Rules UPDATE AND CONFIRMATION Please

I meant ..in this same thread can polls be added or do you have to start new threads?

I understand what you mean. Thats why i was saying that the events thrown at the club i attend are always fun. There are always great conversations, i am constantly meeting new people who want to show me new things there as well. As for when you walk into a club and everyone is waiting for a payout, look around first. See if the event holder is trying to do anything to get it to liven up. I mean, I've been to a few events where it was that way, but its not the Event holders fault, its the people who are attending. They aren't contributing to the experience. THEY are there for the money and nothing more. We <the event holders> cannot make you dance, talk, and enjoy others company, YOU <the attendee's> have to do it yourselves.

"I mean, I've been to a few events where it was that way, but its not the Event holders fault, its the people who are attending."

So you dont think this is a Learned behavior? I mean I will tell you i for awhile went to the events for thoe prize anmd competition- spent 20 minutes dressiing according to the porst for the event went there - hoped people liked me - thought i dressed good enough for atleast a vote- looked around at the others - wanted to know i wanted to vote for who i really thought was best and then see who won! Thats what all the events said to do - come get your money! Only way to not get money is not come. etc etc

You really blame the people coming to clubs for thinking that is what it is all about?

I blame the people that come to the club and dont talk. Dont interract. If i'm shouting out all kinds of things, having conversations, etc. And people choose to sit in the corner while their Avie dances away and not say anything, why should it be my fault?

At my events I try to get people talking and moving aruond. I'll do small contest like.. example, at my last one.. it was a naughty/nice contest. Well, one of the other managers was talking with me and sayin' she liked to get spanked. so i turned around and announced the first 3 people to come up on the stage and "spank" her would get 25L... see, now I have the people moving, and interacting with each other. The ones who didnt move or say anything.. welp, missed out on a fun part of the event. And you might think... "Okay, that makes no sense, thats lame." But, imagine a room of 35 people tryin to rush the stage and get out "/me spanks Aydyn." before the others...

It was fun, funny, and just had people doing things. But, its just an example ;D

COOL - I am sending all my friends to your events and Having them IM you their fantasies


Woohoo


You are cool

*writes down name to take home -- I am finding you when i get online too

this is better than t or d

I get more IM's at events than any other time

Also i will admit and I probably actually deserve a spanking for this - but sometiems at events i will change laundry.

*lowers head

and fold it

*THe shame is building

And I have even cooked dinner through a whole event. But i made it back in time to vote...lol

Point is I hear you - I am not going to do that anymore. We all can learn things.

Or i can save those things for the 2 hour events


lol


KIDDING

All fine and dandy, and i realize all of this as someone who has had success in creating a fun environment. My point is that lately...there is such a glutton of the crappy events that are nothing more then people waiting for handouts and not interacting...then i most certainly WILL miss events that oculd be good like yours b/c i am not going to continue to browse through the sea of crap looking for the perverbial needle in the haystack of events starting out with '$$$ for your <insert attire for day> events'. I have been here long enough to entertain myself without events and between my own exploring, word of mouth, and the forums i find plenty to do.

I am posting to this thread trying to come up iwth a way to answer the initial questions raised as well as perhaps offer a solution to the current Events postings because as this world continues to grow...it will become worse and eventually those who can offer great stuff for people to do will also feel the frustration of having to post in between 20 other "best <insert lack of clothing> av look" contests posted in the same 1/2 our interval.

As both Taggy and I mentioned as possible ideas, and they have been overlooked...i still think that linden Support should ONLY be offered to actual instructional/mentor/class type events. may not be the best solution but i know it would weed out a bunch of this crap I see now.

I understand what your saying. But by doing that, then events like mine will not be funded. And therefore, I'm being punished for those who do not actually WORK for their "event" pay. There should be a way to distinguish the two.

*Note : I have to go to work now, so i will be unable to reply until around 11pm EST. <Dont think I ran away >

Heya,

Saw this thread, and a lot of opinions being tossed around - so I thought I'd weigh in on my perspective:

1. Should contests be limited to 1 hour:

Absolutely not. Personally, I prefer that the contests at my own place to be under an hour - IMO, people have good feelings about it when the event is run in a timely manner, and people aren't held hostage - and they'll want to come back too. HOWEVER... nor should this be mandated. I can think of legitimate, creative contests that by nature need to be more than an hour, and losing that flexibility seems unfair.

The problem here, IMO, is not that contests are over an hour. The real problem is false or misleading advertising regarding a contest. For example, when a contest is *advertised* as an hour, but its dragged onto three. That's what would piss me off when I was new. I mean hell, if its going to be a 3 hour contest, make it clear in the event listing, so I know what I'm getting into up front - then its my choice whether I want to involve myself or not. But getting rid of event flexibility like this because of a few abusers hurts those who try to take the high road on the issue.

2. The event calendar is a mess.

I think that assessment is subjective. While I do agree with the simple statement, Its not at all for the reasons you think. I don't believe 'bad events' are the root of the problem. Who decides whether an event is 'worthy' of being on the calendar? IMO, all events are worthy of being posted on an event calendar that can be searched in-game.

