Rules UPDATE AND CONFIRMATION Please

Rules UPDATE AND CONFIRMATION Please

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Hello,

I was wondering if it is at all possible to get the Rules Posted here in FULL? and will they be enforced?

The web site says One Event per Person a Day. That is the latest I have read. I at one time received New Reporting rules and procedures for reporting an event but somehow they have disapeared (this is more than likely some clumbsy accident on my part). Before I believe it was acceptable to do two a day as long as completely different type of events.

Also, I have read a Location such as a Club can also only have two events a day and that is only if they are also completely different types of events yet I see clubs having way over that. I am not trying to tattle , I am trying to find out what classifies as the correct type of exceptions?

Also when I did create an Event before I had to keep editing it over and over until I had less word count for it to be completed. I see many event descriptions filled with much higher word counts than i attemoted. Can someone share the trick to that with me also?

Now for a new ( i am so sure no one has brought it up yet..lol) controversial comment/Question:

If I am having a blast at an event and I have not already chose to go to an event i saw on the Calendar I stay ...but... Milking an event for 2 hours and sometimes even longer makes me want to give up going to club events all together. And dont use the money ball as an excuse that it shoukld be acceptable. Holding voting and prizes over peoples heads to get better dwell is just rediculous. I dont mean to sound like a nazi but I am hoping for a rule that if its a contest, voting should be mandatary to start by a certain time after event starts and the prize be given out before the first hour ends,, heck a ten minute grace period is cool..but come on. I tp's 12 friends to an event one day and all the event thrower stretched it out over 2 hours and 25 min ( i left after that - who knows how long they waited) . And i dontcare if i win but I owuld like to see who won - I want to vote ..And they wont even take the vote if they say they arent ready even if its 1 hour and 25 minutes into it.

Whats next...Sleepover at the Event or the Event thrower negative rates you ? lol
you get there and you are tired

Can you all tell I am at work and cant get in game? ...I am much less complaining when i get in the game but only cause i am distracted with all the things I do love. The good does outway my complaints. Kudos to EVERYONE!

Sorry for the length of this post. I promise to keep them real short if you Stop dwell mongling/ Av Hostaging at events.


Ahkin Pierce

My advice would be, if you don't like how a particular club handles events, then simply do not go to that club. There are many, many clubs to choose from.

I know, in my personal experience, that I prefer fun events to prizes any day of the week. However, if I see a particular club always awarding contest money to employees or personal friends of the club owner, I get a tad suspicious and won't frequent such places.

Events should be honestly run, but if not, there are many to choose from. We consumers do indeed have the power, in SL particularly.

As far as time frames go, did the event listing show it as a 1 hour event, or 2, or 3?

Personally, I wish LL'd do away with awards for events altogether. We DON'T need them any more.

2nd, this would get ride of all the clutter and make people think twice about hosting events!

Pfft like hell we don't. I'm not a good enough builder or scripter to make my living that way but if I get low on cash I can host an event and in a couple days I get paid. an without us less talented people the talented people would have no one to buy their stuff

///////DAVID////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////MMy advice would be, if you don't like how a particular club handles events, then simply do not go to that club. There are many, many clubs to choose from.
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I hate this concept this most. FOr obvious reasons. Dont get me wrong I apreciate the reply. But when the club owner says to me You dont like it leave and i realize i tp'd 4 to 12 people there after making them change into what the event is about. Its just rude! They want us for dwell and we are there to enjoy the event they are holding but not to the point that we are begging to be manipulated into being tied with strings to the place with something to vote just barely out of reach. I also don't want to have to get to a point when i friend askes me to join him ir her -- " OH GOD NOt there ..bash bash bash

I want them to see in this post and poll maybe more of how others feel about it.

