Frustrated with Tolkien's story

I mean Lord of the Rings, of course. It could have been so much simpler if Gandalf, the all powerful wizard, got his wonderful eagle friends to whisk him away to Mount Doom...he could have safely dropped it into the lava and just as easily gotten away...! AAGH! No lives would have had to be lost, no innocence shattered.
Another thing I don't get is how come he can't use his staff in battle?? Would've been so much easier. *sigh*

Maybe 'cos he'd look too much like Yoda, and thus copyright infringement would begin and Tolkien and Lucas would be at each other's throats.

It's because even Gandalf, who wasn't really human at all, but a sort of demi-god, would fall under the sway of the ring if it was in his possession for too long. He knew this, and knew that with his powers, he would be very dangerous to the world if turned to the dark and evil path. And so he let fate direct who would be the ring bearer, and knew that hobbits had a very, very high resistance to such corrupting magic.

Yes..I'm part nerd...

*geek hat on*

Gandalf cannot possess the ring...eventually it would have consumed him and he would have become even more evil and powerful than Sauron...much like the argument Galadrial gives in the movies as to why she couldn't take the ring.


My question:
Why did the 9 wraiths flee from Aragorn in the first movie/book after injuring Frodo? The Witchking fronted Gandalf in the last movie/book and blew his staff apart, why were all 9 (or maybe 6, in that instance) afraid of a sole ranger with an unmagical sword?

In the first Movie the wraths are not up to full strength.

If you read the books you will find out that he really was not a friend of the bird. He was called to the tower, the person who told him to go to the tower was the other Mage in the order (there was 3) he was a master of animals. This unseen Mage from the books was the person intone with the Animals. Also as was stated before, if any one touched the ring they would be corrupted. Something about hobbits made them more resistant to the corruption but in the last part you can see even they are not free of it.

ROFL Funny!

Making the 3 movies the way you wanted it.

Movie one: Finder of the Ring
Gandalf: let me see that!
Gandalf: mmmmmmmmmmm not good sit over there you Habbit.

Movie two: Flyer of the ring
Gandalf lets go my friend and fly fast!

Movie three: Destruction of the ring
Shit I dropped it. Oh wait it went in to the lava good lets go home and smoke some more good habit smoke.

We could cut down each more to 5 min. Wow 3 movies in 15 min. Ya that would have been fun. LOL!!!

OK I am a smart ass but hay it was fun

I understand now. Wow thanks...never thought of that...hobbits being very special to the story... And yes I read the books...well, have 1 1/2 to go Does anyone like the Silmarillion by the way? It's awesome, like the bible of LOTR

If you are so smart and know then why ask the question?

I am taking it you are being a smart ass to me. If I am taking it the wrong way I am sorry.

Eh?

One other point

They had to sneak it into Mordor. If they had taken Eagles, Sauran would have seen them. He was expecting them to do soemthing like that.

One of the pivetal points was that giving the ring to a Hobbit was the most unlikely thing they could have done, therefor the least likely thing Sauran would be looking for.

Also, there were more than 3 wizards, but only three were named in the books. There was a wizard for each of the colors, the White Wizard being the most powerful and leader of the Order.

Lupo was right, the Nazgul were not at full strength yet. They were far from Mordor and their master and Aragorn attacked them with fire. Fire could burn them and without their robes and armor they were nothing but shadows.

I thought there was more but because I could not remember any more ever talked about I just talked about the 3. ((Side note I couldn’t even remember there names but then again I was having sex with my “FB” for 4 month before I could remember her name, oh and she became my wife. LOL))




Thank you!
I thought the fire was part of it but could not remember so I left that part out.

Because under the strain and exertion of fighting the lot of them, he farted.

The stanky funk overpowered them and they had to flee.

Siggy.

It was 6, and they were in a place of old magic, and used torches to keep them at bay until they could run (in the book). They never really drove them off, but were able to send a few (3 I think) back to Sauron to gain new vessels for their essence. Fire and even mortal damage can destroy the ringwraith's bodies, but not their eveil essence.

