs are 'bogus' really, because if they aren't lying about what they pay out, they're adding to the lie of increased traffic to make a place look popular.

Broccoli

I don't understand the "lie" part. The camp owners have something on their land that is in demand and attracts people. How is this a lie? I really do not see any difference in people who come to hangout at a location or people who come to camp.

Sure camping is an easy way to attract people to your location, but not every one has the time to run constant events and spam the hell out of people begging them to come either, which IMO is just as bad.

I understand the "lie" concept completely, and agree with it.

They are artificially inflating their traffic to get higher on the searches. Their traffic numbers are blatantly false because the people come there to earn money rather than because they like the club/products/whatever.

I refuse to spend any money on any business that does this for that very reason. It is deceptive, so their business practices start out as appearing sleazy to me from the moment I TP. Dishonest people don't get a $L from me, ever.

Providing an income to noobs who are usually very lost in the world or may have zero skills unlike the "high and mighty" is hardly sleazy.

And so what if they come to earn some spending money rather than waste their time watching their AV dance in a club? not to mention possibly spending that money on someone's created content.

Giving money to new residents is not sleazy. Shoving yourself higher up the search results for your non-camping products (the ones that make you money) is sleazy. Also, having camping in a sim that you share with other people is definitely sleazy.

No different than running a laggy niteclub in a sim that you share with other people either. I personally make zero money on the place I provide for people to enjoy, and I do use a few fishing games that do pay out some L$ and i'm sure the residents that use them do appreciate it. Of course i'm not trying to game the system either, so I can understand the hatred against those that fill their land with campers.

The first question I always get from a new resident is "How do I make money here?". I tell them all their options from camping to learning how to make stuff and sell it. Some seem interested in building, but many others are so bewildered, the only thing they can do is camp.

Even though yours may be advertised as camping devices, I don't think people are talking about this kind of use case when they complain about camping, JayDee..

JayDee -- There was nothing I needed to prove. And, how do you try to reason with an idiot like that, who bursts into the a thread abruptly and rudely.......when all Olivia wanted was a little feedback. He has no basis for argument and then when confronted he got even more belligerent. I put my two cents in because, Yes, I do build them. And Yes, I have experienced what she was talking about. And if you'll notice, I was rather unbiased in my answers to Olivia, neither trying to sell one side or the other. It wasn't until the end of Meade's tirade where it actually came out that I build camping systems. And my answer to that is -- who cares? I gave Olivia the answer she wanted without try to sell anybody on any fact whatsoever. Well except the fact that Meade was just acting like a jerk.

I am just sick of these jerkoffs who bust into a thread to say something ignorant and then can't back up their own opinion or present a good argument. I am a pretty reasonable guy and always listen to both sides of an argument and have squared off with some seriously diametrically opposed individuals in a respectful and intelligent debate ---- Not just *you're a poopoo head!!!!!!*

Cheers people ....... CC

Serenarra -- So are you opposed to Google adwords? If you started an ecommerce site and bet everything you had on this being your business -- or would you use the tools given?

Let me give you a hint -- the internet's traffic system is very similar. the web page owner buys advertising and adwords to bring traffic. Hangs a carrot out there to bring people in. Business is business.

Anyway you look at it -- it promotes brand name identity. There are a lot of places I never would have known about had I not camped in the beginning that I still go back monthly to see what new products are available or if they have done anything to their SIM.

What I find funny -- is that the people most opposed to things like this don't own a shop or design anything and have no idea the time and effort it takes to create and ultimately get product out there.