I suck at math

And I failed algebra twice.

Can someone please tell me how many prims will be allowed on a plot of land 800 sq meters?

Anybody?

A sim is 65536 sq meters total

Having 800 meters of a sim means you have 0.01220703125 or about 1.22 % of the sim. To get that I just divided 800 by 65536.

So having the percentage we can find the number of prims: multiply the percentage by the current prim limit of 10000. The result is 122.0703125.

So roughly 122 prims.

122? Great, ok that settles it. I'm out. No way am I buying up 3 times the land I have to have a sparesly furnished box.

And I'm very not interested in having an empty box.


Lindens, you lost one. WTG

I kind of thought you might respond that way Jellin. Sorry to hear your frustrations about this

Jellin it seems that you'll be able to buy extra land with L$ also (judging from cory's post in "Summary of discussions and updates in 1.2", so don't quit yet.

I can't afford to buy up 3 times what I have now. Not that I could buy in the M rated sims cause they're already full.

My club is not wasteful of prims. I kept it light. A few couchs, a pool table, some plants and pictures and records on the walls. That's it, but it seems I'll need like 2400 sq meters to support that.

Any new sim that opens, I won't be able to afford to buy land, not in $L or RL$. At this point, there's no point to playing for me.

And I really don't want to spend more than the $15 a month I spend now.

Ah i see,

It seems this is one of the major draw backs of the cap on objects, alot of talented builders who use alot of prims on a small amount of land get screwed. I don't know how I'll be effected prim wise, I dread math and dread even more counting every prim I'm currently using, however I'm not real worried because I'm a lifer and get a big free plot. But I still may and proby will be effected by this down the road.

This doesn't mean I'm not worried or upset about how the cap will effect others right now.

All I do in-world is build.

122 prims is enough for a nice house.

Also, keep in mind that the prim limits will be, I think, UPPED in 1.2, due to rendering code being tweaked. So you'll get more than 122 prims.

LF

I'd love (but don't expect) a Linden to reply directly to my concerns.

Hey Jellin,

I've not seen your place, but I'll be sure to check it out now. I think there has got to be a way to use your allocation of prims and still get what you want from it.

I wasn't too happy about this announcement last night either, but I'm going to do the 'wait and see' thing.

Find me IW and we can talk about ways to squeeze more life from each prim!!

For the $15 you spend now, you get 1/32nd of a sim, plus the 1/64th you get for being in the transition. This means you get 2600 square meters - so without changing at all how much you are paying for SL, you get more than you need - which you quoted at 2400 sq m.

So you don't need to spend more maoneu to enjoy SL the same way you are enjoying it now.

This is a big change, and a bit confusing, so before people freak out, look at the numbers, LL wants to keep us all happy, it looks like they tried to make it so most of us can keep playing SL the way we have.

bbc

You miss the point.

Not only is the money an issue, but ther isn't that much free land in Da Boom anyway, even if Jellin could afford it!

Let me know when there's an M rated sim with that much land availible to buy, in a good location. I won't be holding my breath.

It seems they will be adding several new sim's, they will be auctioned most likely though.

Your best chance would probly be if someone moved out of Da Boom rather than you moving into a new sim.

This equals to 1/64th of a sim, or 1024m^2 (a 32x32 parcel). With the current prim limit, that would allow you 156 prims at no monthly cost. Now consider you want to continue investing the 15$ per month you're currently paying for your SL access. That'd get you another 1/32th of a sim, or 2048m^2, allowing you an additional 312 prims.

So in summary, you get 3072m^2 of land and 468 prims for the same price you're currently paying. Compare that to your current land and prim numbers.

Jellin, we don't know yet how much land will cost. I've been told by several Lindens there's a *lot* of land waiting to be put online once 1.2 kicks in.

If I'm figuring this right, you can go up to 3072 m2 (and 468 prims) without going over your current $15 per month. If that's not enough, I'm willing to kick in some of my allocation and/or cash to keep the Club around.

Please don't be in a hurry to leave, Jellin. Even in the worst case, if 1.2 turns out to be intolerable, let's enjoy the current system while it lasts.

