Second Life Forums Archive - Privacy Implication to streaming movies and giving up your IP address

blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

04-01-2005 04:04

Please note, that you will lose a certain degree of anonyminity when you download streaming movies from your peers. This is because you are sending them your IP address.

While people can not specifically find out who you are via your IP address, they can do reverse lookups and use whois to determine information about your ISP.

If streaming is important to you and so is your anonyminity you can set up a proxy server. Google for some open, public ones to use and set it as a preference in your web browser.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Moleculor Satyr

Fireflies!

Join date: 5 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,650

04-01-2005 04:09

Oh dear god, the IP I give out with my instant messenger services, chat programs, games, and other various programs might ACTUALLY be given out to someone when I download something from them?

Say it ain't so!

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Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

04-01-2005 04:11

From: blaze Spinnaker

Please note, that you will lose a certain degree of anonyminity when you download streaming movies from your peers. This is because you are sending them your IP address.

While people can not specifically find out who you are via your IP address, they can do reverse lookups and use whois to determine information about your ISP.

If streaming is important to you and so is your anonyminity you can set up a proxy server. Google for some open, public ones to use and set it as a preference in your web browser.

How is this any different from before 1.6? I could already get the IP of anyone that entered my parcel.

blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

04-01-2005 04:35

Yes, it's a problem with streaming music as well. I'm not entirely sure you could have proxied that, though.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Jack Digeridoo

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Join date: 29 Jul 2003

Posts: 1,170

04-01-2005 04:51

From: Kris Ritter

How is this any different from before 1.6? I could already get the IP of anyone that entered my parcel.

GOOD POINT!!! Seems totally unfair now that anyone can get my IP but I can't get theirs!!!

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Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

04-01-2005 05:07

From: Jack Digeridoo

GOOD POINT!!! Seems totally unfair now that anyone can get my IP but I can't get theirs!!!

Well it's not like I actually wanted them anyway. What would you DO with someone's IP from SL?

Trimda Hedges

Creator of Useless Prims

Join date: 19 Nov 2003

Posts: 247

04-01-2005 09:24

Blaze has declared, FIRE!!! OMG! Everyone, freak out!

Blaze, for the most parts, many people operate personal firewalls (such a LinkSys, Netgear, or other software and hardware deviations). Having said that, why does one care? Everyday, as we browse, chitchat, et cetra, our IP is spread across countless log files and servers. So why the dramatics? I don't give a rat's a__ if someone has my IP, infact, here you go, 64.26.155.12!

Seriously dude, you're starting to run out of things to needlessly post about, eh? Hmm, maybe, the next topic of choice for you should be "OMG! Have you noticed the blood red the sky is during dusk in world?!? That might cause some physcopath to hunt everyone of us down, and slash us with sporks while we sleep in our beds!"

Puuuh-lease.

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Newfie Pendragon

Crusty and proud of it

Join date: 19 Dec 2003

Posts: 1,025

04-01-2005 09:35

Err, um....

They weren't getting it already via streaming music URLs? How is this new to 1.6?

- Newfie

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blaze Spinnaker

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04-01-2005 09:47

oooh look, straw men.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Nolan Nash

Frischer Frosch

Join date: 15 May 2003

Posts: 7,141

04-01-2005 09:48

Klaxon, Klaxoff, Klaxon!

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Toy LaFollette

I eat paintchips

Join date: 11 Feb 2004

Posts: 2,359

04-01-2005 09:51

this is a april fools joke, right? right?

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Tcoz Bach

Tyrell Victim

Join date: 10 Dec 2002

Posts: 973

04-01-2005 10:22

I for one appreciate any info that crops up regarding privacy. It's not unfathomable that somebody didn't know this. Ya'll sound like you've been awake too long trying to figure out 1.6.

Thank you blaze, nm the naysayers.

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Prokofy Neva

Virtualtor

Join date: 28 Sep 2004

Posts: 3,698

04-01-2005 10:34

If it is true you can get the IP number of everyone entering your parcel, and I really wonder about that, then I have to wonder why LL doesn't do that more.

The most advantageous use of the IP number would be to "out" alts who are griefing. You could block an IP number or at least record it and see the alts getting around their bans. I wonder why LL doesn't do this if you can do it so easily.

Grabbing IPS numbers can be misleading. Sometimes people have the same IPS number who share computers or even just happen to live in the same building or even just the same city block, so you could be making unfair accusations. Geeks insist that every terminal has its own IPS number and this cannot be. But IPS-grabbers like SLH have found out that sometimes they grab and IPS and it turns out to just be the generic IPS number of Verizon or something.