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I know, in my personal experience, that I prefer fun events to prizes any day of the week. However, if I see a particular club always awarding contest money to employees or personal friends of the club owner, I get a tad suspicious and won't frequent such places.
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That is nasty! I Agree

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Events should be honestly run, but if not, there are many to choose from. We consumers do indeed have the power, in SL particularly.
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*turns up Mic for David* MORE MORE MORE .. SPEAK TO EM ALL

As far as time frames go, did the event listing show it as a 1 hour event, or 2, or 3?
1 Hour

I don't do contests just for these reasons. To qualify for Linden support it says you must have a contest, so I just dont attempt to get support rather then having a "Come in your best [insert color of rainbow for day] outfit." In my opinion some clubs and even other types of establishments have been abusing Linden support for a long time. I personally think the only events worthy of said support would be mentoring events and those that are instructional. I third the move for removing these said awards at events. If you want money to run these contests, charge for tickets for the raffle (you actually might make more anyways).

My club is a tad different then some, because my only draw is the music and people. I post events so that people who follow my Live DJ's (turntablists) can know when events are occuring, although i dont even have more then a couple a week, let alone in a day. Thats just me though, and my reasons for my club are to attract people who enjoy the music and our crowd - nothing else. No dwell, no L$, and no money balls...but to each there own

I need to understand the "ANYMORE" part

Molecular?

You think we needed them before but not Now?

Can you explain this?

Hey Jay have you ever thought of charging cover? And then using that money to hire others for entertainment? Do you think a Club is a good source for linden Jobs?

Maeve des have a point - we are nt all builders and djs but maybe we are good at advertising

Making a notecard and spreading a flyer etc



I am trying to see how "we don't need them could work?

God...now i am addicted to forums

SOMEONE HELP ME !!!

Well, the only problem I can see with doing away with event money, is the fact that it's damn hard for a newb to scrape together cash. Events with contests, trivia, raffles and money balls are some of the only ways for them to get some money in thier pockets. Also, with a one time fee account, even the stripend is pitiful.

I do agree that well run education events are far more worthy of funding, but also very hard for LL to judge.

So by saying no LL money for events, you are definitely going to effect consumer purchasing, and those folks creating some great content will suffer for it.

Hmmm, how bout this, if you win a "DWELL" based award for the period of 1 month after the dwell award was won not be allowed to host Linden supported events.

If the establishment makes that much money and dwell to win a Linden "DWELL" award then additional Linden Support Should be suspended until a latter date when that location drops off the radar.

If the place continues to do well without Linden Supported Funding then its strong enough to stand on its own and doesnt need the Charity and is legitimately giving back to the community.

Just my .02$

Shadow

the Updated and complete Rules on this? Or Do i need to Send then a copy of my post?

I do charge a cover for non VIP members. I do think clubs can be a source of jobs for others, although I DO NOT think that it is typically very profitable for the owner . I do it for fun and I pay to run my club. I pay my DJ's and my GM (who takes care of invites, detail work, and occasionaly posts events for me). I also pay a select few of my "Divas" who also bring in more guests with their great appearance and demeanor. The only time I broke even was when i was in the Dev Incentives, and to me it wasn't worth it becuase that meant day in and day out events and quite frankly I burnt out.

I dont personally see how $250L (500 of the reimbursement is to be given away in said event) could possibly make htat much of a difference if yo uare paying your guests to stay anyways, but it happens all over and hte only person who I know who uses a "Free Money" machine often is Taggy, and she has always been upfront that she is losing in the compensation vs. free giveaway equation.

Hi Sorry I didnt touch forums after i got off work..I can get in game when I get home so I Dont even know what "Forums" are when i am home...lol

Anyhoo...I would like to make a reply to JAy and to Shadow- both of you thanks so much for your comments to this thread (as well as everyone else who replied to post). I tried to respond to most replies. I am not going to paste what others said I am just going to reply. I dont think the thread is that huge .
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In regards to Shadows Reply Post:

- so kinda like a Governenment Funding Business for Start up and Re-Starp Up Support.


