Frustrated with Tolkien's story

Alright!!! Who re-animated Tolkien? I know it was one of you so you might as well just admit!

I think there was an interview somewhere with Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh.. I think they said something about the Eagles not wanting to directly interfere with the ring or something like that, it might be on the extended DVD's, possibly on the commentary which'll be awful to go through, but I'll give it a listen and come back if I find out.. But theres also the fact Gandalf can't possess the ring to tide you over..

I was disappointed at the end when Frodo survived. I thought the ending would have been far more poignant if he and Gollum both tumbled into the lava.

Then again, I think it would have been nice if Tolkien had been pitched into the lava too.

Ok.. it was Philippa Boyens talking on the audio commentary for The Fellowship Of The Ring for the extended DVD after Peter Jackson said he'd always wondered why they didn't fly to mount doom on the eagle.. And its not very clear.. But basically Tolkein did give a very specific reason why they couldn't do that, then she said something about them not wanting to be taxi's of middle earth and that they're own race and not nessesarily part of that world, and then about them doing things ONLY for very specific reasons..

Not very clear but supposedly, he gave a reason...

God I'm such a geek for remembering that..

If I remember correctly, in the book when the eagle king rescues Gandalf from the tower at Orthanc he says he's doing it because he owes Gandalf a personal favor and he isn't really too happy about it. The eagles are a proud bunch who don't have a personal stake in who wins the war and tend to mind their own business and as the previous poster said, they don't like being treated as a taxi service.

It would certainly have been more efficient to get Frodo to ride an eagle into Mordor but it's stongly implied in the book that it would have been pretty much impossible to convince them to do this if they didn't feel like it. I guess when they rescued Frodo and Sam at the end it was because they happened to feel like doing it.

I disagree.

Dieing is easy.

Living on after what Frodo went through is not, which was the point.

why didn't they ride the eagles to mordor in the first place? cause it would have been a short shitty story. nuff said.


don't feel bad. they're smooth like Barbie and Ken.

Did anyone else try reading LoTR and get bored part-way through the first book, then give up? I did. And I LIKED the Hobbit. But three full books of that stuff was too much. X.x

Yes you are taking it the wrong way

Ananda > Your short movie makes me laugh each time. Very cool!

Radagast The Brown was the wizard Gandalf met along the way. He had reports from a flock of birds (Jackson & Crew turned this on its head by having the birds spying on the fellowship in the movie). Radagast was one of two wizards not in attendance of the convening of the Wizards Council/Conclave, being renown for preferring the company of the animals to that of most all else.

Gwaihir (Sindarin: Wind Lord) and his kin were distant from the war and its politics in general, more aloof even than the elves. It was, as someone else states, a personal favor called in by Gandalf that had him rescued from the White Tower by Gwaihir himself and later, to retrieve Sam and Frodo from the slopes of Mount Doom as it would be impossible for anyone but them to reach them in time.

The Lord of The Rings itself was written in high epic style, intentionally archaic and, as an example of that style alone, it is particularly excellent. By notable contrast, The Hobbit was written as a child's story and reads much differently.

At essence, most of Tolkien's tales were meant to serve as the history and mythos required to support the variety of languages he created. He found they were lacking in depth without culture and history to 'fill them out'.

I re-read the work about once a year and have yet to do so without finding another aspect of the construction to admire, and this without delving into the linguistic aspects of his work.... yet.

I got bored halfway through Return of the King, it was just too much filler stuff... I kept falling asleep.

I tried! *cries*

Radagast was going to make an appearance in the movie - his lines were dropped - but by dumpster diving I was able to retreive a scrap of the old script... wiping off the banana juice and cat droppings, I was able to make out the following:

Radagast: What do you mean 'The brown?' sounds a lot like 'the shit' to me! Wtf can't I be the green or something?

Saruman: Because your the brown, now STFU. Gandalf - your 'the grey'..

Siggy.

I am sorry. Time for some one to take me out back and whip me. mmmmmmmmm I mean ouch!!!!!!!!!!!

The Brown: Hay Grey how about we change names.
The Grey: ya ok what ever
Saruman: No you are The Brown and he is the The Gray no changing names.
The Brown: But it soulds like shit man
Saruman: Ya and you smell like shit to so shut up!

Nope I wanted more and more and more. But I am a freak!

Someone's into BSD... *ahem* Another question: Whence from came the Balrog anyway (the ancient demon)?? Who birthed it?

Yep my wife ties me up at least one a week and whips me. Any one that has read my post about Mac know why. I am a ass.



Who birthed any demon? Another Demon. But that gets us to the problem with the egg. Chicken or the egg came first? Tell me that and I will tell you who the Balrog’s mommy is.

The Rooster came first...which is why there are baby chicks. Prolly the same for deamons...

A Demon is Asexual. When it has stored up Souls it will then let the souls go in a form of osmoses.

Unless you are of the Ninja Sex Demon group then they are every sexual. La Blue Girl any one?

Dunno, but I believe it was ancient elvish for 'Bouncer'

/me puts on the übergeek cap.

The Balrog was a Maiar, a kind of angelic spirt. These spirits, collectively called the Ainur are said to have come from the thoughts of Illúvatar, the God-figure of Middle-Earth. Some of the Ainur chose to enter the physical world to help or harm it. They are divided into the Valar, roughly archangels, and the lesser Maia (pl.) though the use of "angel" is only for analogy and not meant literally. These beings are as close to a pantheon as Middle-Earth gets.

Some of the the Maia were seduced by the satanic Melkor, also known as Morgoth, an Ainu who had been favored by Illúvatar and later rebelled. Of these traitor Maia the greatest was Sauron and among them were many who took the form of fiery demons and became the Balrogs. Most were destroyed at the end of the First Age but a few escaped, among them the one who became known as the Balrog and who was defeated by Gandalf.

It is believed the Wizards, among them Radagast, Saruman, and Gandalf are incarnated Maia as well. So you see, when Gandalf confronted the Balrog he had reason to be afraid. Here was a creature who was his equal and perhaps even stronger.

I've read them all about 15 times I think..once every couple of years. They are examples of wonderful storytelling and herioc fiction at it's best, and Tolkien created a world with such a depth of history and detail, that the books stand as classics among classics.

Can't believe this is the same Aragorn *blush!*

Warning: an extremely steamy picture follows the link...shows some skin

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(I hope I don't get banned for this)

Them Noldorean elvish women got them Numenorean Kings of Men in trouble so many times....