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Jack Digeridoo

machinimaniac

Join date: 29 Jul 2003

Posts: 1,170

04-01-2005 10:39

From: Trimda Hedges

So why the dramatics? I don't give a rat's a__ if someone has my IP, infact, here you go, 69.26.155.69!

I wonder, would the MPAA and RIAA pay me to rat people out?? Gotta make money somehow....

* edit: to be fair I'd only report on teh people who requested that useless url hiding feature.

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blaze Spinnaker

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04-01-2005 10:57

Hey Trimda, do you live in xxxxxx?

You don't mind if I go post that IP address on some funky newsgroups, would you?

(oh and don't mind that series of packets being sent to your IP address right now, that's just me nmap'ing it)

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Toy LaFollette

I eat paintchips

Join date: 11 Feb 2004

Posts: 2,359

04-01-2005 11:14

From: blaze Spinnaker

Hey Trimda, do you live in xxxxxxxx?

You don't mind if I go post that IP address on some funky newsgroups, would you?

(oh and don't mind that series of packets being sent to your IP address right now, that's just me nmap'ing it)

hmmmm sounds like a clear threat to me

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Jack Digeridoo

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Join date: 29 Jul 2003

Posts: 1,170

04-01-2005 11:17

I just think it's important ok:

From: Rathe Underthorn

I'm actually slightly concerned about the streaming URL. I am aware you can disable streaming support, but someone can easily setup a stream that's sole purpose is to gather and collect the IP addresses of those that are listening. Normally this information isn't available in SL, but once someone flies onto your land and connects to your stream you can log that information and with the help of a little email or xml-rpc you can associate it with the last user to come onto your land. Therefore I think the streaming URLs should be clearly spelled out in plain text for you to decide if you really do want to connect to that stream or not, to establish some sort of trust and accountability without having to completely disable the feature.

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Pathfinder Linden

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Join date: 15 Mar 2005

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04-01-2005 11:18

From: Jack Digeridoo

GOOD POINT!!! Seems totally unfair now that anyone can get my IP but I can't get theirs!!!

Well, assuming you run the site that you are streaming your music or movies from, you could just pull up the webserver logs and see exactly who is downloading your streams.

But that is nothing new. Anyone who runs a webserver has been able to do that since the dawn of "Teh Interweb."

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Pathfinder Linden

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Join date: 15 Mar 2005

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04-01-2005 11:24

Just a note....looking through your own webserver logs for your own private reasons is fine. It's your server, so you are obviously within your right to review your own logs.

But posting that information here, or any information derived from that, in a public attempt to "map" RL information to SL users....well, that's violating their personal privacy.

So please don't do it.

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blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

04-01-2005 11:25

Hmm, well, I guess I better not post the results of the nmap I just did.

Trimda, you really really need to think about putting up a firewall.

Btw, PF, he posted his IP address. So, if I like post my area code (604) in these forums and someone says "Hey you live in BC", are you going to edit their posts as well?

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

04-01-2005 11:37

And I was merely pointing out how much you don't want your IP address given out.

It is basically like giving out your address to your house (except, in this case, to your computer).

Do you really want to give out that kind of personal info without knowing it?

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Jack Digeridoo

machinimaniac

Join date: 29 Jul 2003

Posts: 1,170

04-01-2005 11:40

But Blaze, I give my IP to someone everytime I fly over their parcel!!

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blaze Spinnaker

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Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

04-01-2005 11:46

Yes, that's a problem as well. I keep streaming music off (more because I find it annoying) personally.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

FlipperPA Peregrine

Magically Delicious!

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,703

04-01-2005 11:48

The bigger problem is that people can see the URLs for media on a parcel they don't own... which allows people to pilfer audio / video / etc to their parcel. This is a real bitch if you have a listener cap.

-Flip

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Jack Digeridoo

machinimaniac

Join date: 29 Jul 2003

Posts: 1,170

04-01-2005 11:52

From: FlipperPA Peregrine

The bigger problem is that people can see the URLs for media on a parcel they don't own... which allows people to pilfer audio / video / etc to their parcel. This is a real bitch if you have a listener cap.

If only there was some solution to both problems. damn this internet thing!!!

Oh I know, show both IP so you have trust/accountability and if you want to cap your stream you pay someone to set it up!

