So where is the appropriate place for questions of general interest to the community?

As my prior post on the subject has been censored, I'd really like to know where one finds information on active, scripted, objects that are being propogated through the world at a speed and altitude difficult to find, let alone track. Particularly when the owner of the objects in question declines to respond to PMs and IMs.

I will take the locking of the thread as an indication that such conduct is permitted although questions about such conduct are not. I'm so glad we've returned to "politburo watching" in order to find the applicable rules of SL.

Finally, the editor's pen is a powerful tool. If you are going to alter the words in my postings, please indicate that you've done so. Or delete my thread in its entirety if it offends your sensibilities. To edit without indication is to have put words into my "mouth" which is rather impolite.

...or you could read the sticky about naming names and understand why.

and where do you get off demanding anything from any member of the community? sheesh, people are so fscking uptight.

I guess gone are the days when you could have free roaming birds flying the world and such. After all, it could be a laaaaaag inducing nefarious land scanner!

If I were he, I wouldn't answer to you or any other pitchfork wielder anyway. Well, except perhaps to tell you to go **** yourself. If you want to address people, go ask them privately rather than scream for them to come answer your call and explain themselves in public. And if you do and they still don't answer, perhaps take the hint that, like me, they don't think it's your business and don't care what you think?

Kris,

I always love your replys... will you marry me?

But I did ask privately and wasn't even told to go **** myself. A visible bird is a very different creature than fast moving, high altitude object of mysterious provenance. And the last time such was done it was for a nefarious purpose.

No, no one owes anyone any explanations, which is why I shan't explain myself should I decide that your land is a fine place for my experiments. Thanks for the tip.

lol! "hi! you're a bitch! will you marry me?"

Sorry. I'm taken

You won't get near it. You're banned from the sim

Ugh I agree completely with Malachi on this - the pattern of editing and locking threads regarding this topic has been pathetic. You have a player putting out thousands of invisible, scripted objects throughout the grid, and this is an issue that should be handled privately in an IM? That is complete and utter lunacy. Instead of wasting time editing threads asking for answers on this behavior, do something about the behavior - you don't give us the tools to handle this for ourselves, yet you won't handle it either. Malachi's questions are valid and deserve answers - from both the player doing this, and the Lindens for allowing it to continue.

War Is Peace!
Freedom Is Slavery!
Ignorance Is Strength!

The reply to the intial post here was disprectful and rude. I can't understand how it is that everyone doesn't put such posters on ignore.

The initial post was completely valid and was written in a respectful way. It's a huge conundrum that a member of SL can spam thousands of objects all over SL and yet we can't discuss it in a productive way.

My suggestion is to abuse report both the replies in this thread and the thousands of offending objects. Hopefully the Linden's will deal with both, eventually.

Did you see the post as it was originally written and titled? Or just picking up the pitchfork and joining the mob?

I would abuse report each object individually.. and if they got thousands.. thats thousands of abuse cases.. so you better get started. =) I wouldnt do that until you heard from the maker though.. thats just rude.

I have read all of the threads in question, yes. I am not joining a mob, I am speaking for myself. I don't very often disagree with you Kris, but here I do. We deal with enough problems with people spamming shit all over SL, lagging the fuck out of sims, leaving garbage all over land, etc. You have a player putting out thousands of objects, not a freaking bird flying from sim to sim. If he wants to do it over his own land, fine. When you involve the resources of other players, on the level that he has, it is a problem. You may not find it to be one, you may not care, I do.

Why would she care she hovers over her private island.

It appears that someone has tried several times to bring this issue to light. And a few times, the threads have been closed for various reasons (hijacks, whatever). Let the person speak. If nothing is really going on, the issue will die. If there is really something going on (something really big, some silly little thing, some cover-up, whatever), then let it take it's course.

As to naming names, well, that is a fine line. But if there are really, and honestly many invisible objects roaming/infecting the grid we should know about them. If the thread poster is full of hot air, then let the thread die.

WTF?

Not only was I agreeing with him, but also taking a jab at the latest turn in forum censorship (in a way that Mal would not only get, but find amusing)...

I'm glad I didn't go with my original plan of telling him:

"Supporters of Goldstein are seen as doubleplusungood, and are the notfriends of minitrue".

