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SL attraction to non-believers

Neehai Zapata
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03-26-2005 13:55
58% of the people who play SL and post on the message boards are cool.

Believing in god is not cool.

58% of the people who play SL and post on the message boards do not believe in god.

This is not a statement of fact, just a hypothesis.
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03-26-2005 14:03
From: Billy Grace
oooo... good job Roseann... I voted in this one and it is the one I remembered.

59.12% of respondents answered the question "Do you believe in God?" No.

That seems to be pretty much along the line that I believe is still true.


59% doesn't really count...unless everyone in the forums posted a reply and then still the forums arent an accurate representation of in SL in world.
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03-26-2005 14:05
From: Akuma Withnail
This is the off-topic forum and so it seems to me to be a perfectly appropriate place to discuss religion, or politics. I know that there are many forums on the internet where one can go to discuss these things in particular but I believe that the sl forums offer a certain sense of community between people with a wide divergence of opinion who might not have otherwise come together or thought to discuss some of the topics that come up here had they gone to a more specific forum.

TY Aku, I totally agree.

From: Alan Palmerstone
The forums are a completely different game than SL - they just share the same name and, I believe, has only about 10-20% of the same players.

Most of the people playing the SL forums are vocal and opinionated. They are just itchin' for a fight, regardless of the topic.

If you applied the question to politics/taxes/sexuality, you would probably find the same about of signal to noise ratio that you see regarding religion.

Frankly, this forum is not the place for discussions of those topics, because we all end up getting covered in mud. And, by association, so does the rest of the SL community. All SL needs is a bunch of people basing their opinions of the entirety of SL on 30 or 40 forums denizens that like to opine (myself included).

So we get questions like yours that say that a disproportionate amount of SL players do not believe in God. What the hell does one's religion have to do with a video game? If you are so almighty concerned about this, I suggest learning to get along with folks who don't think like you, or go to the Christian Gamer's Alliance.
Alan, if you do not want to discuss my topic how about trying something weird... like NOT CLICKING ON, READING AND RESPONDING TO THE THREAD if it doesn't interest you. Funny how you don't think this thread should be here yet feel some uncontrollable need to make a post expressing your opinion. As evidence, it must have been interesting to you since you felt strongly enough to post.

You really should go back and read what I said too. I clarified that I was talking about "SL forum posters", not SL as a whole. How about reading and responding to what was actually said before throwing darts at it.
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03-26-2005 14:10
From: daz Groshomme
well, maybe because people with the curiosity to want to create and explore a new world full of posibilities are more likely to question antiquated, bigoted, psuedo-historical mostly non-scensical documents that are so riddled with inconsistancies that the same religion is so vastly different from one group to the next to the point where each version of the religion spawns sects that want to literally kill the other sects...yeah...

but that is just RELIGION, God is a whole other thing, God doesn't create religion, man does, and man is flawed therefore religion is flawed. I would say a majority of s/l residents have a spiritual connection to a creator, perhaps something we might consider God, perhaps we understand God more than the masses as we have a world that emulates a world created by a divine being....

The question was not about religion daz. Please read the thread starter before comemnting.
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03-26-2005 14:16
From: Talen Morgan
59% doesn't really count...unless everyone in the forums posted a reply and then still the forums arent an accurate representation of in SL in world.

Well, it counts as a statistical analysis with a margin of error. I am not a statician but if there is one here that could comment I'd bet that the standard of deviation would no where near allow a swing from 59% to say 6%.

Sure it counts unless you do not believe in statistics. 137 votes seems like a whole lot to me and a very good representational statistical base for a pretty accurate poll.
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03-26-2005 14:30
From: Billy Grace
Well, it counts as a statistical analysis with a margin of error. I am not a statician but if there is one here that could comment I'd bet that the standard of deviation would no where near allow a swing from 59% to say 6%.

Sure it counts unless you do not believe in statistics. 137 votes seems like a whole lot to me and a very good representational statistical base for a pretty accurate poll.


if it were 137 votes on whether or not you logged into SL today then yeah I would agree...but 137 out of how many posters? ...on a topic that is very personal where some may not even vote because they don't care to discuss their religious affiliations on a forum.