If I understand you correctly, I like your way of thinking and I would pay more than .02$ for it. :+))

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In regards to Jay's Post

How do you really feel about that? Are you buying lindens to pay players so they have lindens jobs? I mean if you are a business that is helping give jobs to the less skilled ...and doing it over and over as a loss. I want to udnerstand this better...
I think its great the way you run your club ...you pay and pay and pay and people do come to your club and it is successful as a club should be-- the people come, yes? Yet you dont make profit and you still pay the people who make it the 'success" it is. I do understand this as people say to me all the time "THIS IS A GAME", which i add.."....that SIMULATES LIFE". How long can you keep doing this?

And to get more back on my topic...lol (if i can rememebr what that was now):

Do you think if Clubs were removed of being Supported in Events that it would work out better? That way clubbing success would be more based on the clubs atmosphere and what happens at the Club (unposted un linden suppported random events or self advertised Clendar of events for example)? I think that now it is split; some people go to clubs not based on Events and others use the Events religuosly. Hell I thought i had to...lol. You know for ratings and all that..this game clearly feeds off newbies. Maybe i should just give in and pay 200 real cash a week so i can havethe lindens to staff and run start a Social Services Agency for the protection of newbies...lol. I bet the lindens wish my heart bled so.
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I have learned so much from this thread... I really appreciate all of you so much. And thanks for all that voted in the poll. I hope that some event throwers have considered the discusiion and poll here.

I still need the official rules. I guess i will write the events support again. I guess i was confused on what is posted in a forum. I just wanted the rules on events and to learn how to make a longer event description...lol And to start that poll.

Speaking of the Poll- i set it for a whole week i think - i didnt know what i was doing.

Am i suppose to do anything special to keep the poll going or to end my post? Or just let it die? I am worried I might not be able to reply to all replies and i will appear rude.

Well, I'm a "newb" to SL and have been frequenting the forums as of late. As far as this topic goes I just wanted to let you all know what its like from a "newb" point of view.

I guess the main thing that i wanted to say is that I really do enjoy the time I spend in game, attending events, and recently, throwing my own events. I'm now a part of the management team of an ingame club that i enjoy going to, as well as throwing events at. The way the club works to me is very good. I think that it is a great place for someone like me who can't script nor build in game to make some money. No, it isnt much, 250L isnt alot of cash. But ya know what? Its the way I make money. To each his own. I think that its a great system, and when i first learned about it was very very pleased. (And still am pleased) As far as the way we run things at the club, all events are 2 hours long. Each event starts on a certain hour, and exactly 1 1/2 hours later, we begin the voting. 15 minutes afterwards, voting closes. Once all votes are tallied, we announce, and we give away the prize. See the thing is, this is just the way we do things. Example.. Event starts at 1:00pm. Voting Starts at 2:30pm. Voting closes at 2:45pm. And you are done within ten minutes. Now, even though our event last a total of 2 hours, and voting doesnt begin until an hour and a half into the event, that doesnt mean you have to be there the whole time. If you pop in at 2:15pm, hell if you pop in at 2:27pm, you are eligable to win. Of course, someone who has been there for an hour has attracted more attention, and probably has a better chance. But if you can do it, then do. The thing is, we also have a "Money" ball, we also have prize give aways, raffles, etc. Usually during most of our events. The cost of all this is usually high, and I think the person doing all this should be commended, and appreciated. And I think that is what Linden does. Yes, some places give away the $500L, make you wait 3 hours for voting, etc. But why should the good clubs suffer?!? I mean, my first event, we gave away 1k worth of prizes, had a raffle box where we gave away prizes such as clothing and the likes <Some of which single articles of clothing were going for 1k in the store> and had a money ball spitting out 5k during the event. I mean... that's 7k worth of cash being given out in a 2 hour period. Why is it bad to ask for 750L back in return for working hard to get the people there, and keeping them there, and entertaining them while they are there?!? It just seems to me that too many people get upset about how others make money. To them I say, worry about your own business. There are people who make money IRL by doing things like playing video games And you know what?!? You can't change that. Some people will make money doing something they love, In this case, I love making new friends and throwing parties, thats how I make money. Others will make money by doing somthing they can do, but may not love... Making Scripts, Creating clothing, but that is how YOU make money. I'm not complaining about how I'm sick of seeing malls everywhere taking up space, and that linden should ban malls. <Not that i feel that way, just an example. I love shopping >

Anyway, i just had to put my thoughts in.
Don't flame, I wasnt flaming anyone.