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Privacy Implication to streaming movies and giving up your IP address
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-01-2005 04:04 Please note, that you will lose a certain degree of anonyminity when you download streaming movies from your peers. This is because you are sending them your IP address. While people can not specifically find out who you are via your IP address, they can do reverse lookups and use whois to determine information about your ISP. If streaming is important to you and so is your anonyminity you can set up a proxy server. Google for some open, public ones to use and set it as a preference in your web browser. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Moleculor Satyr Fireflies! Join date: 5 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,650	04-01-2005 04:09 Oh dear god, the IP I give out with my instant messenger services, chat programs, games, and other various programs might ACTUALLY be given out to someone when I download something from them? Say it ain't so! _____________________ </sarcasm>
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	04-01-2005 04:11 From: blaze Spinnaker Please note, that you will lose a certain degree of anonyminity when you download streaming movies from your peers. This is because you are sending them your IP address. While people can not specifically find out who you are via your IP address, they can do reverse lookups and use whois to determine information about your ISP. If streaming is important to you and so is your anonyminity you can set up a proxy server. Google for some open, public ones to use and set it as a preference in your web browser. How is this any different from before 1.6? I could already get the IP of anyone that entered my parcel.
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-01-2005 04:35 Yes, it's a problem with streaming music as well. I'm not entirely sure you could have proxied that, though. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Jack Digeridoo machinimaniac Join date: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1,170	04-01-2005 04:51 From: Kris Ritter How is this any different from before 1.6? I could already get the IP of anyone that entered my parcel. GOOD POINT!!! Seems totally unfair now that anyone can get my IP but I can't get theirs!!! _____________________ If you'll excuse me, it's, it's time to make the world safe for democracy.
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	04-01-2005 05:07 From: Jack Digeridoo GOOD POINT!!! Seems totally unfair now that anyone can get my IP but I can't get theirs!!! Well it's not like I actually wanted them anyway. What would you DO with someone's IP from SL?
Trimda Hedges Creator of Useless Prims Join date: 19 Nov 2003 Posts: 247	04-01-2005 09:24 Blaze has declared, FIRE!!! OMG! Everyone, freak out! Blaze, for the most parts, many people operate personal firewalls (such a LinkSys, Netgear, or other software and hardware deviations). Having said that, why does one care? Everyday, as we browse, chitchat, et cetra, our IP is spread across countless log files and servers. So why the dramatics? I don't give a rat's a__ if someone has my IP, infact, here you go, 64.26.155.12! Seriously dude, you're starting to run out of things to needlessly post about, eh? Hmm, maybe, the next topic of choice for you should be "OMG! Have you noticed the blood red the sky is during dusk in world?!? That might cause some physcopath to hunt everyone of us down, and slash us with sporks while we sleep in our beds!" Puuuh-lease. _____________________ C. Create useless prims... Then delete... Rinse... Repeat. "The problem is us, and the solution is within us all." -- Merwan Marker "Trimda - do us both a favor and please put me on ignore." -- blaze Spinnaker
Newfie Pendragon Crusty and proud of it Join date: 19 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,025	04-01-2005 09:35 Err, um.... They weren't getting it already via streaming music URLs? How is this new to 1.6? - Newfie _____________________
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-01-2005 09:47 oooh look, straw men. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Nolan Nash Frischer Frosch Join date: 15 May 2003 Posts: 7,141	04-01-2005 09:48 Klaxon, Klaxoff, Klaxon! _____________________ “Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit
Toy LaFollette I eat paintchips Join date: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 2,359	04-01-2005 09:51 this is a april fools joke, right? right? _____________________ "So you see, my loyalty lies with Second Life, not with Linden Lab. Where I perceive the actions of Linden Lab to be in conflict with the best interests of Second Life, I side with Second Life."-Jacek
Tcoz Bach Tyrell Victim Join date: 10 Dec 2002 Posts: 973	04-01-2005 10:22 I for one appreciate any info that crops up regarding privacy. It's not unfathomable that somebody didn't know this. Ya'll sound like you've been awake too long trying to figure out 1.6. Thank you blaze, nm the naysayers. _____________________ ...you want to do WHAT with that cube?
Prokofy Neva Virtualtor Join date: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 3,698	04-01-2005 10:34 If it is true you can get the IP number of everyone entering your parcel, and I really wonder about that, then I have to wonder why LL doesn't do that more. The most advantageous use of the IP number would be to "out" alts who are griefing. You could block an IP number or at least record it and see the alts getting around their bans. I wonder why LL doesn't do this if you can do it so easily. Grabbing IPS numbers can be misleading. Sometimes people have the same IPS number who share computers or even just happen to live in the same building or even just the same city block, so you could be making unfair accusations. Geeks insist that every terminal has its own IPS number and this cannot be. But IPS-grabbers like SLH have found out that sometimes they grab and IPS and it turns out to just be the generic IPS number of Verizon or something. _____________________ Rent stalls and walls for $25-$50/week 25-50 prims from Ravenglass Rentals, the mall alternative.