P.S. They should have talked Tom Bombadil(sp?) into taking the ring, but I guess he would have gotten bored and distracted...

Hmm..Ragabast the brown...or something like that.

BRILLIANT

omg, I have tears in my eyes from watching that... seriously, Frodo could have rode on the back, and dropped the damn ring in there. Or Gandalf could have just dropped Frodo in... either way, happy ending!

The most frustrating thing for me in the movies was the lack of elf nudity.

The smart money would be on Lucas in that battle. I don't care if he hasn't even thought of exercise in years.....how good a shape do you need to be in to beat a guy that's been dead for over thirty years..... or were you speaking figuratively?

I had this saved - wish I could site the source... (Long Post)

[At Bilbo's 111th Birthday]
Merry: "Omg, I pwn"
Pippin: "Sif, I pwn"
**Rocket goes off
Gandalf: "Pwned!"

Bilbo: "This = shiz, bai foos"
Bilbo has left the server
Frodo: "***!?"

[later, in Bag End]
Gandalf: "Give teh ringz0r to Frodo"
Bilbo: "Sif! It r precious!"
Gandalf: "STFU NOOB!!!"
Bilbo: "ok"
Gandalf has logged on as admin
Bilbo has been kicked from The Shire

**Later
Gandalf: "Show me teh ring, foo!"
**Gandalf rides out, does some research, comes back
Gandalf: "OMGZ, it R teh ring!"
Frodo: "***?"
Gandalf has logged on as admin
Frodo has been kicked from The Shire
Sam has been kicked from The Shire

[At Isengard]
Gandalf: "sup dawg, i r g4nd4lf da gr3y!"
Saruman: "Foo! U R teh noob!"
Gandalf: "***?!"
Saruman: "Sauron pwns joo!"
Gandalf: "Sif, I R leet"
**Sarumon beats the **** out of Gandalf
Saruman: "Pwned!"

[on the road to Bree]
Merry: "look foos, shrooms!"
Pippin: "Woot! Shrooms!"
Frodo: "Ph34r!"
Sam: "Shrooms!"
Frodo: "PH34R!1!1"
**black rider stops, sniffs, goes past
Frodo: "OMG, packetloss!"

[Bree, in the Inn of the Prancing Pony]
**Frodo is drinking and dancing on a table, then slips
Frodo has left the server
Frodo has connected to the server
Frodo: "OMGz, dc'd"
Aragorn: "OMG, noobz"

[at Weathertop]
Merry: "Mmm, shrooms!"
**MERRY IS BROADCASTING HIS IP ADDRESS!!!
Frodo: "Foos! Ph34r teh haxorz"

**the black riders attack
Merry: "OMG!!!"
Sam: "O.M.G!!!11"
Pippin: "***"
Frodo has left the server
**head nazgul stabs Frodo's ghost
Frodo has connected to the server
Frodo: "***... hax!"
**Aragorn lraps into the fray with a flaming brand
Aragorn: "PH34r!!!!!!"
Merry: "LOLOL flamed! "

[on the road to Rivendell]
Aragorn: "ZOMG!Arwen!"
**Arwen rides up
Aragorn: "A/S/L? Wanna net secks?"
Arwen: "Sif! *** is up with Frodo?"
Sam: "teh leet Hax0r "
Arwen: "Firewall?"

**Arwen rides off with Frodo, the nazgul give chase. Arwen crosses the ford at Rivendell.
Arwen: "PH34R!! My dad pwns urs!"
**nazgul start to cross
Arwen: "LOLOLOLO noobs!!1!"
**the ford rises up and washes the nazgul away
Warning: Connection Problems Detected
nazgul has disconnected
nazgul has disconnected
nazgul has disconnected
nazgul has disconnected
nazgul has disconnected
nazgul has disconnected
nazgul has disconnected
Arwen: "Pwnt"

[at the Council of Elrond]
Gimli: "dwarves pwn!"
Legolas: "Sif, Elves pwn!"
Boromir: "OLOLOL noobs, men pwn!"
Elrond: "STFU tards!!1!"
**Frodo puts the ring on the plinth
Gimili: "Sif ring pwns all!"
**Gimli swings his axe at it, which shatters
Elrond: "**sigh, noob"