I hold hour long events always have always will anything more than that is too damn long. Some people have kids and can't sit at the PC held hostage for lindens. Some people just get bored and wander off after an hour, Only so long, you can stare at your avatar dancing before you want to go do something else. If lindens made it so events would only be an hour long I'd probably get out more. because most clubs have awful music and too many "escorts" and 'dancers" I'm not going to pay some chick to shake her pixels at me so I just tend not to go to those clubs. If I do go an hour is about all I can tolerate. I have a short attention span, you hold an event for 2 hours you can count a lot of people out.

I understand what you're saying about events lasting too long. But 2 hours really isnt that bad for me. And at the end of the event, there were 49 people. Average was probably about 35-39. about 10-15 in and out during the event. But I mean, 39 people is alot to me. And I am very proud to say that we kept them there, and entertained each and everyone of them. Heck, at the end of the event, most stayed, even though nothing was going on afterwards. Its one thing to get people to come to your club and do all you can to keep them there during an event, and its another when you dont have to do anything to keep them there. They enjoy being at your club, and interacting with the people in it. Just a thought.

COOL POSTS Ayden and Maeve_ THANKS

"It just seems to me that too many people get upset about how others make money. To them I say, worry about your own business."

I want you to understand that if you post in your description of event that it is @ hours and explain when you will allow voting and when you will stop voting , etc ..Like you said in this email that is great. My complaint are more for people who move the length of time to allow voting based on how many show up. If you do something and stick to it that is grand! Great and when i look at the events and i see your event posting that i can decide if i can go . I too have events to plan and other business plans to write cause i too make money my way , for me scheduling my time is important. And i like to commit - its not good for me to show as a person who comes to events and leaves. Somedays i only have time to commit to hour events and somexdays i can spend hours and hours in one place. I dont think its about complaining how people make money. Just be clear , solid -- you know what i mean. I respect your way and you seem like a great host...I love how you laid it all out for us in your post and your appreciation to where you work really shows.

I dont mind e's and dancers being there but i dont tip them , i feel bad but there are alot of people there dancing. I do however check to see if i have rated them yet and they get all three. Also Clubs that dont let me on a pole or stage hurt my feelings...lol.

Its absolutly not about punishing or making owners suffer.

Also Ayden can you answer on the limits of events in a day ?
As i undestand it you can now only get support for one a day, yes?
and a Location can only have one or if totla differnt types oevents - they can have 2. Is this right?
I am trying to get this confirmed.


I think also Maeve that you agree yes that if they post in the dexcription their schedul - listing two hour event you appreciate more yes? Cause then you wont go and not be irrtitated to find it is longer than an hour.

I was just reading the Release Notes on the uipdate and i wanted to paste this section:

- The Events Directory window in the finder now shows the duration of the
event in hours.


I think that will end alot of chaos. I am so Happy for this

I have been successful enough in SL to keep from actually buying L$ to pay staff. At the height of my club's activity, i was paying more to player staff, due to increased volume of events but very rarely applied for support. I had a couple of event coordinators who ran their own events once a week and they always held a themed event with prizes and applied for support. That was their compensation. I paid the prizes equalling $1000L and they received the full reimbursement as long as they handled the paper work necessary. I was in the Developer Incentive award payouts for June and July. This offset my expenses (back then i only had 1/4 sim tier vs. my 1/2 sim tier now). Overall I did lose L$ running the club, but it was offset by my random gambling winnings and land sales to where buying L to support it was never necessary.

This also was during post 1.4 when SL saw a huge boom in new players, land demand was high, and the value of the L$ was skyrocketing. As I attempted to buy land for an escape - I continually ended up reselling my purchases if the neighborhoods were over run by craptastic builds or lots of vendors. I wanted peace and serenity and as soon as it was over run, i would turn it for profit as the land scarcity dictated a rising market. I was turning land i couldn't end up using from auction within a day or two. I also have to say that Taggy's Daily Grinds were a bonus as i paid for a lot of my land with those winnings. So in turn the land trading was quite profitable whenever i was pushed to buy somehwere else so my project could come to realization.

The other thing to note about my model was that by not reverting to pay people to come party at my place and keeping to what i envisioned my club to be, (just that a dance club with a social draw due to the crowd and the music), that i actually was popular with guests and received numerous freebies and donations from attendees who wanted to sweeten the pot for events. I also offered free vending space to those who had the new animations, and in turn was able to get all the animations i wanted at no cost in exchange. I also debuted the first 1.4 dance machine for the creators, and was comped the cost as i showcased it in the most popular Dance Club at the time. I was able to get them several sales just from it being in place there.

Exactly. I never had to do anythign to keep people enjoying themselves except be myself, friendly, outgoing, and genuine. I also had SL's hottest dance mix DJ's who spin live, using turntables and not MP3's, which actually reinforced the club atmosphere with music that fit what you would here. I had a few people come and idle at these events just so they could clean the house listening to music that isn't found on any recording.

My goal was always to give people a true club feel, not a raffle in a cube with dancing AV's, particles, and lights. Sure I used some lighting and particles to give the club effect, but if you ever visit my club you will see a lot of time was involved in it's creation. It is no club in a box. Location was huge at the time as i was the only thriving club in the City region, near the welcome area - that saw a ton of foot traffic from new players as SL was growing exponentially.The realistic build with red carpet entry, huge lobby, and high rise feel all helped create the illusion of going into a metropolitan club.

I could be totally offbase and it could have been a fluke but this is why i think i was able to have something unique for events and continue to have a follwoing now that I don't run them daily, and I even took a couple months off with no events whatsoever. Once re-opened; it was packed with old regulars and confirmed that I had left an impression on those who really were looking for this kind of entertainment. That was the only profit i hever wanted from my club, personal satisfaction.

OK so now that i answered those posts, to get back to the point at hand. I would think that removing support for any events outside of instructional/mentoring would actually clean up the events mess that has been created and is exactly why i refuse to even look at events in the Find menu anymore. Back when i started i relied on these events and any more it just looks like a bunch of places trying to "Buy" attendance. I have no reason to attend something without quality content. Unfortunately with the mess that events are today, I probably miss some of those great events due to the mess of useless junk in there now. Strange how i could watch my AV dance for hours at my place when there was great conversations, relationships building, and wonderful people that were outgoing and all added to the experience. Now i go to other spots and i literally am bored within 10 minutes, no one talks, and everyone is jsut awaiting the next $5L payout. Luckily those who have posted wonderful things to see and do in the forums have allowed me to at least keep up to date with what is happening that does appeal to me.

An Amazing Post. I am really learning some things here. I am not just saying that. I have been asked to some Coordinating and I am really glad to be reading all this. I feel spoiled with insight. My whole positions on the whole subject has taking a much different course than when i initially Posted. And knowing that the even duration is now part of the event making alot of the confusion will be erased - I will know the expected length before going. I also realize that alot of the events i will be coordinating arent really the type of events for the Find system. Invitation handouts and such seeem more appropriate. My friends in game always kept telling me you want to learn fast get on the forums. I should have lisstened sooner.

Would you mind posting your club Info...I know you are not spamming- I am requesting it. If you still feel uncofortable doing so - you dont have to. I am still looking you up when i get online tonight...lol

I am very very much in favor of eliminating Linden support for everything other than class / mentor events.

-AP

Can we start additional polls? Maybe someone should start that poll.