The real problem, and the reason the calendar is a mess is because filters are ineffective, and the *structure* is a mess. If you propose locking people down to specific *categories* on the event calendar - I'd be all for that. If you didn't want to have anything to do with that category, you could filter it out on your search. But its unfair to limit our creativity - isn't that what SL's supposed to be all about? What's more - something that's 'creative' to one person may be 'stupid' to another. Generalizations suck!

Dictating to me that it has to only be this 'type' of event or this 'frequency' of event seemed draconian when it was first instituted this summer. I felt like the effects of the problem were being addressed rather than the cause. I still feel that way. If you want to fix the event calendar..... *fix the event calendar*.

3. Linden support for events should go away.

I don't agree at all. Smaller clubs like mine can't afford to fund contests on their own. If you took away linden support, we (my club) wouldn't have contests. Not because we wouldn't want to - but because we can't afford to fund it. I can't afford to pay employees. I can't hire a DJ. The only reason I'm even in buisness is because its all about having fun - and I'd like to think that my guests pick up on the positive energy I try to put out - and come back for more for that reason alone.



Thanks for letting me voice my opinion

Travis

Rules for what can go on the Events Calendar are on this thread.

Rules for what events are supported are on this thread.

I would suggest that those posting here take a look at the history on the forums in regards to the events section of the site/user interface, as well as topics related to the revamp of events and qualifying for Linden support.

The reason I am so black & white on these issues, and I suppose jaded, is that these things have been hashed out for a long while...the Linden's intervened with the new find features including reminders, filters, and the newer guidelines. The system is still screwed. Only it's not really the guidelines and the tools. It is the users.

It IS the users who are ABUSING the system.

It IS the greedy players who are finding any loophole they can to attempt to get as much L$ as possible for hosting events.

It IS these people who are making it harder for those who want to try and make soem money by hosting events.

Perhaps my ideas are a bit blunt and swift saying what i have about removing Linden sponsorship, but i also come from the standpoint that "there is no such thing as a free lunch." I understand you feel you deserve this support as a means of getting by in the world. What i am saying is i dont think that support should be offered unless it is going to instructional events. It will push for more people to get active in supporting our new user base, will eliminate hte mess events are, and it will also remove a lot of the places that have become resource devouring builds and events.

If you want to have a club, casino, or whatever and have events to raise money, I say get creative. Instead of a handout from LL, how about devise a way to raise money. Lotteries or raffles with a charge for tickets. Actually come up with something that makes your place unique, and charge for admittance. Devise a new game, polish it, get demand, and then eventually sell it. So many possiblities, why limit it to jsut getting some L from support for merely "having an event where people vote on attire" or likewise, which you cannot disagree is the bulk of events these days.

I worked hard and outlined what i did to raise money and many can tell you it was a blast to be at some of my events. I did this for an example of motives other then L$ for newer people interested int he business. I wasn't looking for handouts. I walked around SL with less then 1000L in my pocket for months. I used to attend Misty's raffles hoping to win jsut enough so i could afford to Rate people back. I also worked for a long time on my builds. I wish some of today's players could have stepped into SL when i did, or earlier. I can't say i have been an "old-schooler", but i know exactly how impressed i was seeing just how much intelligence, creativity, and essentially amazing people were in this world. That feeling i had in the first two days is why i am still here.

Even then i envisioned SL growing exponentially. I came from the Unreal series of games after playing them religously for 4 years. I had extensive history running clans (babysitting) and i was really excited that something was as fascinating as SL AND was all adults! One of my thoughts i clearly recall having as i wandered around the welcome area my second day was..."I am sure the caliber of people in SL will stay the same as it doesn't give instant rewards like glitchy FPS, role playing, or other game genres offer." There is no ultimate goal. There is no defined set of accomplishments. I figured that those seeking such would eventually lose interest and SL would continue to thrive and grow with creative, intelligent, and interesting people of all walks of life.

Unfortunately, it has gone "mainstream". I realized it would when i was at the time capsule opening, the first time i heard Philip speak. I was most surprised when his ultimate goal was to have millions of subscribers. Then it hit me. the Utopia I had wanted was but a mere pipedream and this thing was going to change, and it was going to change fast.

Sure enough. The schemers and swindlers arrived by the droves. More and more things being sold that the seller didnt create. More griefing. More events that were merely a way to create dwell to get a slice of the $ pie.

So why do i say do away with support? To penalize you people...NO. It is because of the abuse that is occuring that cannot be monitored all the time and making the entire purpose of Events useless. Perhaps i should take the time to report every occurence of a Event post guidelines foul. Sounds like in 3 or 6 months it could be a full time job. it was a system that worked when this place was smaller, much smaller. many residents probalby had no idea there was a time that the LIndens gave announcments for events with descriptions in Popup windows. Then it was changed to just plain announcements and eventually to what we have today. A big mess of stuff you have to filter just to get to something unique. Sure i can deal with the situation fo today, but forward thinking as i can be...i hardly see this as becoming Less of a problem in say 6 months when the user base possibly doubles nad more people want a quick buck to buy the latest photoskin for 3x their weekly stipend on day one.

blah im ramblimg...rant off...

IM me in world sometime if you would like to hear more...no need to bore the Forum reader's with my jaded sense of SL and the future of events...