[Frodo meets up with Bilbo]
Bilbo: "OLOL, me = 10th level thief!"
Frodo: "OMG, u r teh pwn!"
Bilbo: "Do u still have teh ringz0r?"
**Frodo shows Bilbo the One Ring
Bilbo: "OMG u tard, I want to TK you!"
Frodo: "sif!"
Bilbo: "ph34r my mithril"

[The Fellowship leaves Rivendell]
**Gandalf leads the fellowship through the mountains
Legolas: "ZOMG, leet gfx!"
Gimli: "I R dropping frames! FFS"
**There's an avalanche which threatens to knock them off the shelf
Gimli: "Gandalf, teh draw distance is too far!1!!1"
Gandalf: "**Sigh. Moria?"
Gimli votes to change map to Moria
Votes 4 of 4 required
Legolas: "lolol Gimli, time to upgrade!"

[The fellowship approaches the gates of Moria]
Gandalf: "FFS, its too hard! Anyone got a walkthrough?"
**The gates of Mordor open, but the Guardian attacks!
Frodo: "OMG! ph34r!"
Boromir: "GL HF"
Aragorn [broadsword] guardian
Legolas [arrow] guardian
Gandalf: "gg"

[The fellowship enters the mines of Moria]
Gimli: "OMG!!!! PWNED!"

**After travelling some time in the dark the Fellowship come to a chamber with a large well
Gandalf: "teh bookz0r has some clues!"
**Merry knocks a skeleton in armour down the well
Gandalf: "OMG! noob!"
Merry: "d'oh"
**The fellowship hears the ork drums
Boromir: "***?"
Aragorn: "***?"
Frodo: "..."
Gandalf: "Oh ffs >.<"
**the fellowhip shores up the doors as the orks come
Boromir: "TEAMS FFS!"
Aragorn [broadsword] ork
Gimli [axe] ork
Legolas [arrow] ork
Aragorn [broadsword] ork
Aragorn [broadsword] ork
Boromir [broadsword] ork
Gimli [axe] ork
Gimli [axe] ork
ork: "OMG! h4x!"
Gimli: "pwned"!
Legolas [arrow] ork
Legolas [arrow] ork
Legolas: "lol!!"
Boromir [broadsword] ork
Gimli [axe] ork
Gimli: "Foos!"
Legolas [arrow] ork
ork: "ffs, wallhax!"
**The cavetroll enters the chambers destroying the doors
Gandalf: "Oh ffs!"
Boromir: "Omg, its teh boss!"
Aragorn: "Sif noob, we're not at teh end yet!"
**Cavetroll slams Boromir and Aragorn out of the way, and then skewers Frodo
Sam: "OMG!"
Gandalf: "OMG!"
Aragorn: "omg, pwn!"
**Legolas jumps on the cavetroll and shoots arrows down into its head
Legolas [arrow] cavetroll
Ork: "OMG! PWNED!"
Gimli: "LOLOOLOL! noobs"
**The fellowship then runs through Moria, chased the whole way by a horde of orks
Boromir: "FFS! Teams, foos!"
**A flaming shadow starts to follow them, and the orks withdraw
Aragorn: "Now THIS is teh boss!"
Gandalf: "OMG!"
**The fellowship take to long flights of stairs that are starting to crumble and fall. Orks shoot at them with arrows.
Legolas: "LOL, noobs. Chex0r this out!1!"
Legolas [arrow] ork
Legolas [arrow] ork
ork: "AIMBOT!"
ork: "turn it off!"
Legolas: "lolol!"
**The fellowship crosses a bridge, Gandalf stops to confront the balrog
Gandalf: "joo shall not pass!"
Balrog: "***?"
Gandalf: "JOO SHALL NOT PASS!"
Balrog: "Sif, noob"
**Gandalf strikes the bridge with his staff, cracking it and causing it to break under the Balrog's weight
Balrog: "ZOMG! PWNED!"
Frodo: "OMG! Gandalf!"
**The Balrog falls and in a last act of defiance strikes out with its whip, entangling Gandalf
Gandalf: "D'oh"
Frodo: "OMG, joo foo!"
Gandalf: "fly u foos, fly!"
**Gandalf lets go and follows the Balrog into the crevass
Gandalf has left the server
Balrog has disconnected