Oz, your signature seems especially appropriate just now.

Jellin, good luck whatever you decide, but stay if you can afford to. I'd like to be in a position to offer help, but I have over my allocation already (even with Julia to share it with)...

Liberty, Sio, I really appreciate what you're saying. Thank you. But there just isn't that much land availible to buy to get my prim coverage.

New sims? They've been hinting at that forever. Maybe if they stopped the coy act and tell us, I'd feel different.

I won't be able to move to a new sim. Even -if- some are M rated. Why? I can't spend $L20,000 or however much RL$ they'll be asking. My only hope would be that ALL my neighbors move out! HAH!

Are you sure? I now that DaBoom is at 100% on object usage, but it's not at 100% on land usage, is it? And I haven't seen anything to indicate that your land ownership has to be a continguous, all-in-one plot; you just need to own a certain percentage of the land.

Let's find out, next time we're in-world. If there's 1800 m2 free *anywhere* in DaBoom, grab it now, and you should be covered when 1.2 arrives.

What I've heard has been much stronger than vague hints. It sounds like they're going to be putting new sims online when they transition to the new system, and they've announced the intention to expand the world 32 sims at a time -- this first expansion could almost double the amount of land available.

One more point I dont think I saw here Jellin.

Prim caps will be going up to 15000 as well so even with just your 1024M you'll get 234 Prims.
I'm no Uber-builder but your club can survive on that I bet.
I'd be glad to make a auto-handout thing for drinks, ciggys, whatever... as long as they're attached items on your customers they aren't your prims

And yes there will be more sims. I'm betting lots... if you're ever bored and have a Lindens card, track 'em... they wander around all over places that aren't *yet* on the map

my $.02
hope ya stay

UU

I'm not sure that you need to freak out, Jellin....


I didn't evalute Da Boom indepth, but I did check out hawthorne.


There are VAST tracks of underwater land avaliable.

IIRC, Da Boom is similar.


Your land doesn't need to be contiguous, and I doubt that our prim allocation is based upon have contiguous land.


You could keep your 800 sq.m plot, and buy an additional 1800 sq.m. randomly, leaving it empty, giving yourself a guarantee as to how many prims you will need.

Heck, you could even lease off the excess land, with the warning that no prims are avaliable for the leasee (basically restriciting its usage to those who want nearly empty land, or who control lots of land in the sim).

Note: This works out to your advantage, either way.

Two scenarios:
A) You don't pay ANYTHING to the lindens. You get 1024 sq.m. land, free (after all you are a grandfathered v1.1 secondlifer). You only get 125 prims.
B) You pay $15/month to the lindens. You get the rights to 1024+2048=3096 sq.m. of land. You also get the rights to 375 prims.

Is that enough?

You can also have two levels of inbetween,
2048 sq.m. of land for $9/month (250 prims)
or
1548 sq.m. of land for $5/month

Also remember that with Havoc 2 they will be upping the prim limits--->

1024 sq.m. of land, with 250-375 prims? For free?

Thats a large possibility, and would mean that you don't have to pay ANYTHING to the lindens.

Cool, eh? I think this works out well for everyone, if you sit down and think about it in a serious format.


Plus, the other benefit is that if lots of people decide to pay lots of money to linden labs, they will put up more servers/sims

I could be wrong but I really don't think you're required to own all the land you are allowed, nor is your prim usage tied to the land you own, only the land you're allowed. If you have 1/16 of a sim coming to you based on what you pay I think you get 1/16 of a sim worth of prims whether you put them on a 4x4 square of land or spread them over a whole 1/16.

Additionaly, they've said they will adjust people's personal object limits based on the amount of Linden owned unbuildable land in a sim. For instance, if half of a sim is Linden owned the residents would get twice as many prims there. Linden owned land doesn't count against the object limit

So, Jellin, if your monthly fee entitles you to 1/32 of a sim (just an example) I don't think you'll have to run out and buy all that land just to use your full allowance of prims. If your current prim usage doesn't go over what will be allowed by the amount of land your current monthly fee will allow then nothing changes and you're sitting pretty.