The poll also depends on the questions asked....there may not have been a checkbox there that accurately described many peoples spititual beliefs.

And again the forum represents a small part of SL.
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03-26-2005 14:34
I'll take a shot at it.

I think any poll taken here is representative of a small fraction of the SL community and not 'America' in general.

Polls taken by news agencies and the like are probably carefully selected to include a wide sampling of households across the country. My guess is that the more you sampled large urban metro centers, the higher the % of 'non-believers'. That is not to say that there aren't plenty of believers in metro areas.

I'm betting that a large % of SL's players are found within a large urban center and any poll taken of forum participants is subject to that.

I think if you're going to form a poll instead of asking 'Do you believe in god?', one should ask: 'How would you describe yourself, spiritually?' and have 3 simple choices: believer (in a specific entity', agnostic, and athiest. If you add in 'god', you lose responses from those who worship another higher power.

So, there you have it. My $.02.
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03-26-2005 14:35
From: Talen Morgan
if it were 137 votes on whether or not you logged into SL today then yeah I would agree...but 137 out of how many posters? ...on a topic that is very personal where some may not even vote because they don't care to discuss their religious affiliations on a forum.

The poll also depends on the questions asked....there may not have been a checkbox there that accurately described many peoples spititual beliefs.

And again the forum represents a small part of SL.

It's statistics my man. The question was simplistic for sure but not confusing.

Do you believe in God? There were 2 boxes, yes and no. Pretty darn representational if you ask me and certainly statisistically valid. And if you look at most SL forum polls they don't get to 137 respondents. That is a very high turnout.
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03-26-2005 15:49
Well they way the question is worded agnostics really can't answer, and if they do then they would probably pick no.
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03-26-2005 15:56
Correct me if I am wrong but an agnostic would neither confirm nor deny the existence of God. An agnostic would not be able to say that they believe in God so at least in my mind, I would probably include agnostics in my original question.
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03-26-2005 16:03
From: Billy Grace
TY Aku, I totally agree.

Alan, if you do not want to discuss my topic how about trying something weird... like NOT CLICKING ON, READING AND RESPONDING TO THE THREAD if it doesn't interest you. Funny how you don't think this thread should be here yet feel some uncontrollable need to make a post expressing your opinion. As evidence, it must have been interesting to you since you felt strongly enough to post.

You really should go back and read what I said too. I clarified that I was talking about "SL forum posters", not SL as a whole. How about reading and responding to what was actually said before throwing darts at it.


I tried to answer your question. Sorry if you didn't like my answer, but i stand by it. It is asinine to even give a shit as to whether anyone who plays a freaking video game worships Jehovah, Ra, Scooby Doo or that really gnarly tree in the park. But since you can ask the question, I can offer up my answer. If you don't like it, DON'T ASK THE QUESTION.

And I did go back and you said "What I am interested in is what SL attracts a disproportionate amount of people who do not believe in God? "

You said SL in this sentence. I responded to it.

/throws dart
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03-26-2005 16:10
Billy, quit spamming the forums with all your religious garbage. (edited)

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03-26-2005 16:22
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Billy, quit spamming the forums with all your religious garbage. (eidted)

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Maybe you want to explain to the rest of us how this thread is "supposed" to convert anyone.

Don't like my question... it's simple... don't read it sweetie.

Take your intolerance, bullying tactics and hate mongering elsewhere.
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03-26-2005 16:25
From: Billy Grace
Don't like my question... it's simple... don't read it sweetie.
This is how the pious speak to women, by addressing them as "sweetie"?

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03-26-2005 16:31
*huddles in the corner sobbing* Sh... sh... she called me pious... bwaaaa
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03-26-2005 16:35
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Billy, quit spamming the forums with all your religious garbage. If you want to convert for your cause, go hand out copies of the Watchtower on the corner with the other Jesus freaks.