[After escaping Moria the fellowship finds itself in Loth Lorien]
**The fellowship rests, and in the night Frodo speaks with Galadriel
Galadriel: "For a noob, u r teh leet!"
Frodo: "Sif. I don't want teh ringz0r. Do u want teh ringz0r?"
Galadriel: "******! SIF I want teh ringz0r. I have enough h4x of my own!1"

[The fellowship leaves Loth Lorien and sets out via river]
Saurman: "ph34r my army of uruk hai! Go outz0r, find teh hobbitz and pwnz0r them!"
uruk hai: "leet!"

[stopping at the banks of the river, the Fellowship sets up camp]
**Frodo goes off looking for firewood, Boromir follows and confronts him
Boromir: "Gimmie teh ringz0r so ** hax can fight teh boss!"
Frodo: "Sif, foo. Punkbuster will pwn joo!"
Boromir: "Naw, we play on non-pb servers"
Frodo: "STFU noob"
Frodo has left the server
Boromir: "***! FRODO! Bring teh ringz0r back, faghat!"

**A group of Uruk Hai encounter Boromir
Boromir: "OH FFS, TEAMS!!"
Uruk Hai [arrow] Boromir
Uruk Hai [arrow] Boromir
Uruk Hai [arrow] Boromir
Uruk Hai [arrow] Boromir
Uruk Hai [arrow] Boromir
Uruk Hai [arrow] Boromir
Uruk Hai [arrow] Boromir
Uruk Hai [arrow] Boromir
Boromir: "****ing campers"
**Aragorn comes across the battle
Aragorn: "Boromir joo noob! ***!"
Uruk Hai: "Hah, pwn!"
Aragorn [broadsword] Uruk Hai
Aragorn: "I bring joo teh pwn!"
**Aragorn goes to Boromir
Boromir: "Damn lag!"
Warning: Connection problems detected
Boromir has disconnected
Aragorn: "FFS!"

[Frodo returns to the bank of the river where he gets into a boat. Sam 'sees' him]
Sam: "Frodo! ***! Invisibility h4x!"
Frodo has connected to the server
Frodo: "Sam, STFU and FOAD!"
Sam: "Sif!"
Frodo: "Oh, ffs n00b!"

3Nd!!!!11

Nah, lightsabres are useless against the undead.

Unless they are vorpal.

Undead are immune to critical hits, and thus immune to the vorpal enchantment.

On the original topic, The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales pretty much explains it all. Gandalf is a Maia, a sort of "angel" sent by the Valar, who are sort of the "gods" of the world of Middle Earth. So were Saruman and Radagast, the "animal-wizard" friend of the eagle mentioned earlier. Gandalf was a Christ-like figure, a divine being taking on a mortal-like existence, subject to "temptation", who died and was reborn in LotR. Frodo was also Christ-like, carrying the "burden" and making all kinds of sacrifices. (Tolkien was a devout Catholic.)

The Valar charged Gandalf to work under all kinds of restrictions, as gods often do in old Anglo-Saxon mythic tales. So while he was immortal and had certain godlike knowledge and powers, he also had many mortal limitations. (Again, like Christ.) Although he moves events in Middle Earth, much of what goes on is outside his power, and some of what goes on is outside his understanding. When he is reborn after his fight with the Balrog in Moria, however, he has better powers and comprehension.

As far as Aragorn goes, the Valar were smiling on him and showing him favor all through LotR (at least in the books). The Witch King and the other ring wraiths fled from him on Weathertop not necessarily because of the fire, but because they lived mostly in the supernatural world, and recognized that this mere mortal man had the Valar's favor.