Jack Digeridoo machinimaniac Join date: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1,170	04-01-2005 10:39 From: Trimda Hedges So why the dramatics? I don't give a rat's a__ if someone has my IP, infact, here you go, 69.26.155.69! I wonder, would the MPAA and RIAA pay me to rat people out?? Gotta make money somehow.... * edit: to be fair I'd only report on teh people who requested that useless url hiding feature. _____________________ If you'll excuse me, it's, it's time to make the world safe for democracy.
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-01-2005 10:57 Hey Trimda, do you live in xxxxxx? You don't mind if I go post that IP address on some funky newsgroups, would you? (oh and don't mind that series of packets being sent to your IP address right now, that's just me nmap'ing it) _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Toy LaFollette I eat paintchips Join date: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 2,359	04-01-2005 11:14 From: blaze Spinnaker Hey Trimda, do you live in xxxxxxxx? You don't mind if I go post that IP address on some funky newsgroups, would you? (oh and don't mind that series of packets being sent to your IP address right now, that's just me nmap'ing it) hmmmm sounds like a clear threat to me _____________________ "So you see, my loyalty lies with Second Life, not with Linden Lab. Where I perceive the actions of Linden Lab to be in conflict with the best interests of Second Life, I side with Second Life."-Jacek
Jack Digeridoo machinimaniac Join date: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1,170	04-01-2005 11:17 I just think it's important ok: From: Rathe Underthorn I'm actually slightly concerned about the streaming URL. I am aware you can disable streaming support, but someone can easily setup a stream that's sole purpose is to gather and collect the IP addresses of those that are listening. Normally this information isn't available in SL, but once someone flies onto your land and connects to your stream you can log that information and with the help of a little email or xml-rpc you can associate it with the last user to come onto your land. Therefore I think the streaming URLs should be clearly spelled out in plain text for you to decide if you really do want to connect to that stream or not, to establish some sort of trust and accountability without having to completely disable the feature. _____________________ If you'll excuse me, it's, it's time to make the world safe for democracy.
Pathfinder Linden Administrator Join date: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 507	04-01-2005 11:18 From: Jack Digeridoo GOOD POINT!!! Seems totally unfair now that anyone can get my IP but I can't get theirs!!! Well, assuming you run the site that you are streaming your music or movies from, you could just pull up the webserver logs and see exactly who is downloading your streams. But that is nothing new. Anyone who runs a webserver has been able to do that since the dawn of "Teh Interweb." _____________________
Pathfinder Linden Administrator Join date: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 507	04-01-2005 11:24 Just a note....looking through your own webserver logs for your own private reasons is fine. It's your server, so you are obviously within your right to review your own logs. But posting that information here, or any information derived from that, in a public attempt to "map" RL information to SL users....well, that's violating their personal privacy. So please don't do it. _____________________
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-01-2005 11:25 Hmm, well, I guess I better not post the results of the nmap I just did. Trimda, you really really need to think about putting up a firewall. Btw, PF, he posted his IP address. So, if I like post my area code (604) in these forums and someone says "Hey you live in BC", are you going to edit their posts as well? _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-01-2005 11:37 And I was merely pointing out how much you don't want your IP address given out. It is basically like giving out your address to your house (except, in this case, to your computer). Do you really want to give out that kind of personal info without knowing it? _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Jack Digeridoo machinimaniac Join date: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1,170	04-01-2005 11:40 But Blaze, I give my IP to someone everytime I fly over their parcel!! _____________________ If you'll excuse me, it's, it's time to make the world safe for democracy.
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	04-01-2005 11:46 Yes, that's a problem as well. I keep streaming music off (more because I find it annoying) personally. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	04-01-2005 11:48 The bigger problem is that people can see the URLs for media on a parcel they don't own... which allows people to pilfer audio / video / etc to their parcel. This is a real bitch if you have a listener cap. -Flip _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Jack Digeridoo machinimaniac Join date: 29 Jul 2003 Posts: 1,170	04-01-2005 11:52 From: FlipperPA Peregrine The bigger problem is that people can see the URLs for media on a parcel they don't own... which allows people to pilfer audio / video / etc to their parcel. This is a real bitch if you have a listener cap. If only there was some solution to both problems. damn this internet thing!!! Oh I know, show both IP so you have trust/accountability and if you want to cap your stream you pay someone to set it up! _____________________ If you'll excuse me, it's, it's time to make the world safe for democracy.

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