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IMO he is neither spamming or preaching in this thread but attempting to engage in dialog. That is what forums are for.
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03-26-2005 16:39
From: Akuma Withnail
IMO he is neither spamming or preaching in this thread but attempting to engage in dialog. That is what forums are for.


IMO, responding with "Alan, if you do not want to discuss my topic how about trying something weird... like NOT CLICKING ON, READING AND RESPONDING TO THE THREAD " when I did respond to his question is not a plea to exchange in dialog. I don't know what his motives were for asking the question, but it sure as hell wasn't dialog.

Anyway, Chip won the thread.
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03-26-2005 17:20
From: Alan Palmerstone
IMO, responding with "Alan, if you do not want to discuss my topic how about trying something weird... like NOT CLICKING ON, READING AND RESPONDING TO THE THREAD " when I did respond to his question is not a plea to exchange in dialog. I don't know what his motives were for asking the question, but it sure as hell wasn't dialog.

Anyway, Chip won the thread.


The gist of the post to which he responded with that was, as I understood it, not responding to his question at all but rather saying that he shouldn't have posed it in the first place and that he was somehow damaging the reputation of sl by doing so. Under those circumstances I don't see how else you could expect him to respond. Looking at most of his replies to other posters in this thread he certainly seems to be engaging in dialog with them.
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03-26-2005 17:21
From: Akuma Withnail
IMO he is neither spamming or preaching in this thread but attempting to engage in dialog. That is what forums are for.
In reference to spamming, how many active religious threads are there right now (five)? In reference to preaching, what was the purpose of the Cricifixion (sic) thread?

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03-26-2005 17:31
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
In reference to spamming, how many active religious threads are there right now (five)? In reference to preaching, what was the purpose of the Cricifixion (sic) thread?

~Ulrika~


What's wrong with discussing religion? I think it's fun sometimes. Do you admonish people for starting too many political threads? As for the purpose of the Cricifixion thread, I have no idea, it all sounded very heartfelt and sincere in a context I totally couldn't relate to so I got bored and stopped reading after a few paragraphs. Why don't you ask Billy?
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03-26-2005 17:36
Please refrain from personally attacking those who you don't agree with in the SL Forums. The direct attacks in this thread have been deleted and any further personal attacks will cause the thread to be closed. Feel free to have continuing to discuss this topic, but please do not resort to name-calling and other personal attacks in order to 'argue' for your side.
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03-26-2005 17:53
From: Akuma Withnail
The gist of the post to which he responded with that was, as I understood it, not responding to his question at all but rather saying that he shouldn't have posed it in the first place and that he was somehow damaging the reputation of sl by doing so. Under those circumstances I don't see how else you could expect him to respond. Looking at most of his replies to other posters in this thread he certainly seems to be engaging in dialog with them.


I guess we will just have to disagree about what my gist was.

The only rule he put forth was "Don't argue the existance of God," which I respected. After slapping me down, he didn't continue the dialog, so I am still thinking I am correct in my assessment.
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03-26-2005 18:04
From: Jeska Linden
Feel free to have continuing to discuss this topic, but please do not resort to name-calling and other personal attacks in order to 'argue' for your side.
Sorry. Religious topics get me all in a huff. I agree with your decision to edit those posts and I'll refrain from derogatory generalizations in the future. Thanks for all the hard work moderating the forums.

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03-26-2005 18:09
From: Billy Grace
The question was not about religion daz. Please read the thread starter before comemnting.


don't worry, i deleted my post, sorry to not be 100% accurate in my reply, I will remember to NOT reply to any of your questions in the future for fear of screwing up again.
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03-26-2005 18:38
Just for interest -

From the UK 2001 census, http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=293

71.6% Christian
0.3% Buddhist
1.0% Hindu
0.5% Jewish
2.7% Muslim
0.3% Other religion
76.8% Total religious

15.5% No religion
7.3% Not stated
23.2% Total no religion/not stated
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The notes say that that no religion included agnostics, atheists, heathens and those who wrote Jedi Knight.
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