Siggy.
(Supporting Newspeak and the party since 1984)

So you asked him privately, didn't get a response, then decided to call him out on the forums? Now as much as I hate to admit agreeing with a poster in the previous thread, that is going directly against the recent naming names directive.

If it's that big an issue, just take it straight to the Lindens if a private resolution went nowhere.

If the forums are becoming too oppressive, then it would seem that the most productive solution would be to take these discussions to another, perhaps under-utilized forum. One that isn't within the control of the lindens, and where presumably names may be named, and incidents discussed.

It's too bad that there aren't any such places, as no one has ever bothered to put together a fansite, or SL-dedicated 3rd-party forum.

It appears that someone has tried several times to bring this issue to light. And a few times, the threads have been closed for various reasons (hijacks, whatever). Let the person speak. If nothing is really going on, the issue will die. If there is really something going on (something really big, some silly little thing, some cover-up, whatever), then let it take it's course.

As to naming names, well, that is a fine line. But if there are really, and honestly many invisible objects roaming/infecting the grid we should know about them. If the thread poster is full of hot air, then let the thread die.

The SLUniverse.com forums have been in existence since November of 2003 - and the site has a no censorship policy except in the case of RL information being posted about players. Thank you Unhygienix, your effort is duly noted

Forum censorship sucks. But, what are you gonna do. LL is located in the very heart of the Overly Politically Correct capital of the world. Exposure to that kind of environment slowly corrupts ones ability to distinguish what's real and what's not. It results in certain behaviors such as Igottathinklikealawyer Syndrome, and OmygodIamgonnabesuedifIsaythatphobia. Pity the poor Lindens, because they don't even know they need therapy.

Have you reported him and tried to invesitigate with Lindens in-game, first?

Uhm, Hiro? Did you mean to reply to a different post by chance?

Nope.

If you have a problem or concern with someone, the way to go about resolving it is first to try and resolve it with them personally, if that doesn't work, report it / ask a Linden for assistance.

I presume that you've never attempted the action you advocate, as people in this thread and others with many other issues of much greater consequence go either unanswered or get shrugged off with "sorry we are not able and/or willing to assist".

As a poster above notes, 'tis far easier to remove names from posts than to actually do something corrective in-game. In many cases, to all appearances the Lindens are actually unable to do things like find the source of a problem, or kill all entities of a self-replicating object even when they have accidentally "escaped" and the creator has asked Linden Lab for aid in helping kill the things they've accidentally unleashed.

Alas, it is also terribly unclear if sending out thousands of scripted objects across the world is a violation of today's rules. It wasn't a few months ago when someone was placing land scanners high above other people's property. If reprisals were made, we never knew about it; the offending *non-moving* objects were clearly not removed by the Lindens regardless of the disposition as they occassionaly still turn up. It was only through public pressure that the creator of the scanners was prompted to first say "I won't place anymore" and then more pressure to say "I'll take it down if you tell me where it is because I don't know where they are" and if memory serves, follow that with "nevermind, I'm not going to take them down, and resent people for making me do so". I'm sure someone will correct me if I got the tedious details wrong. To my recollection the community never received information as to whether this was permissable nor did LL remove any of the objects.

I'd love to go "through channels", but I cannot even get to 400m without seeking out a device to do so, and then of course, writing a script to detect a fast moving object at such altitude. I've also been lead to believe (I could be mistaken) that sensors are flakey at altitude. And even if I feel like policing thirteen million cubic meters of airspace above one sim, the sensor needed to find fast moving objects has to scan so rapidly as to be deleterious to all in that sim. So how am I to even snag one of these in order to report it properly "through channels"? Furthermore, as noted above, I don't even have any indication as to whether such an attempt is permissable or will get me suspended for "unauthorized use of a scanner on someone else's land" or "disorderly conduct" or "scanning at altitude". Best of all, since the creator's name has been removed from almost every post on the subject, if someone were now interested in hunting these things down, they'd not even have all the information they needed.

I think that's called "closing the barn door after the horses have gotten out"

On a related note, nice to have that sort of control over what people can place over *your* land, eh?

Note: the above is typically used to indicate sarcasm (which would mean that I haven't placed self-replicating objects there) or smug self-satisfaction (which would mean that I have). My alts have been conspicuously silent